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Shame on you america - you fight along hungarians, indonesians and serbs
Oh yes that is truth...
Here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show/7972
here is direct link to the battle
American troops fight along with hungarian, indonesian and serbian forces.
Agains who??
Against troops from Poland, Croatia.
We defended your country from those who you fight along today...
no matter your intentions. Shame on you
to those who remember our fights
FLY TO PERU and HELP US DEFEND IT
Here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show/7972
here is direct link to the battle
American troops fight along with hungarian, indonesian and serbian forces.
Agains who??
Against troops from Poland, Croatia.
We defended your country from those who you fight along today...
no matter your intentions. Shame on you
to those who remember our fights
FLY TO PERU and HELP US DEFEND IT
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PERU was ptod , it petitioned to be annexed by the people
you're giving high iron to argentina
it will not help ePeru at all ...
Shame on you ;o
Maybe you know that also Spain isn't supporting your PTO?
"it petitioned to be annexed by the people"
And how many of them are IRL Peruvians? 10? 15? ;]
U.S Fail. not first, not last ;]
ALWAYS...
USA Fail ;o
Looks like Spain isnt to into Peru PTO either..
As usual.
"Maybe you know that also Spain isn't supporting your PTO?" - is this a trick question. Like - Ok, Spain is wrong so we can be wrong too?
USA FTW!!!!!!
@sjohnfsdsxzzx: it is post peace propaganda.
USA Fail
USA betrays its allies yet again.
@Smeciak
Maybe is wrong also the whole EDEN too?
This PTO isn't supported by nobody.
Defend Peru from the invaders!
Peru is not being invaded.. Is Anexed just to Kick Out The Polish PToers..
And Any Country that Defend Peru.. is defending this PToers...
¿is this they way you want South America Join EDEN? ¿Protecting this PToers, Robbers?
Shame on you If you Doit...
The ones who says "Defend Peru" is either a Polish or a multi.
It doesn't matter how many RL Peruvians there are, it's still their country not the PTOers. If the high iron region is lost the PTOers will leave, seeing no more benefit in Peru, and Peru will have it's nation back. America has declared itself against PTO's in general, and this PTO in specific in the past, it is you Poland who has suddenly reversed course and betrayed us. Fortunately we don't consider this a large enough issue to end our alliance over. But don't push it by making this into another opportunity for tools in former PEACE nations to yell FAIL at us. Sit down and talk with the administration rather than posting silly inflammatory articles.
WHAAAAATTTTTT???? o
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Even Croatia denied the MPP.
USA FAIL!!!
Poland fail, forming a MPP with PTO group proving they sanction the PTO.
EDEN forces fighting for Argentina might be betraying Poland and Croatia, but Poland betrayed morality by PTO and robbing a neutral country. Poland also betrayed the US by forcing this to happen, thus losing a loyal iron supplier.
Poland FAIL
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/pt/article/brotherhood-of-eden1-1049536/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/pt/article/brot[..]/1/20</a>
The RL peruvians are suporting this anextion by our latin brothers like argentina and BRazil, we have grow tired of see our NEUTRAL country being robbed in a sistematic way.
WE welcome any help that will make us free from the PTOvers , we don care about which alliance they are as long ythey help us, but be sure, when we return as a country in some motnhs , we eill not forget your help.
REmember that the usa colony in eperu is big, and the have been figthing against the TO along whit us (RL peruvians) , but the polish are a bigger country in population , so tahts why we have to resort to this.
Finally, Poland is doing hte same thing that they hate about PEACE , and every eden country that support this TO will be the same............sadly.
HAIL to de FREEDOM FIGHTERS !!
VIVA EL PERU CARAJOOOOOOOO!!!
Shame on Poland!
Idiot.
Situation is not nearly simple like mentioned in comments, we are helping Poland on personal, not official level, for everything they did for us, because we are allies, brothers, and will always help each other.
To be honest, do I care about Peru?
Do I care about Argentina?
NO
How many of them helped us when we needed help?
