Why we Chose Peace.
Mr Woldy
Peace.
Consequences of continueing the fight.
Treaties.
Peace proposals.
The other Day, my ex-co-MoFA declared using his newspaper that the eUK has entered a peace treaty with Eden. This is true, however the terms of the treaty have not yet been discussed. In actuality, the word 'treaty' is somewhat misleading. All Eden is doing is retreating it's regions to the eUK and signing an ingame declaration of peace with them.
Although being backed by Phoenix, this perhaps wasn't made clear enough to begin with.
This means we shall continue to fight for Phoenix in battle across the world.
Although signing peace with Eden has it's obvious disadvantages, it is not for certain that we would ever find ourselves making use of the advantages of not signing peace. In fact, it's incredibly unlikely we ever would.
There has been some negative feeling kicked up in a few select groups of people both here in the eUK and abroad, and hopefully through a set of articles I can hope to make clear why the decision to seek peace was made.
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Failure to Extrapolate.
To some extent the eUK has seen a backlash towards it's decision to declare peace. It's not often I release overly controversial articles, however there are several reasons why peace is the right decision.
At the minute peoples perception of the war is slightly off; the idea that once we have initiative we can storm through Poland and Spain using our MPP's and inevitably liberate occupied europe. isn't quite accurate.
Simply put, this idea lacks forefought, and the reality of the situation is that we would inevitably be wiped off the map. A lot of people theorise what we could do upon gaining initiative without considering actions taken by Eden. Possibly even ignoring plans and counters Eden could launch against us.
Allow me to present you with the facts;
Magical MPP's and Mystical Borders
Contrary to what a lot of people think, our activated MPP's cannot be used to maraude through Spanish and Polish Territory. This is because we don't actually have any activated MPP's against Spain and we don't actually border Poland.
Figure 1:1 - eUK cannot into Poland
This may have sounded condescending, but it's a fair and valid point - keeping up with who owns what in europe (especially when things have heated up on the home front) can be difficult, and so people may not immediatly realise that Eden have already maneuvered to stop us progressing in Europe.
Idealogical Counter Attacks
Since Poland attacked an original eUK region during Eden's siege and activated Phoenix's MPP's many people switched from the traditional Resistance War method to the idea of using the activated MPP's. It seems however, that despite changes in circumstance this idea was still held onto.
Realistically, Eden had already taken and could take more steps to prevent our MPP's being used. Spain removing the Polish border was an example of this. None the less, the hope that these MPP's would be used to liberate our allies - although it was becoming less likely was still held onto. However, no one is to blame for this. We all want to liberate our friends, so it's only natural that we held onto the idea.
Before these activated MPP's came to be, we had faith in RW's. Something we'd successfully pulled off before. The belief that our allies can be saved through RW's is a more realistic one, and a strategy that should not be dismissed.
Our Back's Against the Wall
It's true. We are somewhat surrounded. Being surrounded isn't the best of ways to start a war, especially on eRep where getting yourself 'un'surrounded is tricky. Unless you're eGod. The major disadvantage in eRep of being surrounded is that you are highly susceptible to being blocked.
Picture this; Norway in the East of England. And the USA in the South East of England. Both with open MPP's against London. This is undoubtedly what Eden would have been aiming to achieve, and were getting pretty close to doing so. Upon having the Norwegians and Americans bear hugging us, you can be rest assured they'd do what Eden have become pretty well known for doing. Cycle attacking. With the USA and it's MPP's as well as Norway and their MPP's constantly attacking London, it is sad to say we would inevitably fall, and would be wiped off the map, open wars with us.
Yes! You're right, we had gained the initiative. Now picture this; we fight back and gain all of our regions - great success! And now we can begin moving onto europe. All we need to do is get our magical MPP's and mystical borders that I mentioned. Oh but wait, we also have to keep the initiative. Doesn't sound too hard, but remember, we're surrounded. This means in order to prevent ourselves being blocked, and so to proceed on our hypothetical european assualt - we would need to block the countries surrounding us. This means paying twice a day to open up a battle on all the countries who could potentially block us. The minute we don't, they would block us and fight us back down.
