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All are money is actually going into MPP's nothing more
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"There Are Rulers And The Ruled .. there is no democracy and there never was..."

I tend to agree with that statement but on a different level.

Point 1: In regards to game mechanics and eRep game rules, it is 100 percent true. We never had any say or inputs to the in game rules/ laws. However, we all for better or worse agree to the rules via accepting the terms and conditions when signing up for this game. If you do not like the rules of the game/ you do not agree with the terms and conditions of the game, you can quit the game. Crying about the rules of the game will change nothing as none of us made the game rules as well.

Point 2: As to the eBE community. You are also correct. We are not a democracy for democracy is impossible. The "people" as a whole will never be fully represented. It is not possible on the practical level as it is both totally inefficient and there are a lack of participation. eBE like many other countries are Republics. We follow a republican model of governance via a representatives where the active members of the society have their say. No one can claim to have the majority or the plurality as there is not enough participation and voter turn out. This is true for all countries in the game. Parties and groups can claim a plurality of the people who voted but never the plurality of a given country. This is why we are a republican government with progressive and democratic ideals, values, and traditions.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfZV4_GqZI

Your rebuttals are as "insightful" as usual...

In the last 7 days, eBe has generated 10,731.96 cc in tax revenue, not much more than the cost of one MPP. You are presently carrying 3. Assuming you have all of your regions all month, which is certainly not always the case, that leaves only a little over 10k for everything else the government might do, including COs in case of attack and any programs you might have to help low level players. Frankly, I am able to generate more income than the whole country by fighting for TP, merc and FF medals and daily training, and this is without fighting against my country's interests.

With regard to the question of democracy, there is a reason this game is called eRepublik and not eDemocracy. The rules are set up for a representative form of government, and all good intentions to the contrary,you are never going to have the majority of players in a country supporting a single program or even bothering to vote on a question. Plato says you have 242 active citizens, of which 53 (less than 22😵 voted in the last CP election. Fhaemita received 33 of those votes, over 62% of the recorded voted, but less than 14% of the total citizens voted for him. eBE is not alone in this, either. In a recent article, I pointed out that the eUS has had a very similar situation (and this in a contest where the Socialist Freedom Party's candidate upset the incumbent, who has won easily in past elections). http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mq-s-opinion-getting-what-you-need-2570275/1/20
Bear in mind, this was an in-game vote following in-game campaigns, and democracy still did not work very well. Players simply aren't motivated enough to make it work, and no amount of rhetoric is going to change that.

1. it's 'to leech' actually, and it's the governments responsibility to keep profits up
2. if one lets himself or herself be bullied into something, then they got what they deserved
3. show me the link to this unofficial forum and to the relevant threads that show how much and to whom they are distributing this wealth.

Congrats .... you are the only one capable of giving direct answers without writing a sea of crap around them. ooo... and you are wrong, the facts have proven that, EBelgioum is dead, you bored the shit out of it. Why you need a link... ?

Where are the facts that prove this? In what way is D9 wrong? Although he may not need a link to the "unofficial" forum, it would be nice to see links to threads that show the supposed forum elite are channeling funds to themselves and their friends, and how much in funding. I submitted facts in my comment, facts that you can find in-game. eBE does not have a large amount of income, and what there is, is not worth stealing. Top players could easily make more money for themselves by going to the right countries and/or MUs outside Belgium That is a fact. Those who are staying here are not doing it for money.

Then why are they scared to loose their power? If their is nothing to leech? We all know that they took it all... it all becan with The Boost Your strenght... former president Goopy Pants even admitet that all of you where stealing true tax theft... and you still are... the only thing that you regret is the fact that there is almoast no one to leech from.

I'm not sure who "you all" is. I have not had any eBelgian money in my possession since I left eBE, at which point I handed over what I had been asked to hold as a bank manager, which was not my idea and not my preference in the first place. And I have no idea what GoopyPants said, but that is a lie. I have never stolen anything from eBE, and I am confident that most if not all of the people you are accusing could truthfully say the same. With regard to the Boost Your Strength, I avoided using it, but those who did use it were not stealing. They were making legitimate use of a government program available to all citizens who followed the protocol to improve their strength, which made them more valuable to the country as a whole. Who is "they" and what exactly did "they" take. You are making allegations with backing up any of them. I would also submit that you have it backwards. Most high level players give far more than they get, often sharing what they have obtained with their own RL money, to make their country stronger.

Boost your strength and the days of goopy pants are years ago. You are living in the past

The Boost Your Strength program. That was implemented in a time when strength mattered ( a little ). The game has developed to a point where strength and age are totally irrelevant. Look at the insane powers in the lower divs.

eRepublik=ePacks

I too did not enjoy the benefits of that program, although I later proved that I was able to rival most participants of that program. A decision was made, period.


eBe is indeed dead, as are most countries really. The game became boring due to changes made by the developers.

Who remembers the bot buying of the market? The amount of time I and some others invested in buying cheap and selling expensive to the bot on the eBe market so tax income was high .

You avoid my questions and refuse to admit that tax money was never distributed ingame.

You are still going on about things that happend years ago. Maybe instead of things that (according to you) happend years ago move past those and try and be constructive instead of obstructive.

