Romanian-Bulgarian diplomacy
John_the_Brave
Now that the war is over it’s time to gather together around the table and discuss.
I don’t want to repeat here the reasoning behind the war. I will just resume by saying that even though both communities benefited from this experience, I would have preferred this war not to have happened.
Now the great battle is over and I think it is the perfect moment to start a civilized discussion between today’s enemies.
There is no need for trolling articles or RL insults. These are childish ways that only damage your own country’s e-reputation.We have a lot to gain by simple talking, free of the stupid RL stereotypes.
So I will start by putting an equal sign between the Romanian user and the Bulgarian user. It happens that now Romania is much stronger. If it wouldn’t have been, I have no doubt Bulgaria would have conquered Romanian regions without thinking twice. Because this is a game, and fighting is a normal and perfectly understandable thing because it generates fun. Imagine how boring the e-World will be if it will consist only in numbers.. That is, if it would be a genuine economic simulator.
So let’s agree on this point, Imperialism in this game is a lot different than RL imperialism. Even so, everybody has a right to live in their own country and form a community.
Now that the swords clash has ended, revealing, for the moment, who’s the stronger one.. it’s time to gather to talk. Today Romania is stronger.. who knows what future brings to Bulgaria?
As for concrete measures to begin a RO-BG cooperation, I am thinking about this:
- Starting working together does not imply forcing the other side to change sides.
- Bulgaria recently had a small babyboom. Most of them were born in Sofia, an important region for the Bulgarian people. It is however predictable that many will leave the game in the current circumstances. Freeing Sofia, and consequently the other regions of no strategic importance ( I suspect Romania will continue to launch blocking attacks over the ‘Serbian’ regions ( originally Bulgarian ) ) would be essential to starting 1 to 1 debates on equal ground.
Once we reach a more calm tone, Romania may even help the Bulgarian ‘babies’ survive the first days or help rebuild the destroyed infrastructure.
- A NAP ( non-aggression pact ) to be discussed among the two countries. Which would put a real end to the current war.
There probably are more measures to be taken into consideration with the aim of establishing friendlier relations between countries. Come forth and name them
🙂.
I will end with a short story, that probably won’t ever repeat but still it’s worth to be mentioned. A very long time ago, e-Norway, at that time the most powerful country, conquered e-Finland. Some time passed and a small Finnish babyboom occurred. But surprise surprise, by that time users from both countries were already on ‘friendly’ mode. So it happens that, with intense help from Norway, ( by that times walls were a lot higher -> from a relative point of view, the average strength was a lot smaller ) e-Finland was freed. Afterwards the two countries continued having very close relations.
More recently (this year
😛) Norway was saved from a Russian wipe-out by the same Finland
😃.
The point I am trying to make with this story is that ‘hate’ doesn’t not have to be the immediate result of a war. If we can’t become friends (somewhere in the distant future) we should at least learn to respect each other. This goes for any Hungarian reader as well
😛
John_the_Brave
Just a soldier in the Romanian Army
Comments
i fully agree, and i am for imediate liberation of sophia and other bulgarian regions if Bulgary agrees to this.
of course alot of things must be discussed, but this is the truth, we wanted to pass throught bulgaria, it was wrong, ahrm was done, but we have nothing against Bulgary.
thank you,
Norway and Finland example should be followed.Voted.
Voted.
Except for Grakulan. He must be tuned over for a booting. 😉
you must be kidding me!
when it was about giving us the regios so we can get to turkey sooner you said no. now it's time for you to die!
and you also attacked us not so long ago when you should have staied in your place.
NOW YOU MUST PAY FOR ALL YOUR WRONG DECISIONS!
Goodbye Bulgaria!
I am actually curios what Grakulan will say 🙂
Chris V, try putting yourself in the enemy's position.
Chris V, behave. Good article!
Very nice article and even nicer story with Norway and Finland 🙂, didn't know about that 🙂
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good article
I hope our relations will improve.
Chris V, don't ruin what is a great article, behave!
Sorry guys war is wait awaits us in the future.
Friends will be friends right to the end!
welcome bulgarians, enjoy your stay in Romania.
Hora fericirii \😃/
sa ne lese Cadrilaterul , ori ii mai pocnim odata 🙂
Romania wont get anything from long occupation of Bulgaria. Bulgarians who remained in the conquered regions of Romania are too many, and new players come too. Long occupation would threaten the internal security of Romania
I've joined this only because I've heard we are conquered.
