UKPP Down?
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UKPP have possibly been PTOed. We say possibly as no one knows the full story yet, but here is CheetahCurtis with most of the information so far as well as what you need to know...
Who is Vuk01 and why PTO UKPP?
Vuk01 is the party president of UKPP, but we wouldn't write an article if that was all. Vuk01 is a Serbian with a reputation for PTOing countries that are against Serbia. In one article they wrote:
"Kasnije sam ucestvovao u jos nekim akcijama: ATO eRusije, Makedonije, TO Malaysia, Belgija, UAE i sad usa zanimljiva druzenja gde sam god bio"
Which roughly translates to(if you can provide a better translation, let me know):
"Later, I took part in some more actions: ATO eRusije, Macedonia, TO Malaysia, Belgium, UAE and USA now hanging out where I was as"
Vuk01 has taken part in several PTO attempts to benefit Serbia including the PTO of USA, Malaysia, Belgium and UAE who were all either enemies of Serbia or small countries at the time of the PTO. Now that the eUK has broken ties with Serbia it would follow past actions to PTO this country.
For more details on Vuk01, check out a good article by FightAndProduce.
He can't just become PP, who is to blame?
With the party president elections just over, no one has made an official statement on the matter. However, already blame has been passed onto New Era for the PTO. In the week running up to the elections, 10 Serbians were let into the country by 4 different New Era Congressmen. 9 of these 10 either joined New Era or UKPP(the other hasnt joined a party yet). With Vuk01 getting 13 votes to win the election, it is possible that most of these votes came from ex-Serbian citizens(not all may be PTOers though).
Only 13 votes, seriously! I should have run...
You are probably shouting at your screen right now saying why did no one notice beforehand. Well, Vuk01 is not one of the 10 who entered in the past week. He was let in 2 and a half weeks before the election, by a UKPP Congressman. Due to this, we would have less likely noticed Vuk01 as a PTOer compared to the other Serbians. Not being able to get a loyal eUKer to PTO their own country, Vuk01 was the next ideal choice.
So what now?
Its easy to play the blame game and just write articles saying "It's X, Y and Z's fault, death to X, Y and Z!" but we must take it seriously. We need to do 3 things.
Firstly, we need to watch our for the UKPP Congress elections. If it turns out that the PTO is serious, we will need to inform all eUK citizens not to vote for UKPP. So we will need to watch who joins UKPP as well as who is running for Congress under the UKPP banner. Some people will say organisation of votes will not do much but 1 vote could change everything and stop the PTO(just like 2 more votes in the UKPP elections would have stopped Vuk01 becoming PP).
Secondly, we need to find out exactly what happened and ensure it does not happen again. Learn from our mistakes. The New Era Congressmen that played a part in letting Serbians in the country have already been banned from discussions, but if there is any other mistake we made it is essential we stop it happening again.
Finally, we need to remain calm. We have had no official statement from any senior UKPP members as well as the possible PTOer. Don't panic but don't stay silent.
This article was written by CheetahCurtis on the 16th of March 2014. Please subscribe for more great tips and info.
Comments
srbijuuu
Does all smell a little fishy.
Much better quality than mine I must admit. Mine was a heat of the moment article, like most of mine 🙂.
And nice one on the TO admission, I just went for the obvious screenshot, you obviously looked into it quite thoroughly :3.
o/ !!! Yeah ... Doesn't look good 😃
Not voting UKPP isn't as effective as UKPP members organising and moving to say WRP to boost them above UKPP.
I'm sure Huey and the rest of WRP would gladly help UKPP get some seats for Congress, whilst blocking this PTO attempt from getting anything truly beneficial (ie. Congress seats and what they desire most CS passes).
Then once congress is over UKPP members can move back and prepare to reclaim their party.
Just a suggestion mind, but it's the best I've seen so far.
Sorry to see this UKPP and on behalf of PCP we wish you success in whichever route you decide to take!
o7
That is genius, could I add that to my article? I'd like more people to be able to see it.