As you can see, we'd be led into a trap.
The thing is, this would also mean activating more MPP's. The largest implication of threatening the Polish and Spanish empires whilst vulnerable to blocking is what in my opinion is the main justification for ending the war through diplomacy. So I've given it it's own sub section.
The Sleeping Giants
So far in the siege of the eUK, both Spain and Poland who have recently bore the fruits of a baby boom have in fact had very little involvement in the battles. A few spanish mobiles appeared in the opening hours of the battle for London, but on whole that is pretty much it.
Funny then, when as a result of the USA's attack, it ends up Spain and Poland being the Eden countries with the most to lose. So far they'd been happy to let the USA have their fun. So have we. But at what point would they step in? It's fair to say that we wouldn't win by large margins once they did, and it's also fair to say that any signs of us damaging their empire would force them to step in and intervene.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Spanish_Army_BMR-600_DF-SD-04-06607.JPEG[/img]
But what can be done about the country with the MPP's against Poland? What can Poland and Spain do to eliminate the risk posed by these MPP's? There is one thing they can do. Wipe them from the map. Eden couldn't afford not to wipe us. The UK could not afford to fight.
Timing is Essential
So you may be wondering why the peace proposal came about just as we had the upperhand. Simply put, it portrayed to both sides why the war to all extents and purposes, was futile. You can read Josh Frost's perspective here.
If we were to continue the war, Eden countries such as Poland and Spain would find themselves committed to the fight. In other words, if we had continued fighting - we'd soon lose the upper hand and only risk baiting Eden into finishing us off as a team.
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Best of a bad Bunch.
I'm not one to go against having fun, afterall this is a game. Why play if it isn't fun? But there are times when you have to step and and put on your gamer face. Maybe the levels of fun drop, but it's necessary to continue playing, and to proceed.
It's true, we were having fun. People on both sides of the alliance. However, when you elect a CP, who appoints the Cabinet, you follow a group of people who have a responsiblity to run and lead the eUK to the best of their ability. They have a responsiblity to keep the country whole. We treat the eUK as you may treat your village on tribal wars. We have to protect it, and afterall, it's what you elected us to do. You put your faith in them to make the best, and right decisions. Hopefully this article will help show you that we have.
Finally, the eUK is one of the most committed countries to the Phoenix Alliance. We shall continue to fight at our best, and take an active role in aiding our allies, from home and when we're deployed from abroad. Hopefully this has shed some light on why we made the decisions we had to you. Regardless of these decisions you'll know that you have our full support. We know we've got yours too.
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Comments
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Good article
It's a tough one but im swayed
Woldy that was worth the wait.
Voted.
Woldy once again puts words to the madness.
You lot knew the risk and ridicule you would face, but did it for the greater good for all.
May others see this for what it is, a comprimise, not a betrayal.
Woldy o/
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Good Show Woldy I have always been behind you and the peace, maybe getting the wrong end of the stick but I am behind the E-UK govt to a T
Woldy article is good.
Thing is, old bean, something to this end needed to be shunted out to our allies within a couple of hours of the declaration. I appreciate someone has to sit down and write it pronto, but people aren't easily convinced once they've seen the red mist and we may have blasted our foot off here.
Я някой да каже с 2 думи, че не ми се чете всичко.
Woldy that was worth the wait.
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Funny it is when you say backed up by Phoenix, when you are in control of Phoenix HQ and you wrote that article from Phoenix newspaper, so you represent UK and Phoenix, so cynical of you! As for peace treaty, you put UK interests in front of the alliance interests, can't say I blame you for that because maybe I would do the same or maybe not!
Bajke a razumes ti koliko lupas, da nisu to uradili, pali bi a onda ne bi bilo nista od pomaganja Nemackoj i Francuskoj. Mada su mogli i to da urade, pa da naprave jedan bejbi bum tako sto bi izbacili svuda slike o tome kako su ih ameri osvojili...
