Reshuffling the deck: eSerbia and eGreece allies?
Che Greco
A big thank you to my friend Aleksandar Miljakovic for translating this article for me. Serbian version follows the English version.
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I am back to eSerbia for another article. This article is thoughts based on an article written by Zoli regarding a Slavic Orthodox Alliance.
The idea of a Slavic Orthodox alliance has been out there for longer than some people might think. I know Greece thought about it back when we were a 1 region nation and PEACE was the reason our nation was gone, while ATLANTIS was too busy helping Romania conquer the then known world to give a about us. But then slowly Croatians, Americans and eventually other former ATLANTIS countries came to help liberate us while Huns and Turks came to your aid so the idea slowly faded. But recently the idea has been resurfaced. Zoli wrote an interesting article detailing how such an alliance would work and its effects on the entire New World. There are many issues to consider on all sides that would potentially be involved but here I will focus on Serbian-Greek sides.
Trust
How can you trust members of an alliance forged from two alliances consisting of enemies? This is where Greece and Serbia become key players in a new alliance. While we can fight against each other when we are in opposite sides of the game, I don't think any Greek can betray a Serb or vice versa should they become official allies. So we would be responsible for making sure former EDEN and PEACE countries don’t screw each other over. And if they do then Greece and Serbia could make a pact to walk away together, abandoning the other members. Of course this would make us both vulnerable.Thus problems are already created before even beginning.
Serbia's role
Right now Serbia is at its prime and where has it gone? Nowhere. At your strength and numbers, Romania owned half of Asia, Indonesia was spread across 5 continents and Hungary was already controlling high resources of every kind. Should Croatians also agree to such an alliance, your current open war would allow massive land swapping perhaps reaching as far as the shores of the Belgian coast and beyond.
Regional Alliances
As Zoli states really well a Serbian Orthodox alliance will help create more regional alliances around the New World, making the game more fun for everyone. With the new MPP rules the game officially turns from a strategy game to a war game. Therefore, the creation of regional alliances would finally put an end to superpower vs superpower where the game merely becomes nothing more than a swinging pendulum where one side wins then loses then wins then zzzzzzzzzzz. I'm bored already.
So there is no reason why an enemy alliance cannot become a friend when help is needed. For example, say Serbia reaches the shores of the English Channel. Why not a combined attack on UK from US and Serbia? And should it succeed then why shouldn’t US and Serbia go one on one on the British isles. Sure it's longshot idea but it's based on a longshot theory.
The Reality
This idea ranges from impossible to barely possible. When my very good friend aveSERBIA and I jokingly discussed this recently he asked me a question I had trouble answering: If Greece cannot make peace with Turkey in this game how do you expect Croatia to make peace with Serbia? And this question can be applied to all members of such a newly forged alliance.
Russia vs US would cause a problem for us. Romania vs Hungary would create a problem for you and any attack on a Scandinavian region would also create problems for all EDEN nations. Many might also point to the UK's treachery but this would be something different as there would be an understanding with all members and their current allies should this idea ever come to fruition. Also, as a former PEACE nation ourself we have been in this situation before. Romania in the past had PTOed us and robbed us blind. But they also have done the most damage after us in our Greece vs Turkey war proving they are a more than worthy ally.
To sum up, a Slavic Orthodox Alliance is an idea that I neither support nor discard. It is an idea that I am sure many Greeks and Serbians support but It is quite far-fetched and reshuffling the deck at this point would be the equivalent of starting the game from scratch.
Of course in the land of the headless chicken anything is possible, right?
Thanks for reading and I appreciate all votes, subscriptions and, more importantly, comments.
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Preispitivanje trenutnog statusa: eSrbija i eGrcka saveznici?
Vratio sam se u srbiju u cilju pisanja novog clanka. Ovaj clanak je napisan kao odgovor na Zoli-jev clanak o Slovensko-Pravoslavnom saveznistvu.