How many times they helped you, USA?
And how many times Poland army and civilians helped us both in battles? There are no words to express it.
Those are the questions you should ask yourself.
But situation got even more complicated by agreement made between Spain and Poland...
Helping an ally subdue a neutral country via PTO because they helped you in the past is ridiculous. Is there a debt owed? Of course! If Poland proper is attacked, I'm sure eUSA will help defend/liberate, but that isn't a blank check that can be called upon everytime Poland wishes.
Being in debt doesn't mean you need to compromise morality.
That also doesn't mean you should fight AGAINST ally...
But nevermind, we obviously have different ideas what allies and true friends are. We bled and will always bleed for them who need our help, were it Poland, USA, or any other country.
eCroatia denied the MPP with ePeruu and we dont have any official orders to defend peru.
Some ecroatian citizens and paramilitary forces will go help peru but I will not.
It is personal choice.
ePoland will always have my gratitude and if it is attacked I will defend it (unless my official orders say otherwise)
Decision to do PTO or NOT do it should have been made on EDEN high command level. I am sure there are pros and cons.
And USA citizens should understand that not all countries saying that they are neutral are really neutral...
PTO is legitimate way to fight hostile countries in this game and we should use it accordingly
And here is how TERRIBLE PTO is (adressed from PTO group to Spain)
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-matter-of-peru--1049706/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-ma[..]1/20</a>
Was Peru worth of Poland considering to leave EDEN?
I do not care ATM.
What happened to glory of our alliances? We must remember who we were.
Here you can read whole story about ePeru, it's only on Croatian language, start from middle (headline "Pitanje ePerua", before that are just some tutorials), use Google translate
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-baby-boom-i-razvoj-doga-aja-oko-perua--1050336/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-bab[..]/1/20</a>
Peru was PTO'd and this war is sanctioned by both Argentina and the true Peruvian people.
Also, shame on you, Polish PTOers/thieves.
Just because Poland's a part of EDEN doesn't give its citizens a blank check to PTO others.
Yes, true Peruvians from eSpain and eArgentina
The people of Peru asked to be conquered to remove the Polish (non governmentally organized) PTO, we are fighting in favor of national sovereignty. We will defend your nations from foreign aggression as we did in the past, and we are doing now in Peru. I fully support this decision.
What I find interesting is that the eUS military was never deployed there to the public knowledge, and at this point, no one has stated as such. Perhaps a few of our citizens went there to support the fight, but the eUS officially doesn't support either side in this matter, and as far as I can tell, many of her citizens don't care either way.
Let's get this straight and dispense with some lies. This IS NOT an official operation of the ePolish government. It is a PTO effort by a couple of independent groups that happen to be run by ePolish citizens. Your efforts to spin this as something different are a lie.
The lack of support to the ePolish groups making the PTO effort in Peru is consistent with the policy of the eUSA. Where did you miss the part that the eUSA will support the wishes of the people of each country concerning their government. When the people of ePeru petitioned eArgentina to annex them, it was BECAUSE of the efforts of your mercenary groups.
So let's get this right. You have a couple of private groups decide they wish to PTO Peru because of the high iron there. This is not an economic issue to either country at that time because Peru was willing to sell iron to the USA despit3e pressure on them from PEACE. Peru was one of only two high iron regions to supply the USA (along with Central Greece) during World War III.
So the efforts of these PRIVATE ePolish groups have placed the eUSA in a position where we have to betray a country that has supported us in the past in order to help some private citizens with personal goals? I THINK NOT!
Take your spin and propaganda someplace else where the people are stupid enough to listen. Even the ePolish government does not officially support your PTO. Maybe because your ePolish leaders realize there is more to trust and honor among friends than to use your own greed to place a friend in a bad position. You accuse of of betraying you, but you betrayed us long ago with your greedy actions.
PERU WILL FALL AND BURN.
