The Economist ~ Notes on Portugal and Slovenia
Spite313
Dear friends,
Most of you are aware that there has been tension these last few weeks between Slovenia and Spain. Spain recently went to war with Portugal, and during the conflict Slovenia lent moral and military support to Portugal. This caused some conflict as obviously the Spanish were not happy that one of their allies had effectively declared war on them via proxy, and throughout the conflict Slovenia made official statements condemning Spain and supporting Portugal. I read the latest of such statements today, and for me it’s the final straw.
Let me be clear here: TWO was founded as a military alliance, our mission statement (such as it is), is to go forth and conquer the world. The clue is, after all, in the name. More precisely this means the pursuit of war to bring us more bonuses, more strategic control of space, and to deny our enemies access to resources and the money which comes with them. This is our absolute mandate and the principle which has kept us united since formation.
Let me just post a quick quote from Howly who represents Slovenia:
“Since Slovenian government cannot support an act of aggression without a proper casus belli, any kind of support to Spain, even if it is in the same alliance as we are, is morally wrong. I am referring to the attack on Portugal.”
Now this is Slovenia clearly stating it will not support war without a proper casus belli (which means case for war for the linguistically challenged). But what exactly is a legitimate casus belli? This is a war game, so the only argument for or against war is the benefit it brings to the country launching the war. For example if Germany was attacked by Poland, you could argue that was an act of aggression since it’s unlikely Germany would provoke Poland into a war it knew it would lose, but nobody would argue there was no casus belli - the casus belli was that Germany had resources Poland wanted, simple as that.
Now let us take another example- the UK wars with Norway and Finland. In this case there was no resource that we needed from those countries, it was simply an exercise. We wanted to have a fight on home soil so we attacked. In this case there are no good reasons at all for the attack other than we felt like it, but of course no country in TWO would MPP Norway. We might not get priority as it isn’t an important war, but nobody would act against an ally for the sake of an enemy countries “moral right” to exist.
Added to this of course is the inevitable hypocrisy of Howly. Both Switzerland and Italy are long term occupied nations which are mostly held down by Slovenia. No country in TWO, including Spain, denies that this is their right as a member of TWO, but Switzerland have been desperate for freedom for a long time. Howly claims to want to give these countries freedom, but his own country opposes him in that. I genuinely can’t understand how any country can elect someone so determined to sabotage not only their allies position but make themselves into hypocrites.
Spain’s congress responded with a shot across the bows by almost passing an MPP with Italy. The response was outraged, but of course there is no material difference between Spain MPPing Italy and Slovenia MPPing Portugal. Both actions are dangerous, a threat to TWO and it would be irresponsible for either to pass. The difference is that the Spanish government opposed the MPP with Italy and did their best to reign their congress in, whereas Howly gave tacit support to the MPP with Portugal throughout the vote.
Finally, Howly claims that to occupy a country like that is morally wrong without a legitimate casus belli. In this he condemns all of his own allies. Spain, Serbia, Poland, Romania, Greece- all of them keep countries occupied without seeking to make any peace deals with them. They are not morally wrong to do so because there is no moral code in war in erepublik. Denying countries congress, taking their bonuses, their tax, trying to PTO them - all of these things have been done and are done on a day to day basis by countries around the world, many of them in TWO. I think Howly needs to clarify what his moral code says about the other five allies in his alliance.
Let me conclude by saying that although I’ve spent most of this article showing the irrationality of siding with an enemy against an ally, I’ll finish with the real reason Howly is doing this. He has a personal vendetta against Spain because of disputes between himself and certain of their leaders in the past. He’s using his position as President of Slovenia to try and damage Spain any way he can. It is irresponsible, and is damaging the reputation of his country, amplifying conflicts within the alliance and encouraging other nations to follow suit in the hope of breaking up TWO. I had hoped never to have to publish an article like this, but frankly Howly seems to have no problem splashing the messy internal business of TWO across the media so I feel obliged to respond in kind.
Iain
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Italian mpp should have passed. Slovenia is acting without any honor.
Howly and Slovenia's bluff is called.
Ehm, TWO is not an alliance anymore, just bunch of countries chained by NAP with each other, plus some minor friendships.
Also all of this farce is to kick Spain and take CUA on their place, or to destroy TWO from within.
Kick out Spain and TWO will last for a while longer.
Interesting how people keep assuming "CUA wants in TWO", mate.
Keep them in TWO all you want.
Argentina has no beef against ANY country in TWO.
Not CUA wants into TWO but CUA is wanted in TWO by some states, thats a difference
Argentina is tanking right now against Spain in N Brazil, and Argentina has officially declared its mpp with Venbezuela is "against Spain", so GTFO with your lies.
I'm sorry, you expect us to control what every single argentinian does?
I've seen hundreds of spaniards fight againsst Argentina as well, and very recently as well.
As for Venezuela, they asked the MPP, not us.
And you supported it. How can you complain now?
old the baron, and I doubt people is so stupid that trusts this "I cannot control people" anymore.
but nice try
Well, it worked for smaller countries, so it should work for the biggest one as well. You simply cannot control every single MU outhere. Standings orders are to hit for Romania.
We don't need to be in TWO to help TWO.
We'll assist ANY country in TWO that needs help in ANY battle.
Well you could always just bring Spain and switch to our side ^__^
Me approves.
Miau :3
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Hard vote from me!
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good article!