Ideja o stvaranju Slovensko-Pravoslavnog saveza postoji duze nego sto vecina vas misli. Znam da je Grcka razmisljala o tome kada je bila nacija sa samo jednom regijom zahvaljujuci Peacu-u, dok je Atlantis bio previse zauzet pomazuci Rumuniji da osvoji ostatak sveta. Ali tada postepeno Hrvati, Amerikanci i ostatak bivseg Atlantis-a dolaze nama u pomoc dok su se Madjarska i Turska priklonile vama cime je ova ideja polako pocela da bledi. Ali danas ta ideja ponovo isplivava na povrsinu. Zoli je napisao zanimljiv clanak obijasnjavajuci u detalje kako bi jedno takvo saveznistvo funkcionisalo i kako bi se upravo to saveznistvo odrazilo na ostatak Novog Sveta. Potencijalno postoje mnogi problemi na obe strane ali ja cu se ovde fokusirati na srpsko-grcke.
Poverenje
Kako se moze verovati clanovima jednog saveza koji je nastao spajanjem dva do tada neprijateljska saveza? Ovo je deo gde Grcka i Srbija igraju kljucnu ulogu. Iako se trenutno borimo na suprotnim stranama, ne verujem da bi ijedan Grk izdao Srbina ili obrnuto u slucaju da zvanicno postanemo saveznici. Time bi odgovornost da bivse clanice Eden-a i Peace-a ne prevare jedni druge pala na nas. Ali u slucaju da to urade Grcka i Srbija bi mogle da naprave pakt da izadju iz tog hipotetickog saveza zajedno, napustajuci ostale zemlje clanice. To bi naravno obe zemlje ucinilo ranjivim. Kao sto vidite problemi nastaju i pre samog pocetka.
Uloga Srbije
Trenutno je Srbija na vrhuncu svoje moci, ali to je nicemu nije odvelo. Sa vasom snagom i mnogoljudnoscu Rumunija je vec bila posedovala pola Azije, Indonezija se prostirala na 5 kontinenata a Madjarska je bila u posedu svih high resource regija. Da li bi Hrvatska takodje bila saglasna sa takvim saveznistvom? Trentuno vas otvoreni rat bi omogucio razmene teritorija otvarajuci vam put do obala Belgije, pa cak i dalje.
Regionalna Saveznistva
Kao sto je Zoli spomenuo Srpsko Pravoslavno Saveznistvo bi omogucilo stvaranje drugih regionalnih saveznistva na Novom Svetu, cineci tako igru zanimljivijom za sve. Sa novim MMP pravilima igra se zvanicno preobratila iz strategijske u ratnu igru. Upravo zbog toga, stvaranje novih regionalnih saveznistava bi konacno okoncalo borbe izmedju supersila koje su napravile od sveta klackalicu gde jedna strana dobija, pa gubi, pa opet dobija zzzzz, vec sam se smorio.
Tako da nema razloga zasto suprotstavljeni savezi ne bi mogli postati prijateljski nastrojeni kada im je potrebna pomoc. Na primer, recimo da Srbija dospe do obala Lamansa. Zasto ne bi doslo do kombinovanog napada Srbije i SAD-a na UK? U slucaju da uspe zasto se Srbija i SAD ne bi borili jedan na jedan na Britanskim ostrivma? Naravno ovo je sve na duze staze, ali je i zasnovno na takvoj teoriji.
Stvarnost
Ova ideja se nalazi negde izmedju nemoguceg i tesko ostvarivog. Kada smo moj dobar prijatelj aveSERBIA i ja diskutovali o ovome, on mi je postavio pitanje na koje nisam mogao da mu dam odgovor: "Ako Grcka ne moze da se pomiri sa Turskom u ovoj igri, kako ocekujes da to Srbija ucini sa Hrvatskom?" Ovo isto pitanje moze biti postavljeno svim clanicama ovog novo skovanog saveznistva.
Rusija i SAD nama predstavljaju problem(Grckoj), Rumunija i Madjarska vama (Srbiji). Bilo kakav napad na Skandinaviju bi takodje napravio prbolem svim clanicama EDEN-a. Vecina bi takodje ukazala na izdaju Engleske, ali ovo bi bilo malo drugacije jer bi postojao sporazum medju svim clanovima njihovog trenutnog saveznistva u slucaju da ova ideja uspe. Takodje kao bivsa Peace nacija bili smo u istoj situaciji. Rumunija nas je u proslosti PTO-ovala i pokrala, ali oni su takodje nacinili najvise stete posle nas u Tursko-Grckom ratu dokazujuci da su vise nego koristan saveznik.