USA again betray it's allies.i would be ashamed if i'm american. Now we know that you are not reliable
There has not been any orders one way or another for US citizens or military. If Poland asked me to stand with them, I would. They are great allies, but the situation is unclear at best. So, I stand down. Others are free to make their own decisions, but do not say we have betrayed our allies. This will get you no sympathy.
IMO, there is nothing wrong with the PTO of an enemy state. From the limited amount of time I have spent looking into it, Peru is/was closer to the Peace court and I don't buy the "they had no choice" BS. Friends stand up for you even in the face of annihilation, our friends have and we will not forget. Peru is not our friend. But, do the deed and get out. Staying is not an option if this a military operation. Because then it leads to a whole bunch of..... well, you can see what it leads to.
Let's make this simple for people, since apparently there are a number of people that need that to understand.
The PTO effort in Peru is a PRIVATE effort be PRIVATE CITIZENS. It is NOT an official ePolish operation. It was done by a group that wants to PROFIT from taking the resources of another country. Now they are spinning this to make is sound like they are betrayed by Americans.
Let me make this clear. If this were an OFFICIAL POLISH OPERATION then I would be there alongside you and fighting. BUT IT IS NOT.
This is an effort by private individuals to coopt governments into fighting for their own personal agendas. So it is these individuals that have BETRAYED OUR ALLIANCE. They have placed all of us into a position of contention for their own greed. So they have harmed our alliance and friendship for nothing more than a scheme to make some money.
So GET IT RIGHT. The Poles that are PTOing Peru are th eones that are betraying all of EDEN/Brolliance. You are the ones forcing this situation. Just leave Peru to the Peruvians.
Fail article is Fail
"Situation is not nearly simple like mentioned in comments, we are helping Poland on personal, not official level"
Doesn't matter Nexus.
If the Polish government didn't support this they should NOT have made the MPP with the PTO government... period. But they did. Providing all the evidence needed for the Polish governments intentions.
"That also doesn't mean you should fight AGAINST ally..."
It does if the country involved is a supporter of the USA.
Poland is at fault every which way with this and is just making false excuses.
POLAND out of PERU!!!!
"The PTO effort in Peru is a PRIVATE effort be PRIVATE CITIZENS. It is NOT an official ePolish operation. "
The MPP proves that is not true Tomas.
POLAND out of PERU!!!!
Stop POLAND's lies!!!
Here are several things to consider:
1. Argentina is friendly with PEACE and so is Brasil.
2. Person saying he speaks for native Peruans is only speaking in his own name, unless he can prove he has majority supporting him. I don't see how you can prove such thing.
3. Poland signed MPP with Peru, which means that country supports defending Peru against Argentina, no matter what president says.
4. Outcome of this is Argentina (PEACE friendly) owning high iron region. How does this benefit EDEN is beyond me?
5. Second outcome is that Poland loses high iron region and that is very bad for EDEN in general.
6. What is the possibility that Spain supports Argentina to keep iron companies in Asturias? Is this completely impossible?
7. EDEN political leadership had failed to provide leadership to membering nations and it failed to explain what is going on. Result - cracks between members.
8. When you have PEACE on one side and ally on other, even if you do not support your ally, you DO NOT go fighting against him!!! Most certainly not based on an article of person claiming he speaks for ALL natives in Peru!
Think about it!
Peace trolls sad that they aren't in power anymore. Nothing new, move along people.
Deyjarus - You fail. The truth is, if Poland (the nation) wanted this merger to fail, it would. They wouldn't even need help unless Peru got a lot more support then it has thus far. But if they did need help, they would get it. The MPP simply proves this group has sympathy in Poland.
Someone's been feeding you shitty information. The eUS military is not responsible for the actions of private citizens. Even IF we'd BEEN deployed, I doubt whether we'd honestly support GROM and PMTF's actions in raping the ecountry of a friendly country that sold us iron. Instead, in the advent of YOUR fail, these private groups are casting dispersions upon the characters of everyone who sees this for what it really is.