For freedom! 🙂 otherwise I'd enjoy some tuica in the mean time.
Ce tot atata iertati-ne ca v-am luat tara ,ca v-o dam inapoi!! Toata ziua au aparut articole cu "vai ce rau v-am facut"! Vrem sa fim prieteni? Dupa ce au cheltuit atatia "ecetateni" din banul lor pentru arme se ridica cativa sa facem acte de caritate la dusmani.Pe cine nu lasi sa moara nu te lasa sa traiesti...cunoastem toti zicala asta.
Chris V ......they should roll over and give what you want just because you want that? Would you give Hungary your regions if they want to go to russia? .....just n/c.
@virtu1980: Cu totii am cheltuit banii nostrii virtuali pentru a ne distra 🙂 Nu pentru a anihila o tara/o comunitate.
I think this is a great article, I agree with the ideas of John_the_Brave and I wanted this diplomatic relationships to happen just after the first Romanian occupation, a month ago. First of all, choosing PHOENIX, having in mind that we are between Romania and Greece wasn't the best choice, although we cannot say that choosing Eden would be better. During the first time eRomania occupied us, there was an agreement between the two presidents and the agreement was that "there could not be any agreement between the two countries" xD
But now that Serbian people has done so much for us, I do not consider it an option to switch sides. A simple NAP (as it is said up there in the article) I thing would be the best thing to do. And yet it's up to the president and the other politicians to discuss that. I, personally, as much as I want peace, am very angry for losing eBulgaria and what Romania did, I believe, will not be forgotten.
Daca e asa de ce ati tipat pe Softpedia ca "intra Ungurii in Transilvania ,veniti sa ne ajutati". Lasa-i sa intre ca dupa aia pleaca singuri...
Dap, votat.
Vezi ce zice varul? ..."and what Romania did, I believe, will not be forgotten" Cum intorci spatele ti-o da la cap 😃 !!!
As an ordinary Bulgarian baby I personaly would agree for a NAP between our countries as soon as the government and the president consider it as good for us... that I believe it is!
virtu1980: eRepublik este un joc. Tu ai intrat ca sa aperi Romania de unguri ( felicitari ). Nu i-ai fi judecat la fel daca ar fi cucerit intreaga Romanie?
Diferenta intre unguri si bulgari, este ca noi ne aflam in acest moment intr-o situatie de forta fata de bulgari. Daca suntem inteligenti putem castiga mai mult decat niste regiuni fara resurse si antipatia vecinilor 🙂
Foarte inteligent! Am intrat din curiozitate la acel apel.Oricum nu am putut face nimic pentru ca asa e conceput jocul, dar am ramas. Daca tot este un joc de ce va tot cere-ti atata iertare si inainte va jigniti? Este eziarul tau si te respect pentru ca-ti dai silinta ,dar sa dai un teritoriu care tocmai ai cheltuit bani este o idiotenie daca nu ai alt rezultat. Tocmai ne-am facut un dusman si tu vrei sa-i dam drumul fara sa castigam nimic si sa ne cerem scuze!!! Glumesti...
@virtu1980: Am vazut destul de multe in jocul asta si iti pot spune sigur ca regiunile respective vor fi pierdute mai devreme sau mai tarziu, chiar daca noi am fi in acest moment o superputere(nu suntem)
Banii in acest joc sunt o notiune relativa. Se regenereaza la fel de repede pe cat sunt consumati. Nu s-a varsat sange in acest razboi.
Important este sa reusim sa privim e-razboiul doar ca pe un concurs, fara sa il legam de aspectele sale negative din viata reala. Nu ne dorim un dusman la sud de Dunare ( crede-ma, mai ales in contextul actual.. ). Avem insa un adversar aflat in genunghi. Putem sa il umilim - iar aceasta se va intoarce impotriva noastra, cu varf si indesat. Crede-ma eRepublik este un joc in care multe lucruri se schimba foarte repede.
Putem sa il respectam. Asta e tot ce cer. Sa ne respectam adversarul.