Da rezimiram, Slovensko-Pravoslavno Saveznistvo je ideja koju ja ni ne podrzavam ni ne odbacujem. Ovo je ideja za koju sam siguran da je mnogi Grci i Srbi podrzavaju ali je tesko ostvariva. Preispitivanje trenutnog statusa u ovom trenutku bi bilo isto kao i pocinjati igru iz pocetka.
Naravno u zemlji bezglave kokoske sve je moguce, zar ne?
Hvala na citanju, cenim svaki glas, pretplatu i naravno komentar.
Comments
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Aj nek sad neko ovo lepo prevede... 🙂
lol if someone can translate this article in Serbian it would be great 🙂
great article!
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Orthodox alliance with maybe some other nations. Not Croatia. 🙂
I would like to see that some day, like I told you. 😉
ПРОБАЈ СА "ТАМО ДАЛЕКО" ...
get translation of song TAMO DALEKO ... and do not go in war where we are go, only go where we are ally...
If Greece cannot make peace with Turkey in this game how do you expect Serbia to make peace with Croatia?
You should wrote that this way. 🙂
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i will agree with ave serbia...
if we want an alliance , it will not be only Greece and serbia.. more countries based of course in the orthodoxia (orthdox alliance🙂and the game will be perfect.. until then , we will see more headless chickens🙂
Old hates should be erased. I know that RL issues are very tough... RL war is the worst part of humanity. But people should and own to the next generations to improve some parts of their character. Leave the worse parts behind, see it as a start of a new day. Like two cousins who start talking again , after a huge fight😕
Sooner or later, the eAlliances will shape up as per RL situation. These initial 'unions' of nations are purely based on strategic short-term visions as the game is relatevely new.
Long-term, there is no way we can be allies with say Turkey or US (I know we are not now but some were proposing), or even Hungary. In the west, we can somewhat rely on Spain and France. Italy will swing from one side to the other as they are historically nation of cowards. We can be brothers with Slovakia and Romania. Slovenia, Austria and Germany are only as good as you are good to them (their mentality).
Needless to say, Greeks, Russians on the east are our bros!
We can expect stab from the back from Bulgarians.
Others: South and Cental American countries and far east ones make sense, not because of 'friendship' but rather common enemies..."new world order"
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come on, Greek "brothers". you fight against us in every single battle!
you made sooooo many damage to Serbia, without your damage we would have conquered few regions in Croatia.
so shut up! 😛
I support Serbian-Greece or Slavic-Ortodox alliance.
Katoliks and muslims are allied for a centuries in their crusaides and jihads. Why shouldn we be allys?
@Dinkovski
You are new in game. We fought against them too.
Uhmmm, Croats are not Orthodox, right?!
Nice article!
If we are talking about new alliances I think that only realistic option is that Serbia, Hungary and Greece form a new regional alliance and fight together versus Croatia, Romania and Turkey. Options in which Serbia betray Hungary and Serbia being in alliance with Croats are totally unacceptable and out of question.
Nice article!
lol aveSERBIA i mention this to show how difficult it is.
@hajdukvelijko
thanks for mentioning that but this is how it is in headless chicken land lol
interesting article..
in rl, greece and serbia have long history of friendship, through rough times, and we Serbian people will always be thankful to Greeks on how they treated us in past. My feeling, when i step on rl Greek ground can't be described, i love Greece!
But in this game we Serbs really can't forget our ally Hungary, and that friendship here could really be biggest problem to your idea..
Ine poli orea, mou aresi afto. Elines ine poli kali fili.
If we are talking about new alliances I think that only realistic option is that Serbia, Hungary and Greece form a new regional alliance and fight together versus Croatia, Romania and Turkey. Options in which Serbia betray Hungary and Serbia being in alliance with Croats are totally unacceptable and out of question.
Thank you for offering us turks , but no thx
i can help you translating this...send me pm
lol Tomislav i can't blame you 🙂
Vote! Great article and comments 🙂 ...
in the land of the headless chicken anything is possible, right?
RIGHT 😃
Greece, Hungary, Russia, Serbia - maybe Brazil and Iran in sam alliance?
What do you say?
I am for an alliance of Serbia and Greece. Who cares about the rest of the world... Btw, Che, you keep forgetting that some Serbs did fight in your RWs. Nobody here officially supported RWs in Greece, but some people came to help you out.
Sorry but there is no way that Serbia will betray eTurkey, they have been a faithful ally.
