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>Adrian is correct on this point. True communism can only be achieved if men are inherently good and not selfish; however, as history as shown, this is not the case. People do not work hard without incentive. If everyone is paid exactly the same whether they work or not, there is absolutely no incentive to work hard. Thus, economies tank, nations fail, and people die.

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the real point is not what system is better, capitalism or communism, or, to say it better...

the problem is not the communism or the capitalism, its the humanity. The people in the high ranks can be / is so easily corrupted because of the power, that no matters what new system or political tendency will we invent in the future, none of ´em will work, because we still are the same corrupted, lying, power-thirsty animals.

Communism turned out to be that way cause of trade/ecomomic embargo from the outside world.Free and democratic capitalism colsed the door on natios with different political system than their own.
We are talking about the communism based on the facts told to us.
If you see China today ,and Yugoslavia[communist state] back then ,you'll see sucess of communism ,cause neighter Yugoslavia nor China suffered trade economic embargo.
If you isolate any state it will become dictatorship and poor ,see how much US profits on exports what if it would be zero ,you would see outside world as the enemy and geather around one leader.
There is big fear on the capitalist side from anyting that's not capitalism ,same fear was in 1789 from Frecnch revolution ,and feudal states acted the same way as capitalist do today.

"the problem is not the communism or the capitalism, its the humanity. The people in the high ranks can be / is so easily corrupted because of the power, that no matters what new system or political tendency will we invent in the future, none of ´em will work, because we still are the same corrupted, lying, power-thirsty animals."

I agree ,communism may not listen to the people on lower level ,like wages ,new car ,shopping ,it does listen to the best interest of nation ,it can't be bought or lobbied.
Capitalism has a trend of making anything legal ,when someone gets money and goes against will of the ppl but in a faviour of big commpanies ,he isn't traitor and thrown to prison ,he was lobbing ,also if there are 1 mil unemployed and half are ppl older than 50 years ,lets change the leather for unemployment making it from 18 to 50 ,and now there are 500k unemployed.
Capitalism is based on the manipulation of masses in the interest of big players.
aka UNhuman ,selfish.

I disagree with eagle4s! capitalism is based on competition between the bigger players making things better for the middle class and the lower class. Besides a great percentage of the unemployed people just don't want to work they merely want to get government aid.(This is a result of the US's turn toward socialism) True capitalism encourages people to get off their porches and work or else they wont get anything to eat.

I appreciate your politeness :D [I thought someone will flame me by now]
Your statement is correct but only on the surface ,if you scratch it a little you can find that most of the people working for that porches are actually slaves.
They are pushed to work harder and harder ,not having time to enjoy their achivement.
Like a donkey when presented a carrot
Only some are allowed to have carrot ,5% ,and they are riding a donkey.
They are urged to create more welth and more debt so once they stop working cause of illness or economic crash [act of God or something else :D] their bank confiscates their possesions and they are thrown out on the street.
I can agree on one thing tho ,not all ppl should be payed the same cause not everybody contributes the same.

"Everybody is equal, but some people are more equal than others."- Animal Farm

Unregulated government and unregulated business are the two greatest evils in any society and can be boiled down to one word: Power. If anything be it private or public gains enough power they will oppress regardless of ideological leanings. America oppressed minorities and women in contrast to liberal teachings and the Soviet Union favored the Vanguard and in doing so made an elite class despite claims of equality.

As it currently stands liberal and social democracies are working towards a balance a power amongst all members of society in terms of opportunity and equality before the law. Communism with its reliance on the promise of equal outcomes can never be as efficient as a moderate system (liberal/social democracies, market socialism) can ever be. The market has too many variables to be controlled by a central authority and to spread resources regardless of talent/merit weakens society as a whole. Many assert that Communism looks good on paper I could not disagree more. For a purley socialist criticism of Marxism I would recommend reading up on some Bernstein.

The Terrible Communism.

viva el socialismo!!! Gora euskal herria!!!

Orl hayle Eggman!