I'm not in control of Phoenix HQ o.O
If the SG/SC didn't agree they would delete the article they asked me to write..
Andrasuis
A jel razumes ti engleski nisam uopste o tome pisao, cak sam ga i podrzao u sporazumu, nego sam besan sto kaze podrzao ga feniks stab a on kontrolise feniks stab i on je pisao one zvanicne feniks novine!
Mr Woldy, I just checked Phoenix article again this is what it writes in the end
"😉eputy SG of PHOENIX ALLIANCE, Mr Woldy"
Since Battal Gazi published his article litle before that one of the Phoenix HQ came out, I suspect you wrote it!
Battal and myself helped each other with both the articles. I didn't deny writing it and I don't see your point..
Woldy is like 8 magic 8balls. >_>
Bajke
Da li ga podrzavas ili ne, jasno se ne vidi iz tvog komentara, ali jeste u negativnom kontekstu. Moja poenta je da je uradjeno drugacije, ne razumem kako bi savez profitirao, jer ti tvrdis da je ovako prodan savez zbog UK. A razumes ti da ti covek kaze da on pise te novine samo uz podrsku i dozvolu ostalih iz vrha saveza. On jeste pisao, ali daleko od toga da je on tu glavni...
Bakje,
Get off our media if your not going to help.
Tribal Wars reference! + nice wording - hopefully people will understand now.
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He made it seem okay. WOLDY FOR UK PRESINDENT AGAIN!!!!!!!! 😃 (run woldy)
all i m saying is the ads for the defence of london should have included a tagline saying:
"Fortress London: If we survive this then we are going to sign a treaty"
You say 'We are somewhat surrounded.'
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Maybe will be a good idea to make an alliance with US. This way we'll have our back protected and we won't be a island surrounded by enemies...
Keep this option in mind.
Bajke, nisi u pravu... Nemoj se glupirati pred ljudima. Ne vodi on Feniks covece.
@Article: vote!
Good one... Hope this sheds some light upon the non-believers. 🙂
"You say 'We are somewhat surrounded.'
Maybe will be a good idea to make an alliance with US. This way we'll have our back protected and we won't be a island surrounded by enemies...
Keep this option in mind."
what he said.
it shouldn t come as shock a to you that the uk was going to be surrounded. i m just wondering, did you realize this situation after the defense of london, or were you aware from the beginning of phx?
if you (hopefully) knew that we were alone and surrounded from the beginning, how can you use this as an excuse? why didn t you tell at least the other member governments or presidents that a treaty was going to be signed, so they shouldn t attack with what they ve got but instead save some (2.5mil wall even with directing the attack to greco-turkish fight?) for rw's?
so battalgazi and mr. woldy are pheonix?
because presidents of russia, serbia and hungary (probably all other pheonix countries) had no idea of this "joint Pheonix decision".
Great work on this woldy. Was a good read. Explained the situation very clearly and accurately. I piety the fool who says we betrayed phoenix now.
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Always the America's minions!...
Mr Woldy, you should have been the one to write news releases instead of Glados. In fact, think you should be the official gov media PR guru guy and all the bad fallout wouldn't have happened.
not voted
will sound kind of an argumentum ad hominem, but i ll take the chance anyway.
from the beginning of this treaty talk, most (i mean MOST) of the positive comments came from eden countries.
not a good argument, but still...
Mr Woldy - the voice of calm, reason, and common sense! 🙂
As far I can see this article is just papering over the cracks trying to salvage something out of this charade.
Just one question what did gain out of this we are back at square one minus Hospitals and Defence Systems I wonder will pay for them. I suppose we did gain one thing the mistrust of our allies general populace hope it was worth it for that.
I doubt I will get an answer but at least I asked
It was a bold decision to save the country at the expense of your allies and dignity and I salute you for it!
The thing I don't understand is this: You say we had to do it as we had no other way out. EDEN could keep cycle attacking us if we didn't. Also that we could not use our MPP as we had no border with Poland.
