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firing members of the communist party from your company won't do much good to your credibility mate..

if a middleman has two choices, and one choice 'fires' him, how would that affect him? - good thing to think about.

still you won't have to fear me becoming extreme left. but behaving like extreme right will mostly just bring centre left closer to the left.

@ Smirnoff - And what do you expect the communes to pay the workers wages with if with not rubles? With gold?

You're truly an idiot.

it is called exchange market, mombassa.

He is just dissatisfied. His vision of an independent Russia was different than what it has shaped up to be so far. It is understandable. of course some people just grew up listening to bigoted and closed minded people from the McCarthy era, and they cannot but help denigrate communism out of force of habit.

i would still like to believe that all Russians, regardless of their political ideologies have the best interests of Russia and other fellow Russians at heart.

We may backbite and argue all we want, the issue at hand still remains the same, Russia has to be built up, her factories have to start belching smoke and her workers have to start going to work daily and regularly.

All need to work together for this.

Of course i am most probably being overly optimistic by believing that we can all work together.

The countries money is not only for the Communists, it is for all the people and they all should get the benefits not only this small group of people in Russia

Welcome Citizen Travis. I see you created a new party in Russia.

Grimbold, I am ok with mixed economy, everybody is supposed to have the rights to do what ever. I believed that we can work it out. But they are not trying.

PS: and who you were talking about when you mentioned some people just grew up listening to bigoted and closed minded people from the McCarthy era?

Me????

The GOSPLAN is responsible for providing food and wages for half the Russian population, and will soon be tasked with manufacturing weapons and other products to keep this country protected. We may not agree with the methods, but the donation was necessary to keep the economy afloat.

Complain all you want to the eRepublik community, but it won't change the facts.


P.S. "After I bitched about it, they opened more." Describing yourself as a 'bitch' is not the smoothest of political moves, Smirnoff. If you want to play the candidate game you should start watching your words more carefully.

the truth is you are a bunch of thefts

Smirmoff, for somone who runs a party full of imperialistic killers, you sure seem to hate people who just want to make a point.

"Learn to read Starhanov, and learn English btw."
I did, but it appears you haven't. Use Russian if it fits you better.

Smirnoff, remember my article on how we must unify? Why is it that you and so many other people who've read and understood what I wrote still refuse to acknowledge the message? It disgusts me that both parties still have members that refuse to cooperate in these troubled times.

Elections come once a month, Smirnoff, but Russia could perish in a day. Hopefully this partisan mentality that is on everyone's mind will go away soon.

How do you want me to cooperate, if you are calling me a bitch? Do you have any brains in your head? Do you have any common sense? You want me to cooperate with you, while some of you are sending derogatory messages everyday to me. Are you serious?
And have you seen any word in this article that called a communist as being stupid or a bitch? No I do not think so. Every single derogatory word comes from your members. So SHUT up if you cannot talk properly.

You're taking my advice too harshly, Smirnoff. I'm not calling you one, I'm just saying that you should watch your word choice.. and I guess I will too.

Though I have to say, you're quite the thespian. This is the first time I've written to you, and suddenly I've been slinging filth at you "everyday"? Then.. every single derogatory word comes from our members? Comrade, we're not all Mad-Dog Mombassa. Just like your own party, most of the CPSU are empathetic people -- they're just not the most outspoken.

I was talking about private messages...

Let us all just calm down, eh?

@ Smirnoff, no the McCarthy thing was not towards you. It was more a rhetorical jibe at those that are opposed to the point of vitriolic illogical opposition towards communism. Their reason being, "just because".

Anyways, we are going to see some movement soon on the economic front. As i said earlier,working together is the quickest way to getting there.

Sounds good, Grimbo.

"it is called exchange market, mombassa."

There are not enough rubles in circulation to do that. Just shut your mouth and follow the collective.

I understand that it is important to have money in the economy. But 80,000 is more than enough. You should return that money back. I am even ready if you leave some money for your organization and return the rest. I am ready for cooperation. However, I am not willing to do so, if basic ethics are not taken into account.

To Mombassa:
government could have put them on exchange market. Damn, i think it is pointless to argue with you. You do not know anything.

except for putting people on your hate list lol

Haha, ludicrous!

