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34 Day 617, 13:19 USA
I see eAmerica is falling and your government is doing nothing to help. This is a problem as so many people rely on eAmerica for some reason. You should have voted someone smarter into office, but wait you say Harrison Richardson is great. WRONG, he killed eAmerica and YOU voted him in, so in fact the people who voted for him are the reason for eAmericas recent failures.

 
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Mainegreen
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Mainegreen Day 617, 13:24

We are 'failing' because of the huge numbers of enemies and game battle mechanics that make counter attacks illegal.

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 13:25

You are failing due to an incompetant governmnet.

What was your "war time tax hike" for? NOTHING! It helped NOTHING!

ABANDON SHIP!!

 
Jaime Hasten
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Jaime Hasten Day 617, 13:30

And how, exactly, did he kill eAmerica? I'll be interested to know, because it isn't like he hasn't been doing stuff to help defend us against this attack.

Besides, we're not dead. In fact, we won't be dead even if our states are all conquered, because eAmerica is more than just a collection of states on a map.

 
Moot
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Moot Day 617, 13:31

Hey did you guise see the Q5 hospital proposal?
Hey guise lets add another big target for PEACE okay?

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 13:33

> In fact, we won't be dead even if our states are all conquered, because eAmerica is more than just a collection of states on a map.

You keep believing that...

(psst! you are a collection of states on a map)

 
Jaime Hasten
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Jaime Hasten Day 617, 13:34

Nicholas, I find that comment extremely amusing. A nation under major threat of attack on almost all sides would be irresponsible if it tried to pretend that nothing was wrong and didn't take action to try to raise revenues.

As far as the "abandon ship" part goes...yeah. The worst you can do is conquer our states, but you can't actually crush our spirit without our acquiescence. And this is one eAmerican who won't ever fall prey to that.

 
Lord Moe
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Lord Moe Day 617, 13:35

you did raise revenue but they did nothing with it

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 13:37

It is wrong that they appempted to raise revenue, because they have accomplished nothing with that money. They stole it from the eAmerican taxpayers.

>but you can't actually crush our spirit without our acquiescence.

Want to bet? I am very good at crushing hopes, dreams, and spirits. You will be happy living in PEACE. Lower income taxes, higher wages, cheeper goods, capable leaders. Let's just say that it is a gift from PEACE to eAmerica.

 
Jaime Hasten
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Jaime Hasten Day 617, 13:41

No, Nicholas, we aren't. And for you to make a silly comment like that shows your ignorance. After all, what is a nation but its people?

As long as the people survive and keep fighting, we'll come back sooner or later. And before you try to laugh that off, it's happened before, even here in Erepublik.

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 13:43

Yes, you will come back sooner or later.

You will just be a vassal of PEACE.

PEACE is invading to teach you eAmericans not to be so arrogent, which apparently, is not working...yet...

 
Lord Moe
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Lord Moe Day 617, 13:45

like it ever will work...

 
Jaime Hasten
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Jaime Hasten Day 617, 13:45

I'll take that bet. After all, your propaganda has as much effect on us as pebbles thrown in the ocean. I don't deny that you might sway a few, but you will never be able to convince us all.

No matter what you try, I will stand firm and resolute against the tyranny of the spirit that you represent.

 
Lord Moe
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Lord Moe Day 617, 13:48

Your government represents tyranny...
maybe you should think about that and then make your decision

 
Buck28
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Buck28 Day 617, 13:48

We are losing because no one is fighting where they are supposed to. We had almost a 200k all in new mexico to but we lost nevada by -18k and minnesota by some amount. If everyone would fight where ordered we would not have lost these 2 regions.

 
kasiko
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kasiko Day 617, 13:49

USA must start attack them not just try to defend USA territory. Attack Indonesia and Russia best territories then they will be defending them means they will have no time to attack USA lol

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 13:49

>No matter what you try, I will stand firm and resolute against the tyranny of the spirit that you represent.

um...PEACE leaders are not tyrants...

