Join the new world

*grabs popcorn in anticipation of opinion ping pong*

I will leave Ireland if we join phoenix

ditto, Tom.

Tom and Jacques, why are you so against Phoenix? Would you mind thinking of what your objections to Phoenix and putting it into question form? I think people who are objected to the alliance will pose the best questions as you are the most skeptical.

I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong either. I just want the opinions from all sides so that I can better the articles I will write.

The question that will never be answered.

The only way we will join an alliance is if the entire Dail is assasinated and the president is the only person left with a vote

Haha, I hope that was a joke 😉. Everywhere I go I seem to run into EDEN supporters. Maybe they are a little bit louder then the others?

That can be arranged, patton

Haha!

@Patton...you would be surprised!

@Patton LMAO!!!! I laughed hard at that one. Damn checks and balances. You would think this place is some sort of "democracy" or somthing. 😉

I gotta hand it to ya, Mike, you started off with a very interesting one. *grabs a handful of popcorn from DT*

ha patton

ALL ALLIANCES SUCK in my humble opinion 🙂

Staying neutral sucks too 🙂

i am ageinst Phoenix, come on Eden

Phoenix are one the most aggressive Alliances in the eWorld all Miltary matters can only be approved by the Phoenix high council so like if we wanted a training war only Phoenix can decide to give it to us and if we do not inform them we be kicked out. I dislike the way the High Council has to control every Miltary move the members make its like undemocratic so theres no way I would be in favour of joining Phoenix.

Thanks for that comment Ian, I'll make sure to include it in the article.

Also, due to a comment that was made to me through a message, I am adding the question; Considering we are bordering both the US and Canada, two very powerful EDEN members, how do you plan on defending us from a possible invasion?

Keep the comments coming as they are only making the article to come stronger.

The elephant in the room is that eIreland is bringing RL politics into this game because we only seem to make reactionary decisions (regarding the UK). Whatever the UK does, we tend to favor the opposite. So, one must ask... does the UK control Ireland's foreign policy, or does Ireland?

@ Ian Arbuckle

So what if Phoenix has to approve a training war? Phoenix allies are constantly involved in wars... any qualms about training wars are unfounded.

Also, do you think EDEN would put Ireland in high regard? I've heard some fantasize that Ireland would become a "bro" to the USA; like Canada... which is ridiculous.

If we are to join an alliance, I hope to God it's EDEN. Alliances don't however look like an attractive prospect to me. But, maybe in time we will be forced to decide to join one because it is very difficult for a small nation like ours to go it alone.

@ patton i am plotting such an event, care to help ?

Oooh my favourite discussion, though I have no say as I'm not an eIrish. I go with the popcorn idea. XD

i think that Eden is better solution than a Phoenix

I THINK THAT WE SHULD JOIN FENIX BECAUSE THEY ARE KUL AND I LIK TO THINK THAT I AM ALSO KUL.

Entente, neutral or "bye".

If you want to join an alliance,you can try to have relationships with this alliance😒OL.
it is a very superb alliance and suitable for all country.
You can check about the alliance in wikipedia.

EDEN puts everyone in high regard, I.E Switzerland who is fairly small but has just as much say in the Brotherhood has everyone else. Everyone knows Longbaugh has a Phoenix bias, he lived in Indonesia and fought for them when they invaded America.

@Pip Kelly
I think it's funny say that, because I've personally seen you fight for the eUK against EDEN in an eUK battle. Explanation?

Well the point of this article series is to get the information down without bias. I need people like Longbaugh to give the pros of Phoenix, and to point out the Cons of EDEN. I will be asking EDEN supporters the same once I start writing that article.

what about Sol....

@ John Gormley

Why do you "hope to god it's EDEN?" This just sounds like another string of hay in the haystack that is unfounded EDEN fandom in Ireland.

@ JeepAmerica

I won't lie to you or anyone else. I favor Pheonix. But I do not have a bias toward them. I have gotten on the case of Ireland for making reactionary foreign policy decisions in regards to the UK. Similarly, I don't make reactionary judgment calls in regards to the USA. I've talked with Michael and I've pointed out the pros (and the one con).

Lest we forget, EDEN was started without the United States.

Phoenix is not PEACE GC. And, EDEN is not Atlantis. This time around, EDEN is the oppressive alliance and they're essentially allowing Poland to do whatever the hell it wants to. I mean, Poland gets to attack the UK because the UK attacked the USA back in August? On what planet does that logic work?

Oh, right... on planet EDEN.

Sol didn't seem to be getting as much attention as the other options when I wrote this. Considering you are the second person to request it, I will add an article on Sol as well.

Longbaugh, it seems that you forget that that the USA and Poland were both allies back then. Getting retribution on someone for hurting your friend happens in RL, and it happens in the game, no? Once again, I have to point out, if you are Phoenix, or any country who has hurt a country of EDEN, then you are to expect retribution. Your petty "EDEN is oppressive" talk is as flimsy paper, as so far I've yet to see a single "pro" to be in Phoenix. Phoenix nations all are BOUND by the Secretary General, and literally their countries sovereignty doesn't exist under Phoenix's system. With Phoenix, you have countries that are told, &quot😉o this or we won't MPP with you anymore and let EDEN invade you" like the eUK. Phoenix is, and always will be until EDEN destroys it as it did to PEACE, an alliance dictated by whoever is the most power. In EDEN (read the charter if you want to argue otherwise) countries are free to request anything they need, and all countries have equal representation.
Hmmm, do I want to join Phoenix and BY DEFAULT BECAUSE OF THE ALLIANCE CHARTER become a puppet, or join EDEN and do what I want as long as it isn't detrimental to the Brotherhood.
Take your pick.

I firmly reject the idea of our nation being involved directly with any major alliance.

Independence is necessary, but in a war of grudges dating back six months ago, does one not understand that choosing one side or the other than later down the road we would be the ones screaming bloody murder about the Reighly Treaty or what not. The U.K. is in trouble are we not social-economically bound to the U.K.? We are in the game, but at what cost to our Defense of the little man, like Greece/Turkey some time ago. We are being selfish to think we are NOT currently involved some how.

@ Dan Murchadh

You make an excellent point. And, we share a damn island with the United Kingdom! You'd think we'd come to terms on common interests.

@longbagh the whole sharing thing can be changed...

lol longbaugh is so angry. i think we should all move to china.

Dudes and dudettes, it's your country and your community, but take some advice from a retired politician:

1. All alliances suck, but staying neutral sucks too. At some point, some alliance will muscle in on you so you will choose the other one for defense. That sucks because YOU won't actually make a real choice, but merely play a survival strategy. Better you make a decision now, while you actually have a choice.

2. It's not about the structure or charter of the alliance. As Atlantis turned into EDEN or PEACE into Phoenix without really reshuffling their members, you will find out that structures evolve and alliances change. But PEOPLE don't. Choose the side that has the most people you like and you could work with.

Imagine, for a second, that you choose an alliance, entered some wars, pissed off the "other side" and then, when you are faced with some sort or retaliatory action, your alliance breaks down overnight.

Who would you rather be friends with then?

(sorry for butchering the english language by using inappropriate tense forms)

EDEN is the answer 😃