[MoFA] An Olive Branch
Shoi12
Greetings eCanada! We (the head honchos…and I) just came out of discussions with eSpain regarding a peaceful withdrawal from our country. For the last few months, various leaders from both sides have been trying to sort out an acceptable deal that appeases both sides, so we can work towards a better tomorrow. (cheesy, I know, but go with it) However, we are not working for merely ourselves. We are doing this on behalf of eCanada, and its citizens. No deal that eCanada as a whole rejects can be carried out by the government, both morally and functionally. At the end of the day, we are one of you, trying our best to get this nation back to its days of might. Ahh, the good ol' days, fighting UK
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Anyway, nothing has been agreed upon. However, what progress was made was written up by the Spanish officials, and they put together a rough deal. There are some pros and some cons in this deal, but the bottom line is, we would get the majority of our regions back. Here is the basic guidelines for the deal:
NAP PROPOSAL
1-eSpain will have Newfoundland & Labrador, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Nova Scotia. eCanada will have the other nine regions.
2- Neither eSpain nor eCanada will fight on the resistance side in any RW on those four regions. eCanada will ask its allies not to fight for the resistance side.
3- All the regions will be back through RWs, no direct attacks. eSpain will coordinate the liberation of this regions through RWs.
4- This NAP is subject to monthly renewals by the CPs of both countries.
Some basic proofreading aside, this is exactly a carbon copy of what we received from the Spanish. Some basic rationale behind the deal:
This whole occupation, at least after the first few months, where bad blood and grudges played a role, is simply an occupation for resources. eSpain, through its other deals, has 80/100 bonuses, only missing cattle. As eCanada is rich with cattle, eSpain wishes to take one off our hands and maintain 100/100 bonuses. As the easternmost region with cattle is New Brunswick, that is eSpain's primary goal in the deals. Of course, they must connect up their regions in order to receive the bonuses, hence why eSpain desires Newfoundland and Labrador, as well as two regions, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward's Island, to secure the bridge, and ward off malicious intent. Of course, Quebec could also work, but being our only iron region, we decided to withdraw the province from discussions.
Obviously, the deal would require both nations to cooperate and secure eSpain's bonuses. The regions would be returned via RW in order to avoid any issues and chance for betrayal on both sides. It also prevents foreign nations to use their MPPs to influence the outcome.
And finally, the deal would be renewed monthly, or renegotiated if needed. This means that if the situation changes, we can always talk with eSpain for a better deal, or if it doesn't work, walk away.
Now, I won't try to sway you. But this is the future of your nation, eCanada. We will do what you want, but I want to tell you the obvious, and lay it out for you.
PROS
Obviously the main benefit of this deal is the land aspect. By accepting this deal, we regain nine of our long lost regions, all the way from Alberta to Quebec. Not all the land back, granted, but a decent majority of our territory will be back under the righteous flag of eCanada, and in actuality, we don't lose any bonuses in the deal.
Of course, with land back, the nation can pick up again. We can resume hiring younguns, bringing in foreigners, and hold congress. We can have a relatively stable existence in eCanada once more. Perhaps we can grow, and reverse the steady decrease in population, or at least battle the attrition of game mediocrity.
And of course, we have peace with eSpain. Compared with some of the other TWO nations, they're actually quite fond of CoT, despite the breakup. Perhaps a new beginning with eSpain would help foster the friendship between eSpain and CoT. It wouldn't hurt, at least.
CONS
However, there are also quite a few arguments against this deal, at least that I can think of. First is that we've been wiped for several months. Could we possibly hold out a bit longer, and see if there's a better option down the road? The eCanadian people are quite resilient, and it might not be too much of a stretch to hold out just a bit longer.
eCanada has also been known for being the one that fights the stronger power. Be it ePoland, eSpain, or at times even the eUSA, eCanada has never been one to roll over, and while there's certainly no intent of this coming across as a surrender, it unfortunately could nevertheless be misconstrued as such, both within our borders and outside. Perhaps the reputation doesn't matter, but it's worth at thought.
Next is a strategic disadvantage. Losing the four eastern regions doesn't cost eCanada any resources, but it sure limits eCanada's options. By ceding the territories to eSpain, we would only share borders with eSpain and eUSA. This means that unless we fight eUSA, backstab eSpain, or conjure up eGreenland, the only thing we can do is fight MPP battles, barring an airstrike.
And this leads to the next possible point. As you may have seen in eCanada, we have folks trying to lead a babyboom. Without any borders with enemy nations, perhaps we'd be safe, but the contrary is also true; we have no way to affect the greater world. Babybooms only work if the nations give the players something interesting and worth their time to do, and being sheltered in doesn't offer much room for babies to grow in.
Luckily, we are not being asked to pay a lump sum for our regions back. But the opposite will also be true. We would not be paid any rent for our regions. It will not be renting regions so much as ceding them to eSpain.
The treaty is renewed monthly, which gives us a chance to opt out if we so desire. This, of course, means, at least in theory, that the regions would be returned to us. However, that also eliminates the NAP, which means that eSpain could come in at any time to reconquer us. Essentially, we either decide to give up the regions or break the treaty, which may not look particularly favorable.
The last points are in reference to CoT, the alliance we (both eCanada and Asgard as a whole) are quickly warming up to. It may not look particularly good to CoT to have a TWO foothold in what would be a pro-CoT or CoT nation. It might add in a wrench into any negotiations we are having with CoT.
And would it be possible to get a better deal as we get closer to CoT? It's not as if we have MPPs and great relations with all the member nations yet. Could having better friendships with CoT result in us getting a better deal, either through diplomacy or other means?
