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Dio Vigon
Hi guys,
I'm off the main decisions of my country nowadays, coz I think we have pretty capable citizens to do so, but I just wanna see some balance between what my friend aVie wrote and what we think is the reality of all debates we all had in the last six months.
It's no secret Brozil has a brotherhood with Argentina and Croatia. There's no secret about the friendship all CTRL members hold and we always knew it.
There's a important phrase in the CTRL document:
As a side benefit of ensuring the prosperity of all CTRL members, the alliance also seeks to reduce the game’s current focus on Balkan-centric conflicts.
The truth is that all members were bored about the endless war happening in the Balkans. We know they hate each other on RL, to me, as a brazilian, is something I never had in my RL (a real conflict with other country or family members suffering during the conflicts) and that's the reason I respect their actions. However, as a brazilian I wanna play eRepublik like one: knowing that eRepublik is only a game.
Will Romania and Hungary ever be allies?
Will Serbia and Croatia ever be allies?
Will Macedonia and Greece ever be allies?
Will Turkey and Bulgaria ever be allies?
I don't think so. And if they do, wont last long. That's the reason I dislike choosing a side over there. It's not my fight. It's not a reason I agree.
When we first met to create CTRL, our first goal was to change the focus from there. Make a worldwide game, not a balkanic game. eRepublik sells itself like a NEW WOLRD. If they don't wanna live in a new world, I do.
Brozil, Poland, Spain and USA are countries who exist, are big enough to conquer stuff in this game and don't belong to the balkanic region. That's the reason we become close to each other, that's the reason we focus on a new alliance.
Do Brozil hate balkanic countries? Not at all. It wasn't a emotional decision, it was a game decision, was we trying to change things a bit and have some fun with it.
Does Brozil wants CTRL = TEDEN + Spoland?
No. Brozil wants CTRL, period. And I think I speak for USA as well. We don't settle our decisions on prejudice, specially in a game.
I know my polish friend asked for the US logic here, but I think is the same logic I can show:
We want CTRL. We want what we wrote and what we signed in the first document of this alliance: a new perspective for this game, not a partial and convenient one.
There's China, Argentina, Russia, South Africa and many other countries that doesn't belong to the balkans. I don't think is too hard to understand that holding balkanic MPPs, at this moment, sends one hard message: we don't want to change the game.
I hope this is logic enough.
Regards,
Vigon
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seems legit
Perta?
Vigão, acho que não durou muito: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-en-pl-wojna-jest-lepsza-ni-sztuczny-pok-oacute-j-a-co-dopiero-sojusz-2139797/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-en-pl-wojna-jest-lepsza-ni-sztuczny-pok-oacute-j-a-co-dopiero-sojusz-2139797/1/20
Então fica a dica para o seu artigo que o CP da Polonia anda achando da CTRL.
Portuguesa isso ovelha KKKKK. Preguiça
NÃO TINHA VAZADO? FAKE !
THE LOGICAL IS EVERYTHING
VOTED
E agora, para onde caminhará o Brasil?
Tenho lido todos os artigos, Sulamiranda. 😉
Let's think with a look of 21st century, we need not take a position on one side or the other, just respect the choices. CTRL is a new paradigm for the erepublik alliances. We will show that the bipolarity is outdated. Soon Plato will end the rule breaking MPPs.
El sentido comun, es el menos comun de los sentidos
But when I was telling you months ago that Loland will NEVER break ties to Serbia and their agenda is to get you away from your allies and bring you to new ONE, your reply was insults?
I don't see any admittance of you being wrong for trusting Prophet and Lolish politicians. Washing hands and pretending it didn't happen?
You do know that Spain will follow Loland like a good little puppet?
Thordilho, will he? Where is that info coming from?
Eu sei Vigon, mas o artigo que voce lançou não cai muito bem com o pronunciamento do Presidente da Polonia, se fosse qualquer cidadão sussa mas é o Presidente.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-en-pl-wojna-jest-lepsza-ni-sztuczny-pok-oacute-j-a-co-dopiero-sojusz-2139797/1/20
Chorem o fim disso, lol....
Foram bem enganados. Eles nunca saíram da ONE....
The Balkan wars are no more if you look closely at the map.
B [≺〇≻] N
Votado
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAFMthrFltQ
perfeito vigon.
And where would people from CTRL alliance fight then?
I mean then you will have no wars outside those Balkan wars. Really great way to stay away from that part of the map....
Also you by your actions are preventing Balkan countries to expand outise Balkans... For example eCroatia couldn't move until air strike was introduced... Same would go with eRomania and eBulgaria.... When eBulgaria went outside that Balkan you fought as hard as you could to return them to Balkans...
A chance da CTRL continuar é a mesma que o Palmeiras tem de não ir pra 2ª divisão
#porcosgonnahate
eCroatia and eRomania on other side don't really have that big of problems staying on other continents... So yeah if you don't want Balkan wars but on other hand you do everything possible to stop some of the Balkan countries to get out from that cage...
