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The Austrian Central Bank is the official bank org of Austria, and has been so for at least 6 years. Where would you suggest money be donated to, if not the official bank?
No one can find that CC or gold on the ACB robber:
http://m.erepublik.com/en/economy/citizen-accounts/1401218
Currency Owned
Gold 0.20
ATS 4.58
National banks in eRepublik typically put their money into the monetary market, in order to make a profit. This has been the procedure here for at least 6 years certainly, and I suspect longer than that as well (and in probably every nation).
Oh yeah, no public budget, no money, no gold in the ACB, only empty words from one of the biggest robber.
I want to be clear here: are you disputing that money is placed onto the monetary market by national banks?
As well: I have never robbed anything. I've never been interested in accumulating money here (or clearly as you can tell from my account, even on "leveling up.") I have never been MoF, and while I was president would not even have access to the bank account (I would not ask for access from the admins either).
When a president requests access this way, it is something that becomes public very fast as the MoF would (by necessity) lose access -> this is how we knew when cyberkoc requested access and emptied the bank, because the MoF lost access. This event serves as a reminder yet again that we have to be careful about who is trusted as CP - it is a very important role with the potential to do harm.
(and just to be clear to those less familiar with the incident, it occurred in October 2014. Since then, people have indeed been more careful.)
Your robber gang stole all money of eAustrina community years ago.
What do you lie here?
Where are the budget and the responsibility about the money of the community?
Think about what you are arguing here: if all the money was stolen years ago, how could cyberkoc have stolen it in October? The fact is, there was a lot of money for him to steal. The previous time before cyberkoc stole was years earlier in 2009, by a Croatian PTOer who likewise betrayed peoples trust.
The procedures put in place after that theft (in 2009) were, again, good procedures: namely, the president is not to have direct access to the bank. However, some time after this the admins changed the way organizations work: official organizations are linked to the president, who may request access to the bank from the admins as a part of game mechanics.
So, if a president wants to do this, there is nothing that can be done to stop them. But it leaves a trail of evidence (it can be determined that the org has its information changed, and only the president can do that - and admins can be rule out hacking).
I do not see the link about your article for the eAustrian people, and for the eHungarian people about your CP robbing.
I do not see any bublic budget, public communication years ago.
Why?
I did not see it because there is no such article.
Neither here, nor in eHungary.
I see only empty words, lies and b#llsh{ts from you, and from your robber gang too.
Please give us link about facts, about public accounts, about public eAustrian budgets, abut paybacks from cyber and from your robber gang!
If this is all you see, I kindly ask you to take another look. I have provided you with answers on multiple occasions, which if I do say so myself, have been rather detailed, about procedures and historical facts. I would like to think that they warrant a response other than a copy-paste of a previous comment, but that is up to you of course.
I do not see the link about your article for the eAustrian people, and for the eHungarian people about your CP robbing.
I do not see any bublic budget, public communication years ago.
Why?
I did not see it because there is no such article.
Neither here, nor in eHungary.
I see only empty words, lies and b#llsh{ts from you, and from your robber gang too.
Please give us link about facts, about public accounts, about public eAustrian budgets, abut paybacks from cyber and from your robber gang!
i was sure that.
No public eAustrian budget years ago.
Your robber CP cyber steal more than half million CC and use against eHungary on side of the enemies of huns.
No one CC was payed back until today.
Now your robber dictator steals another millions.
What kind of gamer who steals money from the game, from the community robbers?
Has anyone ever betrayed your trust? I think the answer is yes - it is not a nice thing when it happens. When someone betrays your trust, that does not mean you are guilty too, and I am sure that you know this. The fact people are not always honest in this game (and life) is why one must learn the lessons of the past, and try to be smarter moving forward about where trust is placed.
Ultimately, people should be judged by their own actions. Austria and Hungary have been allies for the entire game, we continuously have worked together. We recently signed a treaty to lend regions to Hungary in order to help them achieve additional resources (and help their economy). You voted against this treaty and made your opposition very public.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/volksabstimmung-kongress-referendum-congress-2499269/1/20
I would not use this as an argument that you are anti-Hungary, I am sure you have your reasons to oppose such actions of cooperation. But I think, for you to argue that we are anti-Hungary, when clearly the evidence points in the exact opposite direction, is utterly baseless.
I write about facts.
Cyberkoc was your candidate, your robber gang elected to CP him.
He stole money from the Austrian community and used against the Hungarians, when enemies fought against huns on Budapest and lost their capital.
You should never be assumed responsibility to you, you did not ask for forgiveness from the Hungarians, not eAustrian gamers, the people, who your CP robbed.
You and cyber not to pay for any of the stolen money.
Now you do not, but you're lying here about me.
In that month, he was the only person nominated to run for president who accepted the nomination. You were nominated to run, but refused to run. Maybe if you had accepted the nomination, the outcome would have been different. Do you accept responsibility for the theft, because you did not accept the nomination?
Do I accept responsibility for the theft, because I could have run for president as well - maybe this could have changed the outcome? No, because I know that is not how it works. The responsibility for the theft doesn't lay with the people who maybe, could have done something to change the course of events. It lays with the person who actually committed the theft - just like in real life. You don't blame the victims of a crime (maybe someone should have had security in their home, maybe they should not have walked down that particular street). Responsibility for a crime, lays -only- with the person who commits the crime.