There is an idea aboun pan-slavic states alliance, but it is really hard achievable. eGreece was a proven enemy and do nothing but it's own personal interest. So, now in wavering world of erepublik there are notes from eGreece, because it does not want to loose it's balkan supremacy in economic and millitary might.
I vote against the idea of eSerbian-eGreek alliance and declare it totally unacceptable for eSerbian future strategic interests.
Serbia and Greece, that is an alliance that would be very difficult to break.
Serbs love Greece, Greeks love Serbia, we are not just friends, we are brothers for centuries...
Because of that, we have to find the way to be friends in this game.
Strahinjic, Hostilian x2
I would betray eTurkey if they support so called state independent kosovo, like they do(you can see it in comments of our articles about Kosovo and Metohija).
I agree with HajdukVeljko
Interesting article.I always say that don't take the RL things to here.
Serbia is one of the best allies of Turkiye.The reality is ;
"If Greece cannot make peace with Turkey in this game how do you expect Croatia to make peace with Serbia?"
It sounds really interesting.But good...
eWorld is going to look a lot different in the next few months and wast global alliances are a thing of the past.
Will the Orthodox alliance be a major player on the world map in the future, weirder things happened.
This is stupid... lol
Less tanking for eCroatia cause would add some credibility to your kind words 🙂
good article
Turkey and Hungary helped us a lot.And now you are trying to separate us and make us betray them?What did you do to help us?-Nothing.In fact,you helped Croats a lot when we attaced them,did milions of dmg.Serbia and Greece allies?-I don't think so.
we need to create orthodox alliance, Serbia + Russia + Greece + all orthodox countries and all those that fell like orthodox!
Long live ORTHODOX BROTHERS
Good article.
But don't expect from us to turn back on eHungary.
I also know there is a strong movement to create new alliance based on Atlantis and Peace corpses.
New Andromeda maybe born very soon 🙂
Not expecting anyone to do anything.
I am just responding to other people who brought up the possibility of such an alliance.
I like that we have a variety of opinions here.
exactly what che said,these are just thoughts of what could or might happen in the future,since the game is taking a new turn on how it would be played in the future
atm no one is willing in greece for instance to support a serbian attack on croatia or in serbia an attack on turkey by greece and so many other things
but still its interesting to see how close our people are,even though we have been enemies through out this games existance,there are still thoughts of how this could be possible to happen
"headless chicken land" hahaha!
I support idea.
Dobra analiza, precizna i razlozna. Otvara mnogo opcija i jos vise pitanja, ali se slazem sa konstatacijom da je zeljena ideja, kako je lepo receno, izmedju tesko ostvarivog i nemoguceg.
Ne zato sto ja ne bih voleo saveznistvo sa Grcima, vec sto je razvoj dogadjaaj i opsta situacija takva da je to malte ne SF.
Preporucujem moj tekst;
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-1031174/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-1[..]/1/20
@EliminatorSERBIA. QFT!
"How can you trust members of an alliance forged from two alliances consisting of enemies?"
We were never in eTurky attacking eGreece, we never attacked you, never harmed you, however, you always helped croatia and fought against us. We could have as easily move to eTurky and fight against you but we didn't.
"Right now Serbia is at its prime and where has it gone? Nowhere."
Lots of us considered swapping some regions with eBulgaria to come and conquer you. We finally decided we don't want to that. Do you perhaps wish us to do that?
Or were you expecting us to attack eRomania, betray eBulgaria and attack them as well, going over to other PEACE GC countries and betraying them as well? WE ARE not like that, we are not alone and we don't wan't to end up like eRomania.
We have nowhere to expand, at least nowhere we would have interest to expand.
This is a game, we don't kill each other, we are hitting the wall. This does not mean we hate each other. Friends play Risico or monopoly, they don't hate each other, it's a game.
I am against pan slavic orthodox or un-orthodox or whatever union. We would just weaken our selves. Moldavia and Ukraine are weak contries, eRussia is greedy as hell, they just look up to their own interest, we are at war with eCroatia (that can hardly change) and we have more to gain from you by taking your HI IRON then to be allies 🙂 Also even united you are not very strong country (no offense meant). So who would protect this alliance? What would we do?
One remark about eRomania prime-time: there was lot less population, lot more bugs and exploits and lot less resistance. Things are VERY different now, mainly regarding to population numbers and resistance. Bugs are still there and admins are still Romanians.