You are doing the same and you are still in controle... therefore nothing changed. The only thing that changed is that manny people left.

Vincent EL Presidente 😃

more comments then votes = shitty article

The concreet proof is verry clear... look at who is in power for over 8 years now. Look at what they are doing to stay in power...., they allready killed every rebel player, demotivated people like AVegan, GW Junior shadow Linoleum and manny more "their intations where only to unite us al' ... Never the less they keep fighting to stay in charge and empty the state treasure..., BYS1, BYS2, the para elite those shere all programs that cost us al big amounts of GOLD... NLSP even bankrupt us al Twicel!!! It seems like this a fun game for them in power, the daily GOLD amount for those thiefs is the bigest for every ERepublican!!!

BYS1, BYS2, the para elite where years ago when we had a lot of income and distributed to others. Why do you keep hanging on to the past?

Because you where and still are in controle of it all... and ypu are still leeching on tax money.

Vincent, how am I leeching on tax money? Come with a actual argument instead of unbased attacks. All money we earn goes to MPP's we sign nothing else. We do not have more money to spend

Typical Vincent Pain articles, lots of rhetoric with vague terms like " big amounts of GOLD" while never discuss real numbers while ignoring the facts and numbers provided. I am not convinced that VPN is interested in a factual and logical political discourse. All he is interested in, is "self inflicted victimization" so he can rally his troops against his imaginary "boogeyman elites."

http://www.erepbelgium.com/sitemap21.xml

So 2012, most of those are almost 4 years ago.

I do not see any abuses here. Anyone can ask for excess resources and the government can grant or decline the request. Most request was to aid new members of the community. Just because you are anti-forum and refuse to use it and did not get what you want does not make it corrupt.

Once again, you have no case...

You took a lot of our taxes i see... after EBE was bankrupted you left Belgium and you came back when the ressesion was over.

Your tax dollars? I exposed your tax dollars claim in the past. Headhunters MU worked min wage and even assuming all of your members worked in a given day, your whole MU paid less than 1 cc a week. You have no right to claim for tax dollars as you contribute almost nothing. The people who asked for the loans are those who directly help the community. The borrowed money is to aid community efforts and were always paid back in full. Many cases even with interest. So you have no claim to anything. I will give you 100 cc as your "claim" to your portion of the tax if you end this nonsense y 100 cc will be more than the contributions of your MU's lifetime.

You can give us 100 000 CC and i wil write an interview about your confession in stealing from EBelgium.

Typical VP making up things and never discuss the facts. Dismiss data you do not like, repeat lies over and over again. Shouts rhetoric as loud as you can . You should work for Fox News.

Words without a valid argument will remain simple words and acusations. Actually, you can`t prove anything because there is nothing to prove. You are upset that you think the gov is stealing the money you could have stealed. Nothing more...

People who place words or thoughts in other peoples mouths and believe it... to argue with them is waste of time.

Vincent... then why are you trying to waste time?

It has been very obvious to me for very long time eBelgium Treasury and eBelgium State Funds have been manipulated and misused for private purposes.

Although I have only one evidence of such a misuse, I believe there were many more in the past.

We'll fight to the end to correct this injustice.

Is time for change our political and social system, let's install communism as social, political, and economic ideology, one new movement with ultimate goal the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes

The next Dictator will have only this uggly name, in reality the power go to people 😃
Is not fair the exclude old players as Vincent Pain, Aries, me 😛

Liberation tic tac tic tac

yo... been a long time

Hmm, for some reason the main argument is always against the government. We spend money results in "EVIL ELITE SPENDING MONEY FOR THEMSELVES BLABLABLA"

We keep the money "EVIL ELITE KEEPS MONEY FOR THEMSELVES BLABLABLA"

Please tell me how you want to spend the tax money we make? We are currently using what little we get each month for MPP's and even those require a generous donation, else we are stuck to 1 MPP per month really. Lots of MPP's would mean lots of potential battles where we can fight, oh yes, a single MU with active CO's makes more damage than Belgium alone (and this is not even including the fact that many of us don't even fight)

Use it for CO's: The little money we have would disappear in an instant because CO's are expensive and the amount of money we would have to use to get enough damage to win battles would be insane (since little income and little damage output).

Give it to the people: What are the requirements, on which ways do you want to give it to them. Is it fair that a barely active account gets money so that this money sits around there wasted, no, we'd be better of burning the money since that would give Belgium the benefit of being warm over the winter.
People that fight? Well the list is small and "full of elites", people that are politically active or in general active ? Well, the list is very small as well.

How do you want to organise that? Via articles, PM? Yes, that will be incredibly easy to figure out 1. Who is Belgian, who received the money, who used the money, how to backtrack the usage. Added to it is that nobody will find these things back since big PM's get messy really fast (so do articles) and there is literally no moderation (which is necessary to avoid people being idiots, ffs a eBritish CM spoiled Star Wars in their CM PM).

So how do we solve that, well a forum or anything external like gdoc sheets, reddit, anything but since it is external, you are going to complain about it.

tl;dr Strength doesn't matter anymore, CO's do. We have not even close to enough money for CO's nor can huge amount of MPP's help us. So we have money we can't really use because both options of spending it are pointless in our current position.

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