With this all said, that doesn't mean there can't be lessons learne😛 one of which is to be more cautious about who is the president. We already had procedures for who had access to the bank, which were good procedures, but game-mechanics enables a president to overrule them if he truly wants (and in this case, he did).
I have asked forgiveness for mistakes, and times that I could have done more. I don't claim to be a perfect person and would be foolish to do such a thing.
You are layer: we have another - alternative - CP candidate, not only this robber was on the voting list.
The tief was YOUr candidate and your robber gang was elected him, not me, not the tigers, not the NF.
You destroyed eAustria, destroyed the congress and the commuity have not possibility impeach your robber CP.
This is your fault, not my, or not tigers, NFs fault.
Because this facts you and your robber gang must accept the responsibilty for cyber and the robbing of cyber and the 548.000 CC CO against eHungary.
I do not see the link about your artivcle for the eAustrian people, and for the eHungarian people.
Why?
I did not see it because there is no such article.
Neither here, nor in eHungary.
I see only empty words, lies and b#llsh{ts from you.
Please give us link about facts, about public accounts, about public eAustrian budgets, abut paybacks from cyber and from your robber gang!
As a reminder to you, at this point in time (October) the parties were in agreement about holding a primary, in which they would support the winner. You were nominated as a candidate (and had the option to nominate another candidate as well.) You refused to participate, as is your right. But it then rings hollow when you will criticize others for not running, when you yourself refused to run, or even nominate someone.
This is a case, however, of would-have, should-have, could-have. I do not ask you to take responsibility for the theft, even though you could have accepted the nomination, or nominated someone else. The responsibility for the theft lays with the actual person who actually stole.
You are layer rangie:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/presidential-elections/33/1412492400
We have another candidate, not only the your thief cyber.
Again, in this time (October) most of the parties were conducting a primary process where anyone could be nominated, and then the winner of this primary would support that winner. You were nominated for the presidency, and you refused this nomination. You also had the opportunity to nominate someone else (such as Zoltan), but chose not to.
I am not criticizing you for this, simply explaining that this was the process that led to cyberkoc being chosen by the parties: he was the only choice presented to them in the nomination process that existed. It is not surprising that the winner of this process was supported by most people, though a good number still supported ZoltanB.
You are layer: we have another - alternative - CP candidate, not only this robber was on the voting list.
The tief was YOUr candidate and your robber gang was elected him, not me, not the tigers, not the NF.
You destroyed eAustria, destroyed the congress and the commuity have not possibility impeach your robber CP.
This is your fault, not my, or not tigers, NFs fault.
Because this facts you and your robber gang must accept the responsibilty for cyber and the robbing of cyber and the 548.000 CC CO against eHungary.
While I have already posted a response to this exact comment of yours, there is one aspect I want to say again: I am not blaming you, the NF, or anybody except cyberkoc for the theft. Let me make this clear: I do not blame the fact that you refused the nomination, for causing cyberkoc to steal.
@ Rangeley: You do realize that moneky boy is just copy-pasting the same gibberish over and over again? Also I don't think he ever developed the ability to grasp meaning from reading, 😛
Why I must answer with another words to the same b#llsh}t, to the same lies?
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CEROVINA and Eheslo prove again that they are know really nothing about eRepublik.
The money will be on a save spot and will be used for the community, but not the Kuruc Community and not other PTO communities. The money will also get used if one of our allied nations needs help from us, like it was done before.
This is empty words without public budget and links about this.
You stole the money of eAustrian community years ago without this basic communication and pay-off.
Maybe we just have different ideas about the meaning of hollow words. I consider it hollow words to ask for a public budget, when you have previously dismissed public budgets when they have been provided to you, and surely would do the same to any new public budget.
The truth is, you have a set narrative which you will stick to - you do not allow facts to get in your way. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that - different people play this game for different reasons. But I can hardly blame people for choosing not to indulge you in your circular requests and arguments. Not everyone finds enjoyment in it - and I don't think there is anything wrong with that either.
This is empty words without public budget and links about this.
You stole the money of eAustrian community years ago without this basic communication and pay-off.
The fact there was so much for cyberkoc to steal, shows that the money was not stolen years ago: it was hardly even spent. That very thriftiness and competence of monetary management is unfortunately why so much was available to him.
And to re-iterate, it was our policy then, as now, that the CP is not given direct access to the bank. The only reason he gained access, is because he submitted a ticket to the admins. Game mechanics link these orgs to the president, so none of our "rules" or "regulations" can override this. This is why it is so important to make sure that on top of good systems, there are good, trustworthy people as president (and truly in all levels of government).
This is empty words without public budget and links about this.
You stole the money of eAustrian community years ago without this basic communication and pay-off.
You have supported sinisa for president - he has been your candidate. Do you support the community now as he has? Are his actions, your actions?
Do you know anything about actions of sinisa, against our community?
You mixed him with the türk thief cyber, which was your robber gangs CP, not mine.