An excuse for private organizations to selfishly seize power, steal the treasury and ruin a possible allied country. WAY TO GO, PRIVATE EPOLES! Fail article is fail, selfish orgs are selfish.
"Poland signed MPP with Peru"
Nice cover up. Poland signed and MPP with the PTO government. Big difference. Basically supporting their robbery.
The excuses by the Polish government are growing each day with this. Quit lying Poland, you supported this robbery from the start.
Actions speak louder than words. And Poland's actions show they support the theft.
Poland get out of Peru!!!
The best way to support Peru is to kick the Polish PTOers out.
I hope Croatia eventually learns to understand that -- unless, of course, it's not Peru you're trying to support, but in fact some misguided effort to support Poland, which is dumb because Poland doesn't support the PTOers in Peru.
Just because Poland's slimy move might help Eden and its allies doesn't make it less slimy.
" Poland doesn't support the PTOers in Peru. "
Yes it does. Its actions show it does in every way.
Deyjarus,
I can understand that you are just spinning this in the way that you feel best helps PEACE sympathizers, but get real.
The leadership of Poland HAS NOT come out and publicly supported the PTO. An MPP is not an indication of support for the PTO, it is a sign of the lousy position that the PTO leaders have place ePoland and the rest of EDEN/Brolliance into. They have the sympathies of many in ePoland because they are brothers. But what they are doing is wrong and it IS NOT supported by any EDEN or Brolliance country despite your spin.
here is my response to the PTO leadership...
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/the-eamerican-observer-205656/1" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/th[..]656/1</a>
What does Poland care about it? Everything was fine there before you began stealing the Peruvian country treasury.
Right, because our government's clear orders to fight in other battles like Rhode Island and Sabah really were aimed at causing damage for Argentina in this battle...
I remember when polish PTOers came to american and got a few guys elected, then those guys approved the citizenship of other Polish PTOers.
Are these considered the actions of a friend? Would it be ok if a "fringe" group of americans came to your penguin bowling country, got elected, then started approving citizenship to americans to be used in a later PTO?
Look yourself in the mirror before you go throwing insults around "friend"
What exactly has the ePolish PTo in ePeru accomplished? You managed to get ePoland in a trade embargo with ePeru. That was real smooth. Now you have managed to get the Peruvians to request annexation by a PEACE sympathetic government. So tell me, where exactly does ePoland or EDEN/Brolliance gain from this effort of yours?
You guys have taken it upon yourselves to steal the treasury of another country. Your actions have caused nothing but trouble for EDEN/Brolliance. You not threaten access to a strategic resource region to keep your greed going.
At what point do you guys running the PTO have a conscience? Exactly how far will you go to harm the countries toy claim to be friends with? If you really are friends of ePoland and the EDEN/Brolliance countries you will pack up your stuff and move back to ePoland. You have done quite enough damage to your "friends" already. Then you have the guts to call us traitors? Get real!
The truth is that peru was a neutral countr whi a lot of iron companys managed by eAmericans, and a lot of eAmericans inmigrants(2 of them was presidents : Wally Wilson and Chilshom) that lived in armony after a initial shock of cultures , but thw integrates well to our society and became part of our country along whit the RL peruvians and argentinians and spanish inmigrants .
ALl of this fucked up when the TOvers dd their thing agains a NEUTRAL country, that even under the pressure of both sides, never signed for eden or peace.
Just for ALA , but because they are our latin BROTHERS.
in the last times of our legitimate country, we were ready to fight for Malasya , but the situation became worst after the impeachement of our legitimate president, and so, we asked for help to Argentina.
So i encourage all the lovers of freedom, to move to a region of ARgentina with Q5 hospital, and figth for the freedom of Peru, when we return as a country after a 3 or 4 months , we will remember thos heros , and we will welcome citizens of all over the world to help build the dream of us the Peruvians, a oasis country of neutrality , except of course, for those who slaver us all this time.
thanks for read my words, will GOD bless all the american continent
LETS HONOR THE MONROE DOCTRINE
AMERICA FOR AMERICANS!! , AMERICA PARA LOS AMERICANOS!!!!!!
