Razboiul meu / Az en haborum
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by Zoli
Ma aflu intr-o situatie cel putin ciudata. Sunt prins la mijloc de catre acest razboi despre care am sperat tot timpul am sa il intalnesc niciodata. Nu este un mister, sunt un ungur nascut in Romania. Sunt mandru ca sunt ungur, sunt mandru ca m-am nascut in Romania.
Razboiul dintre Ungaria si Romania m-a prins la mijloc. Am ales sa lupt de partea Ungariei fiindca Romania era tara care ataca. Daca atacul era pornit de Ungaria luptam de partea Romaniei. Dupa razboi m-am mutat in eRomania unde cred ca mi-am facut la fel de multi prieteni (sau poate mai multi) decat aveam in eUngaria. Am sperat tot timpul ca acest conflict se va rezolva pe cale diplomatica. Doresc sa multumesc tuturor celor care au lucrat pentru a semna pacea – Alex Craciun, the_mihai, dsalageanu, Adam Zahovay (acestia sunt cei cu care am comunicat direct dar sunt convins ca sunt multi altii care au lucrat la acordul de pace).
Consideram ca miscarea realizata de catre Presedintele Ungariei nu a fost frumoasa (sa nu folosesc alta formulare), si a ruinat efortul a mai multor luni de negociere. Un acord putea fi semnat, acord care sa avantajeze ambele tari. Desi declar deschis ca nu sunt de acord cu acesta miscare, m-am mutat inapoi in eUngaria pentru ai ajuta. Voi lupta pentru recucerirea teritoriilor care au apartinut Ungariei, dar daca frontul trece de vechile granite voi schimba partea pe care lupt.
Doresc sa imi cer scuze pentru cele 2 legi propuse ieri. Mi-am dat seama, mult prea tarziu, ca nu au avut niciun rost, ba dimpotriva. Am fost ales de cetateni pe care nu i-am reprezentat prin cele 2 proiecte de lege. Imi pare rau !
Sper ca acest razboi sa se termine, sa gasim o solutie care sa aduca pacea si linistea pentru ambele tari, si care sa fie benefica ambelor tari. Doresc sa imi aduc contributia atat la dezvoltarea Romania si a Ungariei si cred ca cele 2 tari se pot dezvolta mult mai sanatos si mai repede daca colaboreaza.
Chiar daca momentan ne aflam pe parti opuse ale baricadei cred ca putem, chiar trebuie, sa tragem pentru a darama tensiunile dintre cele 2 tari.
Kicsit kenyes helyzetben vagyok. A haboru amely kitort a ket orszag szamomra ketszeresen fajdalmas. Nem egy titok, hogy Romaniaban szuletett magyar vagyok. Buszke vagyok, hