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Why we must fight

Day 2,361, 09:41 by Jefferson Locke

Today I am writing as Jefferson Locke, the citizen, instead of Jefferson Locke, the Federalist Party President. I want to clarify that immediately, as I do not want anyone to believe that I am writing this as a party statement.

I am writing today because there is something that I feel America needs to be reminded of. We are in a game which is conflict driven. Be it conflict between individuals, nations, or alliances, it is the conflicts that keep us interested. Right now, our nation is in a conflict with a country that is non-affectionately referred to as our “top hat”. Yes, I’m talking about Canada.



It is my strong belief that Canada must be contained and wiped for the immediate and long term future. It is my belief that Canada must remain in it’s current position for our short term and long term security.

A lot of people will question that and say “Jefferson, what threat does Canada pose?” It’s a very fair question, so let me address it as bluntly as I can:

Canada itself is no threat. It’s the position that Canada holds that is a detriment to our security.



As a nation, we have one enemy that has always been a threat to the security and self determination that our citizens have come to enjoy, and that threat is Serbia. Serbia is an enemy that knows no honor. They are a nation that has no problem with very publicly attempting to PTO a nation just because they would rather do that than fight them. They are a nation that attempts to impose their will not just on their region, but the world itself.

They are a nation that will do whatever it takes to see America wiped off the map.

They are in the rival alliance to SIRIUS, which is ASTERIA. One of the puppet alliances to ASTERIA is LETO. Canada has decided to join LETO, and publicly state their allegiance to Serbia.

This is something that the United States cannot stand for. Imagine if you will living in a neighborhood in which you have enjoyed prosperity and peace. Imagine that your neighbor, who has direct access to your backyard, aligns themselves with someone that has said that their wish is to do you harm.

Do you take a lassez-faire approach to that neighbor? No.

You eliminate the threat at all costs.



That is why America is waging this war with our neighbors to the north. Not because we are a bloodthirsty, bored country, but because it is our very security at stake. This is a war that we must continue to fight as long as Canada aligns themselves with those that wish to do us harm.

Canada’s strategy is that they will continue to harass us until we get bored or decide that the risk isn’t worth the money spent. And it is a sound strategy, as I must admit that I myself over the past week have wavered on whether or not the financial burden is worth the gain. Thier leadership knows how our nation works. Remember, DMV, while an improvement over that waste of space Rylde, is still an expatriot that now fights against the very country that he used to call home. However, after much thought, I have come to one resounding conclusion:

America must keep Canada down, because no amount of money is worth the thought of an immediate threat next to us.

We cannot waver in our determination to show the world that aligning with those that wish to do us harm will not go unpunished. We must not waver in our desire to keep our citizens and our way of life safe from enemies that have every intention to end us. And we cannot sit idly by and allow a neighbor to align with a nation that will do whatever it takes to cause chaos and disorder throughout the world.



America, we must not waver. We must not give in. We must fight with everything that we have. Because I promise you this: Our enemies will not waver in their desire to destroy us.

Always yours,
Jefferson Locke.

 

Comments

Jefferson Locke
Jefferson Locke Day 2,361, 09:41

First for keeping canadurr down!

Franklin Stone
Franklin Stone Day 2,362, 12:31

CURRAHEE!
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WookyJack
WookyJack Day 2,361, 09:46

Greelingada prevails. Suppress the maple leaf resistance!

Jefferson Locke
Jefferson Locke Day 2,361, 09:48

WE WANT *SOME* OF THEIR WOMEN AND SYRUP!

Sniper80
Sniper80 Day 2,361, 09:51

voted
o7

Jefferson Locke
Jefferson Locke Day 2,361, 09:54

Thank you for the vote \o/

Mazzy Cat
Mazzy Cat Day 2,361, 09:51

Meow! ♥

Jefferson Locke
Jefferson Locke Day 2,361, 09:54

/me pets mazzy

Mazzy Cat
Mazzy Cat Day 2,361, 09:56

/me purrs

NBFederalist
NBFederalist Day 2,361, 10:12

Blame Canada!