It would have been the same result anyway, wouldn't it? The state, which is controlled by the workers, controls the companies which also is controlled by the workers. So what difference does it makes us if the gold and the money is splitted between them or not? Why should two things which is runned side by side, sharing the same budget, fee each other?

You know, you're good at distorting things and disregard from the relevant point in your pathetic poor attempts to convince people.

And besides, I think I know more about erepublik than you know about yourself.

hahaha

We still didn't get the answers that we asked.

How many jobs are available right now? (or After you stole the money)
How many citizens do you think will be working in close future?
and How many companies will be opened?
As a Russian Citizen am i gonna get something since i'm not voting for your party?
Will you donate money back when you lose the elections?
Or Will you handover these companies to the new government after that?

Mombassa - And what do you expect the communes to pay the workers wages with if with not rubles? With gold?

Best wage is still around 6 Rubles, how many workers you think you are paying, 10000?

"Best wage is still around 6 Rubles, how many workers you think you are paying, 10000?"

Does the commune pay the workers wages for only one day? Of course not, 80 000 rub is needed in order to run the companies for a long time.

@ Smirnoff - How old are you, 12 years? Respond in a proper way instead of behaving like the child you are. Have you ever even tasted smirnoff?

"Does the commune pay the workers wages for only one day? Of course not, 80 000 rub is needed in order to run the companies for a long time."
Мда.. похоже они всерьез настроились оставаться у власти вечно. Мои опасения насчет их психической неполноценности все больше подтверждаются.

Mombassa
Does the commune pay the workers wages for only one day? Of course not, 80 000 rub is needed in order to run the companies for a long time.

No answer for the others very good..How many workers are working for your companies? And due to your answer this companies are working for nothing right? There will be no benefit as they are working for nothing? And i'm sure all companies in eRepublik been donated with 80,000 Rubles because they are not able to pay 5 Rubles to their 10 worker every day. I'm very happy for my fellow 10 citizens (or maybe 40-50 in the future) who works for your companies at least 1500-1600 days of their future is granted.

lol at mombassa. i think a 12 year old child from Russia can take far more than 10 mombassas.
Did you know that Russia does not have an official age drinking limit?

And about my laughing for everything you say, you are just funny. I love you, Mombassa. Can we be friends? no, like friends in real life?

"No answer for the others very good..How many workers are working for your companies? And due to your answer this companies are working for nothing right? There will be no benefit as they are working for nothing? And i'm sure all companies in eRepublik been donated with 80,000 Rubles because they are not able to pay 5 Rubles to their 10 worker every day. I'm very happy for my fellow 10 citizens (or maybe 40-50 in the future) who works for your companies at least 1500-1600 days of their future is granted."

Write in understandable english please.

hahaha mombassa, as usually you make me laugh.

You can just answer the parts you understood, doesn't matter for me because i know you don't have answers. Answer is simple, you stole the money and you think we are idiots.

This is a workers' state so the state will fund the workers' companies. Our companies are run to provide jobs and products for the people, not for individual profit. Anyone can work in our companies and participate on our forum. We encourage citizens to use our forum where so you can participate in discussions and polls to decide our future.

We only discriminate against privately owned companies because they are owned by people who, despite what they may say about "providing jobs," only want to make a profit. Our companies are owned by the Party and thus all the workers of Russia.

Many members of the CPSU have donated most of their wealth to the Party and Communes. If you are concerned about unemployment then donate your gold to the Communes so we can start more companies. The CPSU already has plans for liberating another region for more resources where we will start more companies. Remember, we only liberated Russia recently, it will take some time for the economy to improve.

"You can just answer the parts you understood, doesn't matter for me because i know you don't have answers."

I just saw a wall of text of nonsense, there was nothing to answer.

Answer is simple, you stole the money and you think we are idiots."[/]

We never stole your money, the donation was voted through congress.

And besides, you're acting very inconsistent, having a communistic avatar at the same time as you oppose democracy. How does that work?

2 Duncomrade
That's your understanding.
You can't understand that there are company owners, like Smirnoff, investing in country's economy twice more funds than CPSU does and still have a minus profit to create working places for our party members. Considering the fact that Smirnoff never stole anything from eRussia's treasury.
You don't see the differense between eRepublik economy and the economy of real world. You press 2 buttons a day and call it "hard work" and when someone tries to give you a job call it exploitation. It's just ridiculous.
You are also unable to realize that there are people who do not want to be a part of your stupid understanding of marxism, (that in fact has nothing to do with marxism) who do not accept the system that will lead our economy to collapse and stagnation. I have already explained it for million of times, but you still have this obsession to "build communism" at all costs and despite its disastrous inefficiency.

lol, Mombassa talking about democracy... it's funny already.
With his insurmountable desire to put people on the hate lists and with a forum signature "Democracy is overestimated".

