The endless wars with Ireland
Thomas765
Since 2009, the UK has been in a relatively constant state of war with Ireland, with the exception of most of 2012, where peace was forged. The main focus of this article is the current period of war and the prior cold war, which began in December 2012.
The status quo of November
The peace treaty forged between the UK and Ireland had existed from March and had initially included a region swap which saw Ireland possess Scotland and Northern Ireland from the UK and the UK obtaining Dublin and Louth from Ireland, both for the added bonus of +20% FRM production. Due to the relative instability of the deal, in particular with mercenary groups targeting the other nation's RWs, the deal was changed to a simple NAP (Non-Aggression Pact).
As a result of the NAP, Ireland had no way to go to war as they are allied to the USA and Canada, which meant that true patriot medals could not be obtained by the population. As with most periods without war, it most likely caused stagnation in Ireland's society and boredom. However, while there was no war going on, there was an intense alliance debate going on in Ireland over their own membership of EDEN. The reasoning behind this was lack of faith in EDEN's HQ over the future of the alliance. As one of the few countries in EDEN that was not under constant threat of war, Ireland were able to help allies and see first-hand the effects of the war without much concern for their own country at the same time. Several prominent citizens of Ireland became concerned with the state of HQ, in particular over Nenya's presence, who had a personal grudge against then MoD, MUFC. And so in December, Ireland voted to leave EDEN.
Meanwhile in the UK, BigAnt was elected as country president, who wanted to maintain the status quo between Ireland and the UK - peace...
Cold war
Essentially, this is what I'm calling it as relations began a downward spiral since around mid-December. Ireland were in desperate need for a war and as such organised a training war with Canada. However, on two occasions, UK having a real war with Canada, blocked both attempts for them to have a training war - first time before the battle of Azores and the second time starting a battle in Newfoundland and Labrador when Ireland was declaring Canada as Natural Enemy.
Excerpt I just found from an article from the CP of Ireland in December
To rectify the situation, a training war between Ireland and the UK began. However, relations remained slightly low as the Irish were and remain to this day distrustful of Big Ant, often comment in their public channel if we had "impeached him" yet.
Blue and Evil's CP term
Mid way through Blue and Evil's CP term, a training war with Ireland was proposed and passed. There was no difference between this training war and previous ones, except with the fact that Ireland was choosing to go to CUA - alliance between Colombia, Uruguay and Argentina, the latter of which had been threatening the UK with an airstrike for several months. So while it would've remained a normal training war as those of the past, this one was marked with relative suspicion on both sides which most likely ultimately led to Blue and Evil making it an official war.
The Irish congress decided not to end the training war when it was due to end, so Blue and Evil decided to escalate the situation and declare war on Ireland. Whether or not this was necessary or not is open to debate but the war would still have existed between the two nations regardless of whether or not he wrote that article. On a personal level, I believe writing that article was a mistake but wouldn't have prevented the inevitable.
Who's to blame?
If anything, it is my belief that war was inevitable between the UK and Ireland once again.
Ireland: The Irish congress refused to end the training war when it should have and thus created the current war with Ireland. Had the Irish congress ended the training war, the UK would not have declared war. In addition, their membership of CUA had caused a bit of concern in the UK as a result of the "alliance's" affiliation with Argentina.
United Kingdom: The president of the UK declared war on Ireland after the Irish congress had rejected the end of the training war. A more tempered, patient and understanding reaction from the UK would most likely have been appreciated by the Irish government, who for months had to put up with the same non-sense from the UK's congress. The UK was also running out of war possibilities as a result of France's NAP, Canada's non-existence and Norway's wipe, so it could be argued that the CP of the UK was looking for an excuse to start a short-term front.
Argentina arrives
Ireland signed peace on the eve of the day Argentina airstriked the UK, then promptly declared war. The president of Ireland used Northern Ireland as a reasoning for the war. For the first time since April 2012, Ireland was in a position of temporary power over the UK, attacking and winning both Northern Ireland and Scotland, not without failures along the way though, with Wexford and Louth being conquered on several occasions by the British.