Eu zic sa nu-i subestimam ca de respectat am vazut ce scriu ziarele din ambele parti, poate tu esti ultimul samaritean care face apel la respect reciproc. Stiu ca jocul este facut incat sa nu poti ramane "cel mai tare" o perioada lunga si de aceea cred ca multi jucatori or sa plece.
Nu sunt singurul care gandesc asa 🙂 Respectul reciproc e singura alternativa la injuraturile de mama din RL..
Nu cred ca e cazul sa ne comparam cu acele persoane.
@virtu1980 Stergerea Bulgariei de pe harta a avut drept scop in principal anularea MPP-urilor deschise in actiunea din luna anterioara.
Multumesc pentru ca incercati sa-mi explicati dar nu am rezolvat nimic in cazul asta. Dusmani suntem in continuare, ei nu ne vor ierta iar noi trebuie sa le dam teritoriu inapoi. Ma scuzati dar ma retrag,nu cred ca merita atentia mea sau a altor bebelusi acest joc.Prefer sa joc table sau sah cu vecinu....
"There is no need for trolling articles or RL insults. These are childish ways that only damage your own country’s e-reputation.We have a lot to gain by simple talking, free of the stupid RL stereotypes."
Actually the trolling articles by romanians did a great deal of consolidating bulgaians and allies against the romani. Especially the offers to betray the allies for gold and chosing "the easy way".
There were bulgarians who proposed some kind of neutraility and friendly relations with neighbours. Hopefullu none believes any more that the romanians have enough honour to be trustable.
Don't know about any gold offers, they certainly weren't serious. As I said, there are a lot of trolls on both sides, I disagree with all of them, whether they are on one side or the other.
@sebahmah "i fully agree, and i am for imediate liberation of sophia and other bulgarian regions if Bulgary agrees to this."
😁))))))))))))))))))))))))) They are not interested in Sofia. They want Muntenia & Moldova in return.
Voted!
@John: la corpul diplomatic cu tine! 😃
and subscribed
V+S. Nice to see some voices of reason in an ocean of hate.
In the end, we have nothing against the Bulgarians. At the moment they are not a match for us one on one, so it's no fun bullying them. But they happened to be in the way, and when diplomacy fails (I remember the only 'solution' Garabeda came up with after the two Marmara battles was to propose peace - a solution which was not helping Romania one bit) this is what's left.
We fought so hard just to give the territories away? Hmm...
Ukraine got the same treatment. Ask them if we not respected the "rules" of the diplomacy act. They were suspicious, but after a month or 2 they realized that is better to be out of eHungary hand.
/* Thanks to all who appreciated my article 😃 */
@letconex:
That's just how awesome we are 😃
Really, I am not talking about just abandoning the conquered territories. We should however enter a more open diplomatic approach.. taking into consideration how important these regions are for our opponent and how useless they are for us.( now that we have ended the war victorious ). Helping our enemy while it is down will prove it ain't propaganda when we say we have nothing against them. Will prove that we play the game as players not driven by over-nationalistic egos.
Provided of course, both sides stop acting aggressively against each other for a while 😉
Unfortunately, leaving aside the occasional troll, there is very little communication between our two e-countries. 😐
This is where we have a lot to work on..
War and fun was one thing, this is vengeance and extermination. You want a path to Asia, you fight Pheonix and so on, yet what comes to the foreground is the deletion of countries.
Why hasn't eSlovenia reappeared, when will eGermany reappear, under the same terms to switch sides? That is a no no deal and you know it.
As for the NAP, I can't take it as a genuine offer for one simple reason. It will block your way towards eTurkey which means one of two things. Either that was not your intent in the first place attacking eBulgaria, or you do not intend to keep your word/will attack us right after it expires again.
You can understand how both are not acceptable at the least. Truth of the matter is, we were defeated, and I believe the true reason we were attacked was to weaken eHungary and make them expand their resources to defend us, the same reason other small countries were attacked.
You took the opportunity to beat up on us, and to rub it in (not you personally but eRomania in general) and you expect of us to say now that we agree to not do the same when we get in that position with you. Well weather we do the same when that moment comes you'll have to wait and see.
No, Stoich. You (well, your leaders actually) just bet the wrong horse.
If you think any country can switch sides at the flick of a button, you're deeply mistaken. No one can do that (well, UK can - but they're just special). It takes hard work, and lots of time. We can do it, we've already proven it. We have our success story - Ukraine. What's yours?