Besides, nationalism has absolutely nothing to do with eRepublik. It does not allow you to do more damage. It has no benifits. Abandon your hopes, eAmerica will fall...

 
Jaime Hasten
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Jaime Hasten Day 617, 13:49

It's not arrogance, Nicholas. It's stubbornness, willpower, and determination. The fact that you cannot tell the difference shows why you're ultimately doomed to failure in your propaganda efforts.

Arrogance is assuming we can never be defeated, which is not true. Determination is refusing to quit until the job is done, no matter how much it costs and no matter how long it takes. So long as we maintain that strength of spirit, we'll come back eventually - and certainly not as your lackeys.

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 13:50

kasiko, you cannot attack untill you have successfully defended, which your people have failed to do.

 
The Hess Factor
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The Hess Factor Day 617, 13:52

Our government represents the best interests of our nation. And that means you can't destroy our country willingly. Sorry.

Don't see how HR ignited the war, only past attacks on your pet countries, sorry, "allies".

The taxes did plenty, we are still waging war against you guys and I don't see that it will end until you guys head back to your little bunkers across the Pacific.

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 13:52

>It's stubbornness, willpower, and determination

Um... no, eAmericans are not that...

What about all of those wars (Russia, France, Portugal) which you just stopped fighting, and made few efforts for peace? Those battles, your arrogence, are the reasons why eAmerica will fall.

 
Moot
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Moot Day 617, 13:54

>Besides, nationalism has absolutely nothing to do with eRepublik. It does not allow you to do more damage. It has no benifits. Abandon your hopes, eAmerica will fall...

Don't mind me stepping in here,
But I completely disagree with your statement.

People seeing their countries fighting in a battle have a much higher chance of buying gold and using it on weapons/etc.

 
Lord Moe
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Lord Moe Day 617, 13:54

your government is looking out for itself and taking your "taxes" for private use

 
Jaime Hasten
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Jaime Hasten Day 617, 13:54

If you are not tyrants, then you would not be seeking to impose your rule over us. Even were your cause just, which I dispute, a tyranny of a just is still a tyranny. It is still one group enforcing its will over another, backed by force. Is that not what you're doing here?

As for the rest of it, should eAmerica fall, it will rise again so long as we keep dedicated to that goal. And we will do so without becoming your lackeys, or following the path of eventual ruin which you even now tread.

Hope springs eternal. You can never kill it, so your only chance is to convince us to abandon it. And again, that we will never do.

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 13:55

>Our government represents the best interests of our nation. And that means you can't destroy our country willingly

Sorry to disappoint you, but yes, we can.

>The taxes did plenty

Really? Well, last I checked, California, one of the most important regions in the eUSA belonged to eIndoneisa, not eAmerica...
If they worked, you would still have your land.

Have fun, Ameritrolls!

 
Sheriff Yoda
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Sheriff Yoda Day 617, 13:55

Seems to me you PEACEniks were planning this long before Harrison was elected. The war started as soon as the presidental elections were over. How can this be HIS fault? You didn't even wait to see what his foreign policy was going to be like.

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 13:58

Farewell eAmeritrolls!

My IQ is falling just listening to your arrogent, raving ramblings.

 
The Hess Factor
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The Hess Factor Day 617, 14:02

Face it, PEACE is attacking the eUSA because of its potential and its capacity to not enslave its members. Of course, PEACE isn't arrogant. Not at all.

We are determined. We are stubborn. We have willpower. All for good reason: The United States have come under trials, like Hitler and the Cold War, and guess what? We prevailed. We won. It's time to understand that you can't win this war. You can only postpone the inevitable.

 
Luke Tomas
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Luke Tomas Day 617, 14:03

Nicholas, look at it like this, once the eAmerican populace rendezvous in our fortress states, PEACE will continually lay siege to the two states. Eventually you'll run out of money from all the unsuccessful attempts of "freeing" us and then we'll use the money we have (including the money from the "pointless" tax) to not only take back all the territories we've lost but to also let you feel our "wraith", "dictatorship", and all this bullcrap your spewing all over the wall. What's the point of being a country if you only think about now and not about the future.