Argentina's presence allowed Ireland to feel a relative sense of security in the war between the UK and them. They were at war with the UK and finally had some support. While the UK was focusing on Argentina, they were secure in Northern Ireland and Scotland. However, Argentina's stay in the UK would only be a short term thing, so it can be argued that the invasion of Britain by Ireland was done on impulse rather than on long-term, effective planning.
With Argentina gone, Canada wiped and France at peace with the UK, Ireland is left alone in the war. As a result, the UK has been able to obtain all original regions back from hostile forces and has been able to conquer three regions from Ireland. As I write this article, the UK is attacking Shannon having won the resistance war in Louth.
The future
As it currently stands, peace is not an option between the two nations. The president of the UK intends to wipe Ireland and refuses to negotiate even white peace while MUFC992 is president of Ireland, as evidenced below:
Several negotiations have failed, as MUFC has stated in his most recent CP update. Meanwhile, a respected member of the Irish community has started an impeachment:
The president of Ireland has used the threat of using CoT MPPs against the UK, which would be an absurdly disloyal thing to do given they were granted membership into CUA (or CUAI). So ultimately, the future of Irish diplomacy will also hang in the balance.
As for the future of the war, it will really depend on who is elected as country president next week in both countries. For as long as MUFC is president of Ireland and Jimbo as President of the UK, the war will remain unless both CPs change their attitudes.
Personally...
The worst move in this whole mess was for the Irish CP to offer 100 gold a month for Northern Ireland as the high starting terms for peace has meant that just white peace between the UK and Ireland simply won't do in Jimbojoy's eyes. While white peace existed before, this time round there is a general sense that Ireland should be punished and that is the intention of the UK government.
I want the war to end and for friendly relations to resume. With Ireland as a friend, we can not only maintain cordial relations but help both countries secure a border just incase shit hits the fan. We don't need a permanent war in the British Isles as we have done for the last three years. We, unlike Ireland, are more lucky in that we are surrounded by more countries in which we can to war with - Norway, Netherlands, Canada (when they spend less time being irrelevant) etc.
Comments
Long article is long... but not as long as the average Keers article.
Blue and Evil spoilt that peace of 2012!
No he didn't.
Here's a huge article explaining how a majority of it is MUFC's fault, among other things.
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/truth-is-treason-in-the-empire-of-lies--2231807/1/20
Votado,why u no let anyone get the first comment??????
Why does it matter?
How can I ever be first to vote when you do it yourself?
Now I will read 😛
I like being first comment on my own articles : 3
"When they stop being irrelevant"
Oh Canada, I miss you ❤
As long as Ireland and the UK are in different alliances it will always be difficult to obtain peace but we have done it before and we will do it again when the right people are in power it can happen.
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Hi Thomas.
With the forthcoming World War I don't think there is any point behind a NAP. Everyone is going to take the opportunity to attack TWO once the gloves are off.Geographically, you are not in a good place.
We never have been.
I suggest people read this article for greater perspective (though everything below the Anglo-Irish War bit is dubious): http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/History_of_Anglo-Irish_Conflict
As for peace, the old maxim stands; Ireland unfree will never be at peace. Both the nationalist and anti-colonialist genies are out of their respective bottles. Only way we are never going to fight again is alliance, and the price of alliance would undoubtedly be Northern Ireland.
you can feck of, the Northern Irish don't want you lot. and neither do we.
The Northern Irish don't really want you either 😛
they prefer us to you lot q:
that probably came across harsher than I intend for it to be q:
Sadly, those terms are contradictory. Alliances are built on friendships, and friendships don't tend to thrive when one side is demanding something that belongs to the other.
I like Ireland, but I have never understood the view that NI should be yours in order to achieve peace. In my view, surrendering original regions would be something that pretty well ensures a return to war in the long term. That goes for most any country, not just the eUK
Not really; without NI as an objective, eIreland essentially has no purpose. Asking us to have peace with you without NI is essentially asking us to abandon existential purpose as a country, not to mention to ignore the blatant lack of recognition on the part of the admins that the area is somewhat contested.