Well, it's still inconsistent.

2 Mombassa
Just stop this random spam and answer our questions.

I didnt bother to read anything above it just looks like a retatrted back and forth. But i have several questions.

1. why are you waiting till now to voice an opinion on this?
2. One of your congressmen voted for this proposal can you explain this?
3. You cannot put the money directly on to the monitary market anymore what would you suggest we do about that?
4. I have told you i am more than willing to work with your party if you outline a damn plan. I said this the very day of the election and still you have produced nothing. I cannot assist you in being represented in congress if your only policy is to be anti-communist.

Its not the case and you avoid answering questions with this ridicilous attacks to my English, avatar, someones another weakness etc. But since you asked, I believe in communisim, in communism that i believe, you never steal, especially you never steal from your Country, you never steal your Citizens money. In communism that i believe, either if you steal or not, you answer the questions properly. If you answer the questions you dont lie to your comrades but behave. In communism that i believe, you dont answer casually or you dont try to change the main subject. If Country owns something, this is first belongs to country than belongs to its citizens, this is NOT belong to ''a special group of people who voted for your party ot you''. This is how i believe in communism.

As a matter of fact, the companies are paying wages, of which the most part is being donated right back by the workers of the party.

That is what i have been doing ever since i have been in eRussia, It is easy to understand, each worker keeps just what is needed. The rest is ploughed back into the commune/nation. This ensures that the operational funds do not dwindle fast and the companies can generate more funds for the use of the country. Once the system has more and more people doing this, the returns will be positive and more money can be generated for us in the public works efforts such as hospitals and defense systems.

The CPSU stands committed to the growth and development of the nation. believe me, i would not be part of the CPSU or of any party if did not believe that the core principle of the effort was sound and pro Russia.

Being a worker in a commune operated company is an honor for me and lets me do my little bit towards the country. I know it does not let me amass Rubles and start my own company, because face it, i wont have the money to do so. I am OK with that, i would rather have my country strong first.

I cannot keep emphasizing enough that all FRP has done is criticize us without suggesting how they would do anything differently. I would love to see a plan put forward or were you planning on letting the free market go its course? cuz I'm sure that will go well as we have already seen an influx of foreign competitors that no Russian company can compete with. How long do you think it would take until foreign companies bleed us dry? You may want to rethink state ownership before you bash it completely.

I am a revisionist and willing to work with you but your lack of macroeconomic understanding or planning leaves me with no doubt that you are not prepared to Handel the weakened economy. It seems to me all you are is a rhetoric chanting facade with no plan other than to promise people anything to seize power of a country you empathetically watched struggle as others worked tirelessly to free. Now that the hard work is over you have created a hollow party built around a hate of that which you do not understand. The sad part is even your party members are calling for state companies but apparently our state companies are unacceptable. Why should yours be any different?

There's no need for sympathy on my part. Take the RL automotive industries in America and rephrase it the way they got denied for the package of $25 Billion dollars.
Either you make a sufficient plan so everyone can work together or you'll fall as an indignant gentleman of Russia. If you want to live in Russia you must abide by the policies set by the majority vote. Salve, the president of Norway would gladly help the Russian country evolve into what it should be. Norway is a capitalist or a basic center-left country. The reason why we now own the Volga-Vyatka region is because of the agreements established by CPSU representatives and Norwegian congress man. If you want to criticize us on the way we think talk to Salve and see what he thinks of your miniscule objectives. Remember, a slight capitalist country is freeing us because we know we'll be beside them in more than just economic terms, but instead militarily and diplomatically.

2 Foreign Legion
"I didnt bother to read anything above it just looks like a retatrted back and forth."
Not bad. I like that self self-criticism. But tell me, why should we respond to your questions when you have not answered to any of us.