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Slovenia does not deserve to be a member of TWO.
Good article! V
lol Spanish are treacherous, and you were already occupying Portugal for the bonus that you needed and the access to your colonies, so yes, it was the wrong thing to do, declaring war on Portugal, a pro-TWO country that was giving you what you needed.
Stop with the crap, and admit that you were stupid and greedy, you lost an Empire and possible ally for more 4 regions without special advantages.
Grow up Spain!
How is Spain treacherous? Declaring yourself to be pro-TWO doesn't mean anything. If Croatia declares itself proTWO tomorrow will we not attack them anymore? Please.
Iain if you want to talk, and write, more about the conflict between Portugal and Spain try to read a few more things beyond the bullsh*t that Rolbap and his friend usually write.
''No country in TWO, including Spain, denies that this is their right as a member of TWO, but Switzerland have been desperate for freedom for a long time. Howly claims to want to give these countries freedom, but his own country opposes him in that.''
Right now in this moment, the NAP offer, written by slovenian and swiss representatives, was rejected by slovenian people so yeah, it's mission impossible. Officially this time.
Spain-Portugal agreements fell through similarly, but Spain is not rushing to MPP Switzerland is it? Problem is Howly is having double standards. Nobody has a problem with Slovenia occupying Swiss, and only Slovenia has a problem with Spain occupying Portugal.
I'm not on the same level as Howly about this spanish subject so I'll stay put here. I just wanted to say a few things about this swiss desperation for freedom and how we ''don't allow it''.
You don't allow it.
Miau :3
i agree with the overall thoughts of this article however there is a bit of context missing imo
like the fact that this whole portugal farce is a direct result of Spains meddling with the alliances view of CUA being good for TWO.
i fail to see how Spain MPPing Brazil or Chile is any different to Slovenia MPPing Portugal. both are going against the will of the alliance and its goals of dominating the world as previously stated.
two wrongs dont make a right and i think slovenia is wrong for MPPing portugal however that doesnt mean Spain is suddenly the good guy.
"like the fact that this whole portugal farce is a direct result of Spains meddling with the alliances view of CUA being good for TWO."
Good summation.
Firstly, Spain has not MPP'd either of those countries. Secondly, at the time the geopolitical situation was different (TWO countries were not fighting Chile or Brazil). Thirdly, "They did it so I did it" is not an adult response, and holding mistakes of the past over a country forever is unfair. I don't hold things Aus did 1 year ago over you now, extend Spain the same courtesy.
Iain, mate. Spain is right now saving Brazil's congress. Right when Argentina will have to help Australia against the ex-COT forces.
Just saying. Let's see how this pans out.
It's the first of December. If that is saving congress it is the most premature ejaculation of all time.
Fair enough. Let's revisit this again next 23rd, shall we?
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Argentina/135586
Please...
don't throw stones in glass houses.
We screwed that one, yes. But as long as it keeps Australia free of an indonesian NE, it's worth the 10k CC. If it doesn't work out... well... That will be shortest MPP ever.
The strategy is Spain holding Brazilian regions knowing Arg won't attempt an attack on Spanish-held Brazilian regions, then releasing them pre-congress elections to ensure Brazil get a congress. So yeah, this is Spain helping an ANTI-TWO nation secure a congress, funny that when the argument of proTWO and official TWO is so significant in the Slo-Spa-Port debate.
Hey Tim,
What's up? I just wanted to say Spain stopped signing with Chile when charter changed. When this happened, well, friendship finished between us when they fought for Mexico and the US.
Our friendship with Brazil started with CTRL and, implying eRepublik is a long term game and Brazil will always be our neighbour (natural border), it would be a bit silly not to continue our relations (when they even left the US aside for us).
I must admit some Spanish leaders did certain stuff wrong: internal division in Spain is quite strong and there are not-so-intelligent guys around. They usually take advantage of Spain's population conformism and poor criticism in order to carry out personal related plans, which is obviously extremely shitty and damages the country's international image.
That might be the reason why you think Spain ''is not suddently the good guy''. Miau!
you are right Mininuns and so is Iain, part of my problems are past issues.
it struck alot of Australians hard in the past when just coming out of a long term chilean occupation and recently joining TWO to see Spain MPPing Brazil/Chile.
while that was a while ago, i havent really seen much to destroy these relationships which is i guess where the current issues come up. as Australia has an interest in defending and having to fight Chile and its South American allies seeing a member of TWO being on good terms with them is a bit disheartening. i can understand your reasons for keeping good relations but that doesnt really change our problems with the matter. im sure you understand our concerns.
im sure Australia has probably done some stupid things too when it comes to bad political leaders on that note too xD
i guess it would be nice to see Spain and Argentina work together to keep Brazil congressless this month. im quite certain it would lay down concerns anyone has about Spain and undoubtedly would make myself and howly look like asshats for mistrusting Spain 😉
Oh, don't worry about Brazil congress.
We argentinians will help Spain in their RW against Brazil next 23rd.
To show our appreciation, of course. And they need not to thanks us.
We'll do it gladly.
:3
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Article is missing some of the reasons why the attack on Portugal caused tensions, and focuses some points which in my opinion werent that big of a factor. Off course it doesnt have to include it, but it would make for a more balanced article.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/notes-on-portugal-and-slovenia-official-reply-to-iain-keers-2347471/1/20
Here is my reply, Iain Keers.
Weak reply
Likewise for your article.