Of course and it wasn't really my idea, More something said on IRC.
It's really the best option available to deny Vuk01 the chance of running whoever he likes for congress.
Co-ordinated response is definitely the best bet!
I would and I believe the WRP membership would strongly consider supporting the UKPP if it's the will of the majority of the UKPP membership. The UKPP have a great tradition of providing very fine members of Congress and the WRP would be happy to ensure that those representing the UKPP in Congress are those supported by the majority of it's members.
Sorry not to see Rob the Bruce successful in his campaign to become UKPP Party President and like the PCP the WRP wish the UKPP success in whichever route you decide to take.
TUP lets in Serbians, party grows -> Foreign Affairs geniuses.
New Era lets in Serbians, nothing happens -> Evil PTO plot.
UKPP lets in Serbians, get PTOed -> Honest mistake.
We could probally do with a more honest and balanced approch to these things.
I agree, I think the UKPP congress member in particular made a stupid mistake, not a honest one. It doesn't take much to realise the guy isn't a good guy to let in.
I guess we can ban him from Congress also.
If that's what congress believes is right. Then it shall be.
Are you for serious, This guy is clearly a PTO'er with plenty of experience and evidence of doing it in over nations.
He has just taken UKPP out of the hands of UKPP'ers and will use the party to benefit eSerbian interests at the expense of UKPP members.
You realise you have set out exactly how to counter this push for eSerbian immigrants when you said 'balance it out' in the HoC meeting right?
Do you really think, given what has been happening that some very influential and well connected people won't be starting to contact pro Sirius groups to enter into the eUK on mass?
This is a sad sad day for all those of us who enjoyed our grass roots eUK Democracy.
And now we see the beginning of a power struggle that is out of our hands.
New Era - Fantasizing ePolish PTOs into reality since Feb 2014
If New Era hadn't let Serbian PTOers in, he wouldn't have had the voters to win the PP election.
Damn... A dark day for the empire indeed.
Yeah, UKPP also let in the other Serbians who actually voted for him, OH WAIT.
-.-
The disconnect between actions and consequence based on party I listed above actually makes PTO more likely because people (like me) get pissed off by it enough to actually make it happen.
If the "solution" now is to flame New Era players to make yourselves feel better and create punishment, then you'll just harden their resolve to feck you all over since you make a "British UK" look worse than a "Serbian UK".
What is actually needed is some reasonable diplomacy with Hollenboer to stop additional Serbian Congressmen, it's the only thing you guys can do to stop it. The reaction I got to this suggestion on IRC though was spinning it into "omg that's holding a gun to our heads, flame on".
The UKs leadership can either attempt to get some political point scoring out of this via spin, then have to potentially deal with a full scale PTO - or make friends with Hollenboer.
I agree that whenever someone accuses you of something you should get angry and deny that your going to do it, but then do it anyway to prove a point.
Moron.
Not that I believe this is what you're doing, I think what you're really doing is going ahead with your plan to PTO the UK and clutching at anything that happens along the way as a weak excuse.
Hey LF, there is no issue of PTO, you're gonna look very stupid at the end of this. Oh nevermind, there is a PTO. Lay down for hollenbear or face a PTO. u wot m8?
Two points scored, no closer to solving the citizenship issue, well done.
I don't think there is a huge PTO risk but it would prudent to get the issues solved just in case but mainly just to calm down community relations on both sides.
Once is a mistake but more than once isn't a mistake, this is of course assuming that the individual in question made a mistake in the first place.
:genius: : D
oops 🙁
Vuk01 is not Serbian. I mean he is, but he is also a member of the Cipelici (Shoe people) group that is responsible for PTO of eSerbia this summer. He's a traitor to eSerbia and shouldn't be associated with it.
Good luck with the fight against the Shoe people.
Do you have any article links (if you can translate as well that's great) or sources on this?
Haven't you heard about the Hannibal LA affair this summer? Yes, there are many articles, I'll try to find some for you.