We could suggest you a plan, but I'm afraid it will be meaningless because of the reasons above.
Ok, let's try.
The current market price (for both food and gifts) is far lower than the cost price (e.g. salaries).
"State" and private companies are operating at a loss. The difference is that "state" companies can produce the money at a loss 'almost' indefinitely (but not indefinitely), thereby creating inflation, destroying eRussian economy.
It's not a perpetual motion, sooner or later the state will go bankrupt, because "state" companies are far more ineffective, (cause of a large amount of workers) so they spend more than produce. But private companies will continue to appear.
The only possible solution to this problem:
- Return 75.000 rubles to the state treasury and not spend if for at least several weeks in order not to create a severe inflation (causing damage primarily to employees).
- Reduce the minimum wages up to 2-3 rubles to allow new private companies to be created, reduce the inflation and create new job offers.
- Abolish the state-owned companies or limit the number of workers up to 10 people to improve their efficiency.
- Temporarily set the Income Tax and VAT to 1%.

2 Mnemic16
I'm not discussing RL economy cause of the reasons explained in this threa😛
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/smirnoff-for-congress-1-701368/1
Also, your thesis "The reason why we now own the Volga-Vyatka region is because of the agreements established by CPSU representatives and Norwegian congress man" is laughable.
That senseless war was won not because of RRF's leaders, (I'm not talking about 'all' RRF members, I was one of them, you know) but inspite them. We still remeber Beijing and its liberation for about 24 hours.

Foreign Legion, how can you say that I did not propose anything. I specifically told you that I will propose the solutions when I come back. Instead, you proposed this ridiculous donation to your organization. You could have waited. And by the way, your discussion area is prohibited for non-communist people. I will not tolerate theft. I will only discuss matters, if ethics are abided. I do not want to build relationships with you if I think your are stealing from my country.

It seems that your main criticism of state-owned companies is that we have too many workers in them which decreases productivity per worker. This could be easily solved by creating more state companies. There is no reason why we should rely on private companies to provide more jobs.

Yes, I recognize you from the forums.
The congress made its decision to free Russia, so what?
The reason why we're following the communistic ideals is for the beginning of Russia. We're still in our infancy stage and though it looks as if a million adults are shoving candy and lollipops in its mouth. Russia doesn't need to be fought over for self-interest.
If we hold the 80,000 roubles we can evenly distribute it to other companies. Let the Soviet State Vodka and Soviet State Grain companies grow alongside the other state owned companies. With the even distribution of roubles in each company the more products sold the higher the prices but first it must be low enough to compete and beat other international prices on their products.

Here's my proposal for all of the incoming companies in Russia.

Lower the minimum wage to 2-3 Roubles and set the maximum to something reasonable (Let's say 6-7 roubles). This in turn would stabilize the markets and allow the managers to modify the prices of good they produce determined by the average wage the worker makes. The lower the wage the higher the price.

Modify the Value Added Tax to any product being bought by exportation to 4-6%.

To keep the flow going with government and state companies add or keep the Income tax to 1-2%. Very little will be taken from the workers but in return more companies could be established once the incentives are met.

Anything along the line of setting a goal for all of us to reach is fine, I don't want to hear bickering over how the capitalists needs to rule Russia.


And Smirnoff this: "I do not want to build relationships with you if I think your are stealing from my country." was extremely uncalled for. This is not your country, it is owned and lived on by all of us. That was just a heads up.

ok, i think it is just pointless arguing with you. I propose boycott to all communists. from now on, we will use all tools necessary to kick you out from my country, YES, I call Russia my country. And by kicking out, I mean that you will not have monopoly anymore. We already have three parties. Yay. You already have failed with your ideology. Russia already has many compamies. Yay. Another burn. Very soon, you will fail just because communism tends to fail. And all you will be able to do is to try to destroy the economy as you did in Norway. You have already failed by not having your ideology, by being unethical. I do not what you are fighting for... The only thing you can do is to insult us.

correction: "I do not know what you are fighting for"

You really do your research now do you. I opened 25 positions before I went to bed, and 15 of them filled up before you posted. After I logged on I opened up 25 more, which were filled up again... which I then opened up 50 (as I thought you could only do 25 at a time at first).

The 80,000 is still public money, and doesn't really matter where it is... nothing is embezzled somehow. It is absolutely useless sitting in the treasury and can only be used by organizations.
Is there a difference between taking out 80,00 RUB once or 10,000 RUB 8 times? What if it is decided upon that about half should be stored back? Its all the same.