Surely this means that if we didn't surrender, we would be forcing EDEN's hand. They would be spending gold cycle attacking INSTEAD OF attacking other PHEONIX members. Poland would be restricted in their movements so they don't get a border with us.
The attack on London showed we could comfortably defend it. We would survive, even if only with one reason. Most importantly, it would mean we had daily battles. Battles are fun. They help with experience points. They increase military rank. Oddly, they help keep Wellness high.
Britain is not strategically useful. EDEN would have been forced to keep attacking us at the expense of invading more useful regions, or to abandon us without our surrender.
The overall result is that you have annoyed alot of citizens you are supposed to represent, you have annoyed the leaders of certain allied countries, and you have annoyed citizens of certain allied countries. Even if this was a good move tactically, in terms of PR it was an utter disaster.
The thing is with the 'They could cycle attack and we'd be draining gold' argument is yes we'd be draining gold but not enough gold. We'd not be taking enough out of their pockets especially as they could share the burden between themselves.
It's a lot easier for one nation to afford to attack every few days than it is for one nation to afford ten attacks daily...
So yes the better decision was take the cheaper for the eUK way out of the war than the more expensive one. After all folks lets say we did fight to the bitter end and where destroyed. (A likely result, Dish has been playing a game on the eUK forum, where people are placed in the same posisition the eUK was in when the annoucment was mad. They try and fight out. So far no one has been able to not one person. Every time it has ended up right back at eLondon)
So the likely scenerio is after a lot of gold spent eLondon falls, we then arrive at this situation.
You don't have eFrance and eGermany to RW back, you have eFrance, eGermany and eUK to Resistence war back.
Thats 15 more territories to pay for returning to us. Well done folks you just upped the expense to the alliance massievly for your desire to have leaders with 'Balls' what you mean is more 'Balls than brains' Frankly I want leaders with Brains.
Surely if he had brains we wouldn't have in this mess in the first place he would have foreseen this happening and at least advised that this would be the outcome for us.
For all the people saying "should have told everyone this was the plan all along so the alliance doesn't waste the gold and damage protecting eUK": Do you really think EDEN would have signed any kind of treaty with eUK if they didn't get stomped in London?
Good article. I can understand people's desire to continue fighting (after all it is part of the British underdog spirit), but we have to be realistic here, and the reality seems to suggest that we would have eventually run out of steam, whilst EDEN would have kept going. It appears that they have more than enough money to throw at this.
However, we must not fall into the category of appeasement here just to save our own skins. We MUST continue to support our allies 110% and stand against the aggression of EDEN.
england cannot into allies..
WOLDYMAXXXX \o/
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A different title why we chose the easy way out.
Good article, good explanation of the situation in the eUK, granted I think a lot of people would have had more fun if the battle continued. In the end, sometimes it's best to do what is more fun, as this is a game.
I'm sure you guys made the right choices anyhow, if at the least, slightly dull xD
Cheers Woldy.
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"Surely if he had brains we wouldn't have in this mess in the first place he would have foreseen this happening and at least advised that this would be the outcome for us."
He did. Repeatedly. Since the very beginning we were told it would probably go badly for us, but we'd fight it for the lulz. We did fight it, right up until the back foot, then we just removed the dull boring stalemate that would have occurred around London and went back to normal.
"because presidents of russia, serbia and hungary (probably all other pheonix countries) had no idea of this "joint Pheonix decision"."
the presidents of France and Germany (who it actually affected) definitely knew, as did the commanders of Phoenix (as the several articles by them show). We appreciate the help in defending us, but honestly, what right do your countries have to ask us to get wiped off the map for no apparant reason or tactical gain? Anyone who actually understands erep military tactics has already explained why it was the best decision and why sticking it out made no tactical sense.
Thank you for the explanation Mr. Woldy.
How is it a joint decision if only a select few knew and are we turning Phoenix into a two tier system allies who need to know and those who can wait until we can be bothered.
Who will pay for the rebuilding of spetic isle we will all that expense for a few over inflated egos.
yeah activate more mpp,all the phoenix supporting cowards