Also Balkan wars.... There was more wars in Asia in past 2-3 months then on Balkans but oh well....
Bom artigo, mais CTRL é uma misturanza muito rara
I fully agree with ExZilYon.
Voted. o/
The wars are there, where the strong countries going. The 'Balkan' countries didnt wanna continue the long year wars, so they signed NAPs. They wanted to escape outside from their cages and gonna for another continents but the big countries who have perfect geopolitical place dont like to see 'Balkan' countries around their bonus and safety zone and saying: "Go back to the Balkan".
You dont wanna 'Balkan' wars, but you dont wanna them anywhere else, the countries outside from the 'Balkan' dont have real wars, 'Balkan' countries dont wanna fight with each other. So Game Over?
[BRNews] "Thank you, Cap. Obvious" - CTRL issues
http://tinyurl.com/ctrlissues
HAIL BROZIL
HAIL SPAIN
HAIL CTRL !!!
I try to play a war game, I try to fight, the differences do that.
Não podemos dizer que a CTRL não é divertida.
@Angellus
Exato. Se a brincadeira, para a maioria, é mais divertida brincando de xadrez (peças brancas x peças negras), paciência. Pra mim o eRepublik é muito mais War, os objetivos podem mudar de acordo com as circunstâncias.
O mundo real não é maniqueísta e por isso existem conflitos, pois as pessoas (e a nossas culturas) nos dizem que é.
Esse jogo ta chato de maaaaaaaais...
No Rhual, the idea is to let balcan countries fight each other alone without CTRL support. It is not anti-balcan, it is just pro whatever else. But NAPs and airstrike finished CTRL.
Só passei para dizer que no dia que o Vigon saiu do PRO eu vi que ele era um flip-flop.
Everybody LOSE CTRL http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/lose-ctrl-2140072/1/20
Brazil doesnt want CTRL.
Muito to que dizes neste artigo faz sentido, na tua perspectiva, que penso estar mais próxima da perspectiva americana do que da espanhola e claramente diferente da perspectiva polaca.
Os balkans, mesmo quando metade dos países balkanicos estão na ásia ainda são uma parte muito importante do jogo e a Polónia está no meio das relações de amor e ódio que existem entre eles. Espanha é ligeiramente diferente mas tem a sua ligação à Polónia que não irá cortar. Voted btw
Acho que a forma com que o Brasil e os USA procuraram construir a CTRL foi apressado pela pressão de construir alguma coisa, e nem todas as coisas foram pensadas com o necessário tempo, para resolver as coisas de forma certa e não da forma que consigam ultrapassar temporariamente os problemas.
O tempo pode resolver coisas, ou pode não resolver.
I was the one who wrote the CTRL chart and the one who gathered the countries to sign it. It is quite sad things had to go this way but each alliance has it's own problems and CTRL is no different. If those problems will be solved with time? I believe so because.. views change from Presidents to Presidents and other politicians and because people are different.
As for the rushing or not of things... I don't think CTRL was really a rush, the background negotiations are from before my time...
(...) I do agree the alliance should follow what they signed for and if the mission statement is to be non-balkan oriented, then the CTRL members shouldn't be balkan-oriented. Pure Logic.
I can understand Poland situation and how their society works but I think some of the things the Polish CP said about USA PTO are a bit biased from someone who doesn't know much about what really happens in USA internal politics.
@Dr Luis Sentieiro. 1st problem is that NOONE asked ppl in Poland weather we want to join an alliance which would force us to drop MPPs with Serbia. 2nd thing is that USA tried to force us to drop MPP with Serbia and Hungary even if Hungary is not a Balkan country. 3rd problem is that USA used "the ultimatum" sorry not USA... their CP (not sure if rest thinks same). The ultimatum was that either we do as USA says or they will retake lost MPPs (not sure which ones were dropped) and atack us!
What kind of responce you expect when you hear things being stated in that way? I think our CP shown that he have balls and will stand for his beliefs. Not gonna do something only becouse USA's CP tell him to do so.
Moreover, only thing about Balkans you could read in those CTRL newspapers was "As a side benefit of ensuring the prosperity of all CTRL members, the alliance also seeks to reduce the game’s current focus on Balkan-centric conflicts." There was not statement that - "becouse of it all member countries will drop their MPP with countries: untill " At least i didnt found such information enywhere there. If such information would be there ppl in Poland would tell you same thing even
before CTRL charter was signed.
Romania isn't a Balkan country !
"Romania isn't a Balkan country ! " True
Will Serbia and Croatia ever be allies?
make CTRL, betray us and you will see : )
Dont get drawn into loland logic..Their progapanda is so lame + loland cant drop serbia/hungarin mpp becouse their bonuses will be in danger..USA and CRO didnt have mpp few month and i didnt saw nothing like that from loland or spain or im wrong ?
seems legit
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I would like to see Serbia & Croatia in one Alliance.
That would be interesting !
Romper, use your influence to get it
otimo artigo vigon 😃