There you have it, my two cents. Well, a nickel. Pennies don't exist, so how can I have two cents? Anyway, off topic. You've read the treaty, and read some basic analysis on it. Would you rather:
Option A: Reject the treaty, and fight the good fight (with a military mindset gov)
or
Option B: Take the nine regions, and negotiate the other regions some other time?
Spain is saying…
Deal? Or no deal?
Decide eCanada's Fate
Until next time, take care!
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No deal.
A tough decision, but then if it was easy it would have already been made.
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no deal
Option A: Reject the treaty, and fight the good fight (with a military mindset gov)
Im against any deal that strengthens a nation of TWO
any comments from CoT/USA about this proposal?
They have the regions already and if the US or CoT gave a crap they would of helped us free the regions already, but yeah, we should run the deal past the US and see what they say. Might prompt them to help us one way or another.
sure they do but with a NAP they no longer have to try and keep them
How hard are they really trying?
Why can't eSpain get the cattle region from an ALLY???
My guess is because this is easier and more fun for them. Oh, and actually it is the closest cattle region to them and the only one where they'd be facing only one RW.
We Have tried in the past, One example was the RW wars that freed some of the Canadian regions during the MU tournament. Our orders were set to those RWs for multiple days. Just saying, I, as well as many others i'm sure, do care. 🙂
I will be talking to the states this evening to get their input.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-2275713/1/20
Vote YES [✓] Canada!
Is this not the same deal we could of got 3 months ago?
no, they wanted cash and a cash bond held by a third party if we broke the NAP
Didn't they offer us that deal without the cash bond a month later?
Its the same deal Spain offered Rylde in first month of the war, though.
More like 6 months ago then.
This is actually very similar to the one we got 5-6 months ago and is the first one not asking for gold/money or monthly rent
This is the same deal we got. We said fight on.
not according to the CP you worked for, such a troll UB, such a troll....
Haters gonna hate.
The deal seems fair, ask rent for cattle region 😛
We could take the deal until such time as Spain enters a real war then not renew it. Unless Spain is busy we have no chance of winning an RW any way, so we really are giving up nothing for the regions. If we do win one, they just NE us any way.
Crisfire is right, before we do any thingt, we should see what the eUS administration thinks.
The states will be talked to tonight. Our real options are to make the deal and get 9 land now and try for something better down the road or to stay wiped and hope RW's eventually work.
I have plans if this is rejected but so did the last few CP's and we are still in the same boat.. Wiped :/
Assuming we took the deal, how do we hold eSpain accountable to their end of the bargain? It isn't enforceable on our part. No deal, IMO.
Addy, we cannot 'hold' them to it. but if they did not keep to there agreement then it would make them look bad, even so it is worth a chance to get land back then to sit around throwing stones at a giant while we go under
So we are relying on eSpain's guilt over "looking bad" to keep the deal intact. I don't put much stock into that.
What do you mean by their end of the bargain? Either they let us RW back our regions and the deal stands or they don't let us RW back our regions and their is no deal. If they decide to cancel the deal later, that's their right as part of the deal.
Or do you mean what stops them from changing their mind about an extension in the middle of an extension? Well, there'd be nothing to be done about that, I guess, but there never really is for any deal.
There is nothing to hold them accountable on.. The deal is on and has been for 4 months 😛 Except they hold ALL our land instead of just 4. if they break the deal then its what we have now. We are paying them zero extra than we currently are. All we are doing is getting land back.
Addy the deal is for our benefit not Spain's unless you figure our RW's is a great strain on Spain's resources. If they honor the deal or don't is of not much consequence. They are the ones paying the consideration by allowing us to have our regions back. We are paying nothing but a future promise not to "officially" fight in RW's.
When this type of deal was first proposed months ago. Opposition was incredibly strong. It is my impression most those opposed are now citizens of other countries or quit the game with you and crisfire being notable exceptions.
If we were going to take this deal we should of done so earlier.
The "deal" we were offered always required money being handed over on our part so this deal is different.
I don't See much of a problem if they do not hold their end of the deal, I mean, you guys are wiped, so if you don't take the deal, you remain wiped. If you do take the deal you get unwiped. If they break the deal, nothing special, you are just back where you are now, and since there is not money involved, no loss either way, might as well get your stuff back for free IMO.
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2- Neither eSpain nor eCanada will fight on the resistance side in any RW on those four regions. eCanada will ask its allies not to fight for the resistance side.
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This point is easy to break with some 2clickers or citizens with intention to break the NAP. Spaniards can no excuse this and disable NAP at once. Remember what they did with Portugal (Iberian Pact) back in March.
and yet, I'd like to see eCanada free
Yeah, it'd be nice to clear that language up a bit but otherwise it's an understandable sentiment.
Spain knows this, they just dont want the government supporting the RW...
Exactly what Beorn said. if we dont support it then it didnt happen 🙂
Better safe than sorry...
I will start RW's on a regular basis, this deal is crap.
your money
count me in
@Maximus, it isn't my money, it's admin's international currency and what else can I spend it on?
Love. ❤
Love x2
could make a generous contribution to new players who have shown dedication to the game....
I donate 100 Q7's a week to my MU, I donate CAD to players in need shouting in the MU, friend and party feed. Philanthropy is in the eyes of the donator 🙂
i will contribute when I can as well.
Two nations I'll always fight against; eSpain and eIndo. Both are stains that deserve to be cleaned up.
If eCanada goes down the route of servitude, then I for one wont stop fighting the good fight in other regions held by that evil empire.
Our way forward is with the USA backing us up 😁^
maybe they will officially back us in a month or two, and then we can reevaluate are situation