British people don't care about NI in reality, there is little reason why you should care in-game.
I concur, and this is why Ireland and the UK have been at war for so long, because effectively NI is the only real prize that you guys can achieve at the moment. That is why i suspect that long term peace is not going to happen. The trouble is that the conflict of interests is far too great between our nations unfortunately, which is a great shame but I can't see another solution.
I'm not going to go into the RL aspect of your comment as I try play this game without RL influence as much as possible. It is sufficient in my eyes to say that NI is our original region in game and leave it at that.
They should grow some balls and attack spain or'murica : P
Also they should dampen down on the IRA and united ireland material, i hear enough about that in RL : P ...but this mainly comes from people who don't live on the island in RL.
wrong view there matey we prefer to be loyal to the crown
yea, about sums it up. REPARATIONS
Not a penny, not a gun. The war continues.
DEATH OR VICTORY!!!
An insightful account from someone who has proven to be an honest broker in Anglo-Irish Affairs.
A couple of observations if I may:
Hank Scorpio's impeachment proposal is personally motivated. Hank is part of the same anti-MUFC faction that gave us the derpy congress you describe. Personally, I had a lot more respect for him before he started his "all croatians are pigs" trolling.
For an Anglo-Irish war, isn't it awfully quiet? Apart from some light banter here and there, we're not seeing anything like the level of genuine bitterness we shared in the good old days. On both sides, this campaign is being conducted from the head as opposed to the heart. The calmer atmosphere unquestionably gives the leadership of both nations more room to manoeuvre in their dealings with each other. I believe both CP's are capable of reaching a reasonable settlement if the opportunists allow them the space to do it.
That said, I wouldn't read too much into the absence of vitriol and I expect our two countries will remain on opposing sides for the foreseeable future. The anti-MUFC faction did openly pursue an agenda of aligning Ireland more with CoT/TWO but were unsuccessful, despite being a very influential group of players. I think they failed to account for the high value that is placed on loyalty among the eIrish community. We could be persuaded to leave EDEN at a push, but we had little stomach for turning on our friends. As a longtime observer of discourse in the eUK, and I say this without rancour, I am struck by the contrast.
UK discussions on such topics tend to be more analytical, rational, dispassionate, with fewer appeals to patriotism or emotion. Of course this is a generalisation.
I like you more with each of your comments that I read!
That's because to them, we're a pain in the ass rather than a mortal enemy. Nationalism in Ireland guarantees a certain degree of passion on our side.
Thus spoke the Serb. Is the grass greener on that side James? You don't impress me with your fine words, carefully constructed sentences and appealing phraseology. Not for me the logic and cautious reasoning. no, I'll keep my knee-jerk reactionary garbage close to my chest thank you very much
Dutch langer!
"Meanwhile, a respected member of the Irish community has started an impeachment"
I wouldn't call Hank Scorpio a respected player in Ireland tho... Otherwise, there are some good points in your article, others are debatable, however.. : ))
I was basing my opinions on him from a few months back when he was, I think, a great government worker. Can't remember if he was MoFA or not.
Wow, someone explaining why I was a terribad CP instead of just calling me terribad CP then going silent when I asked why. Bravo!
You weren't that bad if I'm being honest. This month hasn't been terribly great 😛
You were S****
CUA (or CUAI, actually) is not an alliance.
If Irelands wants to sign MPP's with COT, and they think it's on their best interest...
I, personally, see no problem with it, for it would clearly help the international situation.
It would be sad if Ireland did so. CoT is not a worthy alliance
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You must be new.... lol
Well sorry. I have a special hate for the Polish with me being an ex German.
You're right. all those times in history, when they were invaded or occupied by Germans, they should have capitulated more quickly. It was rude not to do so! Offensive actions indeed! ; )
p,s, Please don't take my reply too seriously. I love Germany. It's my second favourite country! : )
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