[Election] Can Kanselier defend his bold statements as well as he can make them?
Chihiroh
So… CP-elections are rolling. And as you know I like to heat things up a bit.
I will adress myself to candidate Kanselier a second time. The first time was a while ago on #eBrussels IRC and basically was a loop of him throwing ad hominems at me, me calling him out on it and him chickening out as soon as I did.
So now I thought that … « Well yeah if I want to confront him again I should do so in the form of an article that will be very visible on the wake of that crucial time where he tries to get that Presidential seat he always wanted. That way I can be sure that using the same debate strategy as he did last time will not be without costs ( = votes). »
As you can see I am explaining things in a very simple way to be sure that eeeeeveryone understands what is going on here.
Yes, I am nice like that !
If you didn’t know Kanselier, he is a fairly young eCitizen that quickly got involved in ePolitics and longed for the CP-seat for a little while now. As an ePolitician (and, as Christijan whispered in my ear, apparently also a RL Politician) he certainly has proven to be very good at making bold claims and very … committed to attacking other ePoliticians he doesn’t agree with.
So I thought that, in order to improve his chances against an opponent as experienced as tommot, I could give him the opportunity to prove that he can also defend his claims as exceptionally as he can make them !
So, without further ado let me propose a little…
So here’s the thing :
In ThomasRed’ very informative article, the name of Kanselier sprung out as having accepted 4 people in eBelgium out of 4 Congressmember terms. To which Kanselier responded with arguments basically saying the following :
Well, maybe he’s right.
Maybe the system is indeed biased.
But what bothers me in this affair is this :
Or, more precisely, this part :
Kanselier is a 4-times elected Congressman, which not only means that he could let in 4 immigrants that weren’t approved by the IO (yet), but also that he had 4 months to make changes in the system he deems defective.
Yet after 4 months no changes to be seen. This implies 2 possibilities :
1. A majority of congressmen can get behind his statement, which means that change only needed a vote. As there has been no changes to the law that would mean that Kanselier didn’t do his job.
2. Kanselier is not backed by a majority of Congressmen that think there is no change to be made. Kanselier is thus obliged to follow said system by democratic principle.
In either cases it means that he disregarded guidelines approved by a democratic majority democratic majority of Congressmembers and that are valid until another democratic majority decides otherwise.
So, in effect, by claiming this
He is in fact telling us:
« F*ck democracy ! »
As he doesn’t follow rules that democracy upholds.
So my
Why should I give my vote, my democratic share of power, to someone that only accepts democracy when it goes his way, or doesn’t do his job to change it when elected ?
Sincerely,
Kanselier’s greatest fan
Let the debate begin !
Also, before commenting, know that I’ll rate the quality of your comments.
« Huh, quality ? »
May I present to you the mighty pyramid of arguments !
Also, this might help you too.
Comments
Fully supported!
Great point
PTO-er go home
Indeed you and your friends should go home 🙂
Apostat is a Gay
eBelgium people , this is lie , Kanselier is a good guy and Chichiroc is lair.
I think eBelgium people ' ll beleve a god man Kanselier , or someone who has nick Chichorioc 😃
Kanselier , you have my supprot.
Propaganda for not lose election again ! always the same in election day
Guys you never will change
*you will never change
Wow, couldn't have put it better myself, literally. It's easier for them to bypass and disrespect the legally established principles and mechanisms than to try and change it.
If he (and his followers) couldn't change the system, they should've respected the earlier established system until the said system is changed.
Voted and endorsed for the effort and the courage! 🙂
Ptoer
Namecalling/Ad Hominem: not very high on the pyramid I would say
As to be expected Chihiroh
Your article is already there. Guess werd the Same then.
I actually stated a fact. Failtryagain.
Kanselier : eVladimir is not a ptoer, because when christijanXD came in belgium, he shouted to his friends : come in belgium vote for me. In the same time we had ambarche (maybe you don't know this guy) and his brother from eMacedonia. We asked to several persons to come and make a balance. eVladimir is a person from this group anti-ptoer. But you wasn't active in this time. Ask to christijan, ambarche tried to pto him and it was very funny.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-stop-macedonian-pto--2293469/1/20
Elynea , I come in this wonderfull country for fight for democraty and please don't lie.