 
Moot
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Moot Day 617, 14:04

This ^

 
Jaime Hasten
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Jaime Hasten Day 617, 14:05

And now we see your true nature, Nicholas. We disagree with you and your doomsaying, so now we're "trolls". Sad and predictable, to try to discredit us like that because we don't agree with you.

Here's what is allowed by the rules of Erepublik. All of a nation's territories can be captured, and it can be removed as an active, unified presence in the e-world. That's all.

The people who still call that nation home (even if they are forced to live in exile) will still be able to act of their own accord, either individually or as a group. They will be able to take action to eventually start freeing their nation so long as they keep pushing for it.

That's why I keep saying you can't truly defeat us. Even if the eUSA is totally removed from the map, the people who live here will be fully capable to work towards freeing it. It would ultimately be far better in the long run for you to not even try to completely crush us, because that will make us even more determined to ensure that we will rise again.

As for California, don't be silly. The problem there had nothing to do with money. It had to do with the fact that eIndonesia timed its attack so that many of us would be asleep when it ended. After all, real life takes precedence over Erepublik, and many of us have jobs we work or schools we attend at which prevent us from staying up half the night on a regular basis.

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 14:09

>Nicholas, look at it like this, once the eAmerican populace rendezvous in our fortress states, PEACE will continually lay siege to the two states.

Good luck with that! eAmerica cannot last forever in just 2 regions, your economy would be dead, there would not be enough jobs...

>And now we see your true nature, Nicholas. We disagree with you and your doomsaying, so now we're "trolls".

You are trools. You have arguements that are based on nothing, while I have actual facts to support my ideas. Such as eAmerica has never won a war.

 
clawy
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clawy Day 617, 14:10

@The Hess Factor: leave RL out, this is a game.

As nicholas already said, the main problem in the US are taxes. Why do you think no other country applied the ridiculous 20% income tax in peace time, raising it even more in war time? Taxes do not create money. Taxes take the existing money from the poor, and give it to the rich. Doing that for a long time, the US gained a relatively strong army, and a very weak population. And that shows in the battles.

Also, the eAmericans were kept rather stupid, torn appart from any game mechanism or what is happening in this eWorld. Remember all the "why don't we counter-attack Ireland" posts?
Another great example is Zoli. Zoli is a great propagandist. What makes him great is that in 90%+ cases he tells the truth, pointing out week points in a country, this way turning the population against the government. The eUSA is really the only country where he was called a liar by the waste majority, showing how people have no idea how this game works.

And of course i will be insulted as well, because i dare to post in the eUS media.

 
nicholas2000
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nicholas2000 Day 617, 14:14

clawy, thank you for being an intelligent poster. I have freat respect for you, and you most likely be trolled for stating the truth.

 
Jaime Hasten
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Jaime Hasten Day 617, 15:21

I won't deny that we've never won an aggressive war, and we're unlikely to win this one (at least in terms of how wars are measured in Erepublik). But you're completely ignoring the valid points we are making because you don't agree with them. Instead, you invent insults like "Ameritroll", which are good sound bites but help your cause not at all. Is it any wonder why we refuse to accept your 'logic'?

You're telling us to give up, to accept defeat, to become lackeys, whatever. We're telling you that we won't do it. That we'll stick with it as long as it takes to get our country back, even if we must rise from defeat. That isn't arrogance. That's the same kind of determination that other nations have shown in defeat, and they do eventually come back as well. Some have come back to be real powerhouses.

It's a lot harder to argue with Zoli than with you. You know why? Because he doesn't spew viperous rhetoric at us. He sticks to the facts, and refrains from saying things like, "you're doomed", "just give up", "abandon ship", and other stuff along those lines. He's respectful in general to even people he argues with. In short, he tries to convince rather than dominate.

You'd do well to learn from him. I mean, you obviously consider those of us who disagree to be trolls and/or idiots, while you consider people like clawy who agree with you to be intelligent posters. And that's simply not true.