You guys kind of forgot to mention that you're a rogue group of PTOers who have been publicly disowned by the Polish government. That's fail.
-Drake
Hi all. I was the ePeruvian president until the TO. I can state uncategorically that the ALA attack on Peru is an action approved by the RL Peruvians. The issue was discussed in the forums, irc and via msn. I made the initial request to the ALA, although others are handling the issue now.
This is not an alliance issue. A PM took our country. They are pirates - it doesn't matter what country they are from. Do the RL Somali pirates represent all of Somalia? No. Does every country that believes in freedom and law have the right to fight them. Yes.
The people of Peru simply want their country with the rights of self government without 1000's of gold being donated away to the PMTF and Grom. End of Story.
I won't respond to any trollers or flamers with their propoganda and rationalizations. I have a war to fight.
Allow me to swallow this propaganda and go help Peru like the stupid American that I am. >.>
I know this is going to get me a bit of heat, what with citing Godwin's Law right out of the blue, but...
If Nazi Germany committed their atrocities, and you were aligned with them, would you not feel the need to stop them by aligning with your enemies?
Not necessarily a case of "enemy of my enemy is my ally" but more "enemy of my enemy calls for a temporary truce".
As a citizen of eVenezuela who has been following the proceedings, Peru has most certainly been taken over and the treasury looted for thousands of gold.
Personally, I like pretty much all of EDEN but ePoland has not exactly been kind to South American interests. They've taken over Peru, from what I've been told they've PTO'ed Bolivia in the past, and they've attacked Lithuania back when South America was a part of their wargames.
I am very thankful for the help that EDEN forces have contributed in helping liberate Peru by having it annexed temporarily into Argentina, and I am very pleased that EDEN member states will think for themselves.
PS: As of right now, PEACE is dead, and the ALA is independent.
Poland and USA have helped each other out countless number of times.
Don't let articles like these ruin the deep relations our nations have had in the past.
Just because we have taken our ground in an issue that has already divided EDEN doesn't mean we wish to betray or harm you.
So what exactly did eUSA do? Last I checked, the eUS military didn't participate in the battle.
The original poster is messed up. eAmerican soldiers are fighting on BOTH sides of this conflict. Some have chosen to fight alongside the PTO group in honor of our past friendship. Others have are fighting with the ALA in respect for the position of the eUSA government. But all of the eAmerican soldiers fighting on BOTH sides are doing so independently. There have been NO ORDERS for eAmerican soldiers to participate in this battle on either side. NONE, ZERO, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH! You get it yet?
What this illustrates so perfectly is how the PTO group has created a rft in our friendships over their own greed. Stealing the treasury of ePerus was more important to them than EDEN, the eUSA or anything else. They are the ones that have spit in all or own faces for their own pocketbooks.
"You guys kind of forgot to mention that you're a rogue group of PTOers who have been publicly disowned by the Polish government. "
Publicly denounced on one face, Supported with the other face with MPPs and other things.
"Tomas Valherus 4 hours ago Deyjarus,
I can understand that you are just spinning this in the way that you feel best helps PEACE sympathizers, but get real."
Lying about me based on no facts what so ever doesn't help your argument at all.
Fact: Anything I've ever wrote and done has been anti-peace.
But hey make wild accusations again someone just because they disagree with some of the slimy things members of an eCountry and that eCountry have done... typical.
Deyjarus,
An MPP takes only a congressional votes to arrange. So with thousands of gold being siphoned from the ePeruvian treasury, you do not think that Grom and PTMF could buy off some votes? Heck it is probably enough money for them to put the congressmen they wish into seats in the Polish Congress. They may have used the ePeruvian treasury to PTO their own country for all we know. As far as I am concerned, the Grom and PTMF effort probably has corrupted the ePoland government as much as it has the ePeru government.