Bulgaria has an advantage over Slovenia and Germany. Slovenia has long acted aggressively and unprovoked towards Croatia. Germany and Poland have an IRL 'friendship' that is hard to judge from afar. Anyway, relationships between Romania and Bulgaria doesn't have to have the same amount of hostility as the official one between EDEN and Phoenix..
However regarding changing sides I wrote this:
"Starting working together does not imply forcing the other side to change sides."
And I hardly believe proposing a NAP and freeing your regions are acts of vengeance and extermination. 🙂 Of course I don't speak from any official position. This is why I can't make any special promises related to the NAP.. I suppose the war with Turkey will eventually 'cool' down.
Unfortunately for you, Hungary didn't expand much resources to help you.If they really wanted they would have easily saved you starting from the first day of battle.. But that is another story. I perfectly understand why you felt the need to ally yourself with Phoenix, and I won't question your loyalty.
Your proud stance is probably based on the hope of a potential babyboom.. Which is very unlikely to happen I would say now, but never say never 😛. Anyway, you should wait for all negotiations to fail before making prophetic threats of what there is to come 😐
Truth is, Romania is on an unquestionable position of power, but many of its citizens are ready to stand and talk.. as seen by the many votes this article had, despite this being a very small newspaper. 😛
Anyway, thank you for your comment.
Ours is to come, and we will not switch sides, because we would not respect ourselves if we did, let alone expect others to respect us.
All I've said actions and reasons given can be interpreted diferently, and in our interpretation, which is important to us after all, you're not sincere.
You had the oportunity and you took, fine, but don't expect us to like it or to all of a sudden change our ways, just because you say they were wrong/bad. You had your reasons they're yours, no matter how logical or good they may seem to you, they will not be acceptable to us.
So you have won now, we'll see each other next time, winner might be different, so gloating now will only strengthen our resolve, again this is not meant for the author of this article but some of the authors of the countless other articles.
I hate the fact that not all comments are shown so I'll go back and read up in case I missed something.
@ElTorque "No, Stoich. You (well, your leaders actually) just bet the wrong horse."
After eRomania declared war, they had no choice in the matter, so essentially you forced our hand, then came and erased us, there is no acceptable way this can be spun even by the best of propaganda machines.
Before eRomania attacked, eBulgaria had refused numerous times passage both to you and eSerbia, but they didn't attack, you did.
Wait, you say Bulgaria refused access to Serbia? ( Hmm.. )
Just a few trollish articles, that got their own trollish answers shouldn't stay in the way of an honest dialogue.
Anyway to conclude, given the current situation, you, as a Bulgarian citizen, will refuse any type of negotiations with us? 😐
@Jon_the_Brave
Pride has nothing to do with it, it is a game after all, if you can't take a stand for something even in a game where that does not carry any risk to you as a person, where can you.
That is one of the problems of eBulgaria from the past I gather, too often it preferred not to take a stand, and thus let others dictate it's future. This will change now, you may take this as a wishful thinking upon a not probable baby boom, but the future will show weather I was right in saying so.
The baby boom is happening even now, it will get much bigger, all it needs is a little organization, and now we have the motivation we lacked before. eBulgaria has grown in size x4 since the start of this war, it will grow even faster now.
By the way I'm not in an official position, just speaking out of mine personal experiences and observations.
@Jon_the_Brave
"Wait, you say Bulgaria refused access to Serbia? ( Hmm.. )
Just a few trollish articles, that got their own trollish answers shouldn't stay in the way of an honest dialogue.
Anyway to conclude, given the current situation, you, as a Bulgarian citizen, will refuse any type of negotiations with us? 😐"
Yes eBulgaria refused to let eSerbia through just as it refused to let eRomania through, that is before this war started, afterward is a different story and cannot fall within the same context.
As for negotiations, I as a citizen cannot negotiate for anything, but for me as this is simply a game demands cannot be the starting basis to any negotiations, rather a show of good will.
'a show of good will'.. Which is what I've been trying to convince my fellow countrymen to do 🙂 ..
Well you have my honest respect for refusing to be a 'passage' country. This is not what I want you to become.
Just that I'm afraid that such a bold diplomatic stance will not come at the aid of your country foremost.
Hate generates hate.. the last thing we need is enter a spiral of hate over what happened 'x months ago'.