Don't need to be defended, but thx Ely 😘
i don't defend eVladimir i just say the truth. But they are not able to open their eyes 🙂
votado! and nice 🙂
nice!
i guess most won't climb very high on this pyramid...
Such article, much quality, wow!
Next time a trial by combat instead of fire 😛
Kanselier is the most talented writer of eBE and together with Santiago Junior who is the most
positive personality of eBE, they are two persons who deserve our unanimous support.
That's just an unsupported statement and doesn't address my concerns.
I think that's standard for their side to start Namecalling/Ad Hominem and not giving counter arguments
Like the Writer does?
Here some misspelled english words in the few comments he made in this article: werd, come whit, Isvthat. And you call that the most talented writer... . But I'm sure he will find someone or something to blame as excuse... like he always does.
eBelgium people , this is lie , Kanselier is a good guy and Chichiroc is lair.
I think eBelgium people ' ll beleve a god man Kanselier , or someone who has nick Chichorioc 😃
Kanselier , you have my supprot.
Op clearly is NOT a fan of absolute democracy. To bad
PS: You forget the Third option. The forum isnt representative for our community 😏
It is still the official forum of eBelgium as voted by, you guessed it, a democratic majority of Congressmen. And that long before you were eBorn.
Official forum. Is milles away from the game. Come whit a better excuse
Ad Hominem again.
Isvthat Your New Nick? Or Just a fetish 😃
4 terms.... that is the amount of chances he let slip by.
every time he had the majority to get things done.
But his supporters don't use the established systems(most think it is bad/biased).
He could have rallied them to get his changes trough, but it never happened.
Actually it is just a click away, it is an official forum as the game admins have encouraged the country communities to create as to take the metagame into their own hands and which the quasi totality of countries have done, according to the DEMOCRATIC principle of majority. You have shown in the past that you could use that forum in all ways needed to perform your job as Congressmember and you did so for several issues, yet it is only now that your credibility is endangered that you try to use the forum as a scapegoat.
The aggressiveness of your talk does not hide the weakness of your arguments very well, Kanselier. I am deeply saddened that someone like you using the picture of Daens as profile does not even do the effort to teach himself the basics of Argumentation and the art to debate that is inherent to Politics. Demagogy can only bring you so far, Kans.
well, the political system in the real life can't be the same here. We can't say kanselier is not active on forum, but persons who are in his group are bad.
eBelgium people , this is lie , Kanselier is a good guy and Chichiroc is lair.
I think eBelgium people ' ll beleve a god man Kanselier , or someone who has nick Chichorioc 😃
Kanselier , you have my supprot.
and women in kitchen?
how can you say that 😮 Ely
No memory ? I have for that.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/are-humans-better-animals-with-insults--2294762/1/20
Ok i read ....
Reported
ALL article
On what ground? 😃
Stop bulling new players
Poor new players, not allowed to spread their undefendable and populistic rant without being called out on it.
Can't take the heat? Can't make the difference between stubborn opinions and facts? Can't defend a stance with strong arguments or anything that aren't personal attacks? Can't accept defeat? Then don't run for CP until you can.
Arguments like "failtryagain" or "Is that your fetish?" and all the lolz upvotes it reaps might make him feel good about himself, but that won't get him anyone's respect.
there wasnt any heat 🙂.
JUST REPORT
Kanselier is ok, personally he reminds me lot of Wim aka Vincent Pain.
He is younger version of Wim to me.
Whether he can or can not defend his statements, yes he of course can.
He is very outspoken and articulate person.
kanselier is not bad, he has bad friends it's different, his view of this political system is like the real life, impossible to do that in the game.
just like real life?
"...he has bad friends..."
I am on his friend list.
R.I.P. Michael Jackson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q
Ass hat, love it!
I don't see the rate of the comments' quality. I'm disappointed.