Believe me, I have not mixed up anything. I am saying: sinisa has been your candidate. You have endorsed him. In fact here is the screenshot: http://prntscr.com/6ps3to
Does that mean you support him when he supports our community? Are you responsible for his actions, because he was your candidate?
Yes, I have responsibility for my decision, but I am not understand you. Not sinisa was a thief, your elected robber mate was this, cyber, which is a türk, he is not RL Austrian, like you are the same PTO-er RL USRAEL citizen.
Why do not you deal with your own business , your own thief, your own public budgets, your own financial reports?
Where is our eAustrian common money?
Who use the common resources years ago?
Sinisa?
Not.
Me?
Not.
Kurucs?
Not.
Your robber gang stole all money month by month.
Yes of course, you are responsible for your decision to support him, but I was not asking this. This goes without saying. I am asking you: are you responsible for his (sinisa's) actions, because he was your candidate? Do you support all his actions, because he was your candidate? This is my question, because this is the logic you use, in saying we are guilty for cyberkoc's actions.
Yes, I have responsibility for my decision, but I am not understand you. Not sinisa was a thief, your elected robber mate was this, cyber, which is a türk, he is not RL Austrian, like you are the same PTO-er RL USRAEL citizen.
Why do not you deal with your own business , your own thief, your own public budgets, your own financial reports?
Where is our eAustrian common money?
Who use the common resources years ago?
Sinisa?
Not.
Me?
Not.
Kurucs?
Not.
Your robber gang stole all money month by month.
You have not answered my question. You have supported sinisa. Now he has made actions to support the community. Do you support his decision?
I did not answer?
Really?
You push the topic to sinisa.
Why?
Your robber cyber was the thief, you stolen the last issued money from the ACB, not sinisa and not me.
You must hold the responsibility for your decision about the thief cyber, the thief dictator, not me!
Yes, you clearly did not answer. I am surprised you don't see the connection here. You have supported sinisa for president many, many times. Now you call him a traitor. Are you responsible for his betrayal of you, because you supported him?
Of course not. You are wrong that I am blaming cyberkoc's actions on you with this argument - far from it. I blame cyberkoc for cyberkoc's actions. You blame sinisa for sinisa's actions. Yet while you recognize that you can be betrayed, you seem to have an inability to see others can be betrayed too, and want to place the guilt of cyberkoc's actions on everyone else.
I don't understand it. It seems a casebook example of not throwing stones while living in glass houses. Yet for all your glass, there appears to be not a single mirror capable of self reflection.
I answered to you three times: I hold my responsibility for my decisions. I made fail, when I belive for him about our common fight against your robber gang. He change durong this 200 days, he exhausted.
The main fact: he do not stole anything and he did not make any damage for me, and for the eAustrian community.
Cyber did. Cyber robbed the common money for the fight against eHungary.
Are you hold the responsibility for your robber CP cyber?
Not.
You are hypocrite.
You push the topic from your robber gang to me, to sinisa.
We do not have any power, any common money.
Your robber gang had have years ago.
Your words are empty, without public budget and links about this.
You stole the money of eAustrian community years ago without this basic communication and pay-off.
"I answered to you three times: I hold my responsibility for my decisions."
This was not my question. I did not ask if you hold responsibility for your decisions. I asked if you hold responsibility for all the actions of sinisa, because you supported him for president many times. I know the answer to this question is no: of course he is responsible for his -actions-, just as you are responsible for your -actions-. And yet you hold others to a completely different standar😛 you hold them responsible for the actions of others.
"Are you hold the responsibility for your robber CP cyber?
Not."
He is responsible for his actions. This is an exact illustration of your hypocrisy. You hold others to a standard you would never apply to yourself, because if you did, that would mean by default you support the Austrian community as he does.
"You are hypocrite.
You push the topic from your robber gang to me, to sinisa."
I hope you can see this is all the same topic, about who is responsible for their own actions. The correct answer is: we are responsible for our own actions. You recognize this for yourself, yet you do not recognize this for others. You attempt to apply guilt by association to others. This is hypocrisy.
"Your robber gang have [stolen] years ago."
The very fact there was so much money for cyberkoc to steal in October shows that the money was not previously stolen. In fact, it was barely spent at all, and the MoF had been very successful in turning a profit. You like the phrase, empty words, but it is your words that ring empty when they are utterly unsupported by the facts. Copying and pasting cannot will untruths into reality, nor does it iron out the inconsistencies in your own argumentation.
Why do not you deal with your own business , your own thief, your own public budgets, your own financial reports?
Where is our eAustrian common money?
Who use the common resources years ago?
Sinisa?
Not.
Me?
Not.
Kurucs?
Not.
Your robber gang stole all money month by month.
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Oh look who is now crying like little girls after they saw their last chance for a PTO passing by 😃
I sincerly hope you stay in eAustria so you can witness your humiliating defeat over and over again. This will be some very funny months for me 🙂
nebrin vas pto ce nestati brzo a mi ostajemo zauvjek
You not win anything robber, because eAustria is weaker than ever, no bonuses, no territories, no citizens.
Your robber gang stole all money.
This is not success for your robber gang and not fair game for the eAustrina community.