I haven't played the game seriously for a few months so don't know what's happened.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Serbia/129790
And many others
http://www.erepublik.com/en/country-administration/Serbia/38
But I thought that the account was sold to an American?
Thanks for this Hostilian. We would all do well to remember that the actions of an individual are not representative of their country or community.
I totally get you man. It's hard to control groups like this and especially in such a big country like Serbia it should be impossible. I mean we know a thing or two about individuals who just want to mess everything up. (Dapper Goku etc)
I'm well aware that the Serbian government does not have any involvement in the PTO attempt and that these individual acts are not and will not be blamed on the country.
I don't like the fact you blame New Era here, blame UKPP for not sorting out their voters, blame people like you who was trying to PTO New Era yesterday , I bet you voted for FightAndproduce ? New Era had players like Rory Winterbourne in and many others trying to PTO New Era 17 votes wasted on a election you was never going to win , if you want to blame anyone blame the current UK government for not defending each party, but they was happy to let Fight and produce in the country to PTO New Era. And by the way this shocked me big time last time I looked Rob the Bruce had it in the bag.
You was all too concern with New Era but if you taken a minute to look at all the runners in the parties you would have found that Serbian guy and put two and two together.
Wow, I actually agree with most of that.
it was even a UKPP congressman that let him in. But of course, because he was not a New Era congressman, he was simply given a warning whereas New Era congressmen accused of the same thing were banned.
only when they let in more than 1 serb
Is this directed at me, or just the community in general? Either way I would like you to know that I openly said New Era Congressmen shouldn't all be banned, and I also haven't said in my article that I believe it is the fault of New Era.
it was directed at the public cheetahcurtis. I'm aware of your voting record in favour of democracy.
I was well up for PTO'ing NE (and protecting other UK partys from you and the people you let in), unfortunately the Gov and other UK party's either didn't have the balls or didn't think it was important enough to stop you. A sad day for the country.
Congratulations though, you and your Serbian 'friends' now have two top 5 party's - you're getting closer to destroying the thing you are claiming to be saving.
another day, another failed attempt at PTOing New Era?
PTO NE = bad
PTO UK = good
Explain your logic? Or are you just going to write 'fighting bullys' as well...
They didn't let me in just to run for election in New Era.
I'm here to stay. I'm not leaving anytime soon.
I didn't run for PP this month {I forgot but had in the back of my mind the fact I'd probably be RN Commander for April] - my bad [1]
I didn't officially back either Rob the Bruce, Sambo911 or PerilousPanther, but presumed one of them would win - my bad [2]
Rob the Bruce had more than 13 votes at 11pm GMT and Vuk was tied in 2nd with Sambo911, PerilousPanther, and BMT on 7 votes. At that stage we had 86 members.
Just after polls closed i noticed we had 93 members & those 7 additional votes had gone to Vuk. You tell me how I was supposed to stop a TO when I was asleep? my bad [3]
PerilousPanther fooked up by letting Vuk in, but your lot let in a multitude of other Serbs, and other ex-Asteria countrymen, to set this up
Last time I looked I had it in the bag as well, UKPP didn't "sort out" the voters because there didn't appear to be a need to.
The congressman that let the guy in, however, wants shot, frankly.
Dapper this is what happens when you think before you write. You actually come out with something worth reading.
There is no need to 'sort out' voters as, if that UKPP congressman hadn't fucked up and if some of New Era hadn't brought loads of his friends in then no party should have an 'official' candidate as that's incredibly undemocratic.
Well it's not if done fairly. You can have a primary vote by party members to determine who the candidate is. It's still democratic, just less risky in times of potential PTO.
I still don't feel that's right as I'm sure there are people who genuinely play, but don't get involved in anything apart from two-clicking and voting who might not get involved with a primary for whatever reason.
Ok...they may be less informed than the more active, but it's still their prerogative to vote as they wish.
Whoever let PerilousPanther into congress wants shooting imo. You can tell he has no clue. All comes down to weak leadership.