Be that as it may, all we have to judge from are the action of the ePoland government as a whole. Yes, there is an MPP. But there has not been an order to ePolish forces to support the PTO. There has been no official news article voicing support, but there have been articles by ePolish leaders asking the PTO leadership to stop. SO just what are you basing YOUR conclusions upon?
Unless Poland and Croatia are prepared to admit that they are directly behind the PTO in Peru, we can not be accused of going against them. In fact, it is no secret that we are against the invasion, occupation, or PTO of neutral nations. Any paramilitary group that does so puts itself counter to publicly stated foreign policy goals. These principles are not apt to be changed based on the whimsy of others. We appreciate our allies and will defend them to the last even if it means being conquered ourselves. But being an ally does not mean subjugating our principles to your aims of conquest. To suggest that it is is to suggest to use us as Hungary uses its allies. We are no Colombia, no UK, no puppet to be wielded at non threatening neutral states that you wish to absorb.
As all Americans do, I greatly appreciate what Poland has done for us. I am also grateful of what Peru did for us during the war. The US Military has not deployed on either side of this conflict. It is a shame that Peru's only option is to turn to Peace-friendly countries to escape a PTO. Don't throw us under the bus for a boneheaded move by a group of Poles.
I quite like the idea of fighting alongside an enemy. Makes for a decent change of events, especially during the last few months. I don't see where any of our military units participated in that battle though. No MPP's (involving North America) activated, nor the battle history.
Sketchy.
Agreed this PTO isn't supported its SPONSORED by Peace GC members. How ironic, then that you cast stones at eUSA for upholding our highest ideals.
Wierd... so Poland is in favor or against the TO?
They are callingtraitor to the countrys allies because they dont suport a TO to a NEUTRAL country who is part of ALA and wich is acting by ALA.
This is a BIG FAT FAIL.
Peru know USA biggest valor is the freedom, and freedom is chase out the TO goverment.
Thanks US, we wont forgive your values.
I'm a member of the eUS military, and I can tell you there are no orders I've seen prompting us to fight either for or against the PTO group in Peru.
Americans who are doing that on either side are doing it on their own.
Keep in mind, please, our Polish brothers, it could be worse.
During the Sweden/Germany war, US military members were ordered not to fight for either side, battle logs were watched, and violators were kicked out of the US military.
I appreciate the help Poland has provided us.
But that does not obligate any individual American, acting on his own, to support some semi-authorized, paramilitary adventure a random group of Polish nationals choose to engage in on a distant continent.
Read and vote this - <a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/how-to-fight-efficiently-1050930/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/how-[..]/1/20</a>
ATTACK the TO goverment of Peru, help us overcome this bad times.
LETS HONOR THE MONROE DOCTRINE, NOW IS WHEN THE SLAVERY OF AMERICANS IN HANDS OF EUROPEANS POWERS ENDS.
THE TIME IS KNOW ; HELP US BECOME FREE!!
Hur de hurrr, I'm a hater of eUSA, I'm gonna reply to this thread and think I'm changing people's views by displaying my own pointless opinions on the matter, and when I say my own, i mean everyone else' because no one has ever said USA fail EVER.
Alot of eU.S. fails going on like were the odd ball. Guess that means every other country in eRepublik is perfect. Well, I wasn't here long enough to know about wars and our allies, but long enough to see people pick on U.S. If we fail soo much, why haven't we been taken over yet?
These are LIES Peru was pto'd LRN2troll
Astra
"Also, shame on you, Polish PTOers/thieves."
hehe Let;s free Indians in North America.
I know you from SA, never call us friends and never ask for help
"Don;t cry for me Argentina.." sorry America We are proud and ready. See You on the battlefield
guys dont let them fool u with this made u crap
last
UK is really getting pathetic.
Atleast they don't troll QUITE as much as eHungarians.
This isn't really a reply on this article, just saying.
Peru petitioned to the ALA to be annexed. It isn't our problem. If you all want to get involved, that isn't our problem either.
SHAME PTO!!
SHAME PTMF AND GROM.
Maybe you shouldn't be fighting against us!