Trekker Tlumac
Trekker Tlumac Day 2,361, 10:19

Voted... I never really liked 'Nadia anyway

Duncan Crowe
Duncan Crowe Day 2,361, 11:04

Canadians are def in the wrong neighborhood. Voted!

thdomster94
thdomster94 Day 2,361, 11:35

Dang that's intense!

DMV3
DMV3 Day 2,361, 12:38

No offense J-Lo but this is the biggest load of bull I have ever read. Big bad eCanada with 1/6th of your damage is a serious threat to the eUS? If that's the case you guys must also be afraid of your own shadow as well.

Jefferson Locke
Jefferson Locke Day 2,361, 12:46

I didn't say Canada was. I said that your geographic position on the map was.

dscape chaos
dscape chaos Day 2,362, 12:56

So in other words you're too big and bad to be afraid of anything and this is actually just about you wanting more resources? thanks for clearing that up, makes a lot more sense now.

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Wilhem Klink
Wilhem Klink Day 2,362, 18:59

Airstrike. It doesn't matter where one is on the map, Mr. Locke. To say otherwise is ignoring reality. eSebia does not need a border if it wanted to attack eUSA. Either it or a proxy simply has to airstrike.

This line of "reasoning" from eAmericans is laughable.

Jefferson Locke
Jefferson Locke Day 2,361, 12:46

I didn't say Canada was. I said that your geographic position on the map was.

MarioRV
MarioRV Day 2,362, 09:48

paranoid

Tenshibo
Tenshibo Day 2,361, 12:56

Our shady is black. We don't like black people either, thus yes, we are in fact afraid of our shadow. Go back to your snow, traitor.

Bucephalus92
Bucephalus92 Day 2,361, 13:08

DMV you write your own articles so I know you can read, so please stop making comments you know to be disingenuous just because it supports your point. The issue is not Canada's damage, it is the possibility that it could be used as a proxy of Serbia to strike out against the United States.

DMV3
DMV3 Day 2,361, 17:54

You do realize the longer this war lasts the more likely it is Asteria and Leto intervene directly, right? Pressing the war makes you guys more vulnerable, not less.

Jefferson Locke
Jefferson Locke Day 2,361, 18:13

Asterisk is more worried about Chile making Serbia look bad than it is about Canada. You should know better than anyone that any alliance Serbia is in will only be concerned with Serbia.

PigInZen
PigInZen Day 2,361, 20:15

I love how the threat of the big, bad brother coming to Canada's help is raised. They do realize that they're CANADA fer chrissakes? And the big bad brother is SERBIA (who never helps any ally) right? RIGHT?

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,361, 20:26

Except when they do Pig. And they do irt 'Murica.

Lord Haldir
Lord Haldir Day 2,362, 11:18

@PiginZen

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My top damage. Key words is " successfully conquering Ontario from USA"

Right?

Black Baroness
Black Baroness Day 2,361, 12:53

Voted because this is is written by JLo :*

Hale26
Hale26 Day 2,361, 13:12

..Jlo, a bunch of countries have proxy states beside them. We used to have a rather mean looking Mexico. I never saw the US complain before. Poland has Belarus beside it. Sweden too. Spain has Portugal. Proxies are gonna happen; You can't avoid it.

Now, if holding down Canada /didn't/ cost 3mil, there'd be some basis behind this argument. Bu, it did cost us 3 million USD. No sh*t-tier proxy, let alone one that can't even /hold/ our regions (meaning they'd be a minor distraction, at best), is worth that money. I don't pay, or defend, a 10% WAM tax for the Executive to waste.

Don't get me started on the fact that we're literally asking for constant damage drains, either.

If we were smart, we'd sign a rental agreement and NAP with them; War between our states wouldn't be beneficial and we'd get the resources we want. Hell, just a single NAP and we could've avoided the entire war.

Cubby
Cubby Day 2,361, 18:48

Yep. What he said. ^^

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,361, 18:54

Naw Hale, JLO is right. 3 mil/6 mil whatever. You have to fight the wars you have to fight. That is just the way it is.

Rental deals and NAPs are interesting diplomatic things, however;
As long as they retain or intend to retain an MPP with Serbia they must be held down. There really is not another option.

There are other benefits for the eUS as well (activity and TPs come to mind).

Hale26
Hale26 Day 2,361, 19:17

Rahl, they're a terribad Proxy which barely passes as a distraction, seeing as they can't hold down land. Worse: They're a terribad proxy that wasn't even aggressive. If every nation wasted resources in this way, Spain would be at constant war with Portugal, Poland would rule Belarus...etc. They really aren't worth 3 mil, let alone from a fund that's supported by a 10% tax upheld on the grounds of long-term to mid-term defensive goals.

Not to mention; In a 50-50 world, in terms of damage, a proxy like Canada is unlikely to be used if we go for NAP/rental. Plus, last time Serbia (almost wiped) got out of the Balkans was...weeks ago? We're not a priority, and if we were, we wouldn't be pursued by a paper tiger like Canada.

If we had spent less time trying to hold down a people who have nothing to do but damage drain us, we could've got the activity and TPs through..

1. Holding down France and keeping England unwiped
2. Fighting the Colombians out of Mexico, saving a strong geopolitical ally a massive loss and around 90k cc.
3. Had we failed at #1, got involved in the fight inside England to expel the French
4. If we're really feeling bold, Argentine-Spain is an option once that determination bonus plays out. Last country that helped Spain was Mexico; A country notably weaker than ours.

Constant damage drains with no narrative isn't what I'd have in mind, in terms of activity and TPs. I'd rather avoid constant damage drains, while having fun and activity doing important things with purpose. I'm sure you would, too.

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,361, 19:37

You miss the point. It is not canada, per say, but their MPP with Serbia that is a threat.

The narrative is really that easy.

You do know this game goes through cycles. Serbia will be up again in X weeks or months. So having Canada allied with them is simply unacceptable.

Hale26
Hale26 Day 2,361, 20:05

To say that Serbia's full force can come through an MPP is ridiculous. Yes, MPPs are dangerous. But not dangerous enough to warrant spending on this level. We destroyed two empires with this kind of money. Serbia cannot come to our doorstep with an MPP. Plus, Canada didn't even want to fight us.

I don't miss the point Rahl. Canada is a bad proxy. We're attacking them because they can be used as a proxy. Why are we wasting /that/ much money, money that defeated two TWO empires, on a bad proxy because they're a proxy? Really, they can't hold land, if they were used they'd have to be part of a larger plan...etc. Plus, the world is 50-50; Serbia's land can change, but that fact isn't changing soon. We're not getting invaded in the near future.

If Canada were being used for an invasion, if we must entertain one, we'd be hit by numerous other countries. Canada really isn't the centre-point of an ASTERIA invasion. More of a liability, than anything. They'd be a constant RW drain. Even more so because our 2-clickers are trained to participate in Canada damage drains. Apparently damage drains are fine if we get medals, now. Which, as I pointed out above, doesn't have to be the case.

Rahl, think it over man. This security concerns jazz doesn't add up. Why are we the only country in the world that is willing to spend something that sounds an awful like 1/3rd of our reserve on a bad proxy?

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,361, 20:23

"To say that Serbia's full force can come through an MPP is ridiculous."

Not really ridiculous at all. So yes the security concern adds up.

"Canada didn't even want to fight us."

Then they could make different decisions.

>Too much money.

I say not even close to too much.

Hale26
Hale26 Day 2,361, 20:40

You're ignoring the point of their realistic threat. Rahl, they're a /bad/ proxy. They can't be used on their own, they can't be taking a leading role...etc. Serbia can help them MPP wise to be a distraction, but not be a real threat. That's why most countries don't try to hold down proxies.

Also, last time we spent this much we beat all of Serbia and Hungary when we had 40% of the world's damage, on a good day. We're spending too much. Near 1/3rd of our reserve.

And no, Serbia's 2 clicker damage can't go through this MPP. A lot of damage can come through it, but the whole of Serbia won't end up at our doorstep. If that was so, Cyprus should of been crushed by Israel.

Also, why are you painting being in LETO/Serb MPP and not wanting to attack 'Murica as mutually exclusive? Taiwan doesn't attack us. They could be a proxy. A more threatening one, too.

Again: Why are we the only country in the world that is willing to spend something that sounds an awful like 1/3rd of our reserve on a bad proxy?

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,361, 21:26

No, I am confident about the level of threat Serbia poses to the eUS. And it is you who do not recognize the threat correctly. Possibly you think this is an internet game that does not have RL implications (except to some peoples credit card). You would be right of course.

But Serbian players do not see it that way. They hate the US because of RL. Sure there are a few who are O.K. but to them this is a deeply personal fight for their RL countries honor. So yeah an MPP does not make Canada a proxy at all. It, in effect, makes them Serbia and that is unacceptable. It is certainly and easily 3mil unacceptable.

adrjo
adrjo Day 2,362, 05:15

Our last two RWs with eCanada haven't cost us a dime. They are no longer walking the talk.

klop123
klop123 Day 2,362, 10:05

Actually LordRahl, I've talked to a lot of Serbians over the past few months. They only hate America in game (most of them) and are actually quite kind and humble otherwise.

Also, your logic is rather flawed. 3 million cc for 2 resource regions. Good job. ~_^

Lord Haldir
Lord Haldir Day 2,362, 10:54

We don't need Canada as a proxy. When we decide to come to you, we come personally. We come because we can, and that's the only reason.

You already know that?

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2013 http://prntscr.com/3hnrvf

Canadians are cool guys. They fight hard and persistently for his country and i respect that fact.

Hale26
Hale26 Day 2,362, 13:46

If these nationalistic Serbs were so able and willing (More willing than anything) to spend that much money, they'd be better off spending it on Portugal; Portugal has a Serbian MPP and is much more proficient than Canada.

On that matter too, I don't put as much faith in the idea that Nationalist Serbs' money can equal the whole of Serbia at our doorstep. The idea that we'll attract every Serb gold-beast in a world with 50-50 damage simply doesn't make sense.

If your mode of thinking is correct, why did we beat Portugal? How did we wipe Canada? Why doesn't Belarus wipe Poland?

Rahl, I'm with you on the fact that some Balkans play this shitz too hard. But c'mon bro. Facts are facts; They don't play it hard enough to make a fiery tank out of the paper tiger that is Canada. If the Serbs really did that kinda thing, all my examples above would be opposite.

Lets not insult their intelligence here; Canada can't hold land and cannot wipe us. The Canadians know this and do not want to war us.

All in all, even with the assumption that we'll attract gold tanks, that still doesn't justify spending 1/3 of the reserve to hold down a non-hostile nation.

@Adrjo, DMV is a gold beast and they're implementing a war bonds thingy. They'll be back. And really, what else are they supposed to do with their money? The reason why people don't permawipe countries that have community is because that community now diverts all resources to getting un-permawiped. Will they win? Nop. But, it's still a b**tch to handle. A b**tch I don't feel we should be shouldering.

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,362, 15:12

I know you need to take a contrarian stance politically but your position remains wrong.

All your examples are short term. Over the scope of the game Serbian led alliances have invaded the US over and over again. So all your examples have counterpoints wich are far more compelling.

And it is not goldbeasts alone that I worry about (where do you infer that from?). It is all of Serbia and you know it.

When they secure themselves in a few months or whatever they will again look to the US as a target. This is the way it is - always. Canada having an MPP and being allied or subservient to Canada remains unacceptable. 6+ million unacceptable.

@Klop - I know Serbians from this game and irl. I know for a fact that you are incorrect or just being lied to.

klop123
klop123 Day 2,362, 18:51

You're obviously hanging out with the wrong Serbs then.

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,362, 19:05

or they are feeding you a bunch of malarkey and you are eating it up

Hale26
Hale26 Day 2,362, 20:06

You're avoiding a lot of my points Rahl. To start,

...We're spending a 1/3rd of our reserve to rule out one weak proxy for a post-alliance shift world? And, you'd spend more than half of our reserve for that eventuality? Rahl, you know that's not wise.

You didn't address my point on Portugal either. The holes man, the holes.

And, no, all of Serbia can't come to our doorstep. We've ruled that out a post or two ago because 2 clicker damage can't come through an MPP. So yeah. All of Serbia coming at our door? Nop.

And again, if a Serb MPP equals automatic win...why did we beat Portugal? Why did we beat Canada? Rahl, shtap avoiding.

And finally, biggest sign that yer running out of counters; You're implying that I'm in a comment fight because I have vested political interests. Ad hom is a sweet way to tell the other side has ran out of valid arguments. Let alone bad ad hom. Rahl, what positions do I hold right now? What politik goals am I after?

I'm retired man. Anyone can attest to that. I mean, really Rahl. You're starting to sound tin-foiler here.

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,362, 20:30

I had half of a reply ready then I reread this:
"2 clicker damage can't come through an MPP"

ummmmmm, wait what? Are you sure about that?

If that is the basis of your thinking you need to go check the game mechanics man. http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Mutual_Protection_Pact

And that will pretty much conclude our chat.

Hale26
Hale26 Day 2,363, 06:51

I'd appreciate it that you stop avoiding all my other points. Rahl, this isn't the way to lose a debate. Address every problem with your argument, not the easiest points alone.

It's a well-known fact of game mechs that 2 clickers don't participate in MPP battles near as much, if at all. That's why nations are so much more powerful in direct battle than in MPP battle. Why is it that America can beat Portugal in direct war but not Serbia?

The Serbian base of 2 clickers. And the fact that people fight harder for themselves than others.

If it helps, I can get some NSC here to back me up. But, you know I'm correct in the fact that Serbia cannot come to our doorstep without literally being at our doorstep.

Now, stop floundering and address the other points.

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,363, 08:49

Hale, STOP obfuscating and trying to backtrack your mistake.

As I said, I have a nice long reply typed up but I did not realize we were dealing with a basic game mechanics issue.

2 clicker damage most certainly comes through MPPs. Wherever MUs set their orders + the national battle of the day is where 2 clicker damage goes. This is obvious.

Do not try to backtrack on this basic point now. You said:
"2 clicker damage can't come through an MPP"

Can't is your word, not mine.

It most certainly can and it does. This was not an issue of psychology or something on your part but a game mechanics mistake.

Please have the NSC come and tell me that people do not dump on the Daily order (MU) and/or the Campaign of the Day (National) via MPP fights. I will wait right here.

dmjohnston
dmjohnston Day 2,363, 11:46

I'm supposed to tell you you're wrong, Rahl.

LordRahl2
LordRahl2 Day 2,363, 11:50

I am sure you are.

Show your work DMJ.

HeapSeppo
HeapSeppo Day 2,363, 11:54

Alright I am here to look at a few outcomes of this situation.

Let's say that we keep them wiped now and make no NAP. Serbia says "Fuck this." and decides to attack us through Canada even though they are having trouble in Europe. They then start a RW blitz and completely own us (Yes, they will if they focus all there). They get a region, win NE race and we got a war against Serbia.

How did us occupying Canada help us in this situation?

Now let us say that we make a NAP, they have regions but we have the bonuses we want from them. Both sides agree to a 500k insurance that is being held by a 3rd party country, this insurance goes to the country that does not break the NAP. Now they decide to attack us and we get 500k to spend on COs straight away without any discussion. This gives us a better chance to beat them back. In the case that they don't break it then great, we both get our 500k back and we've had no problems at all. During all this time we focus our damage on Europe to control Serbian borders instead of controlling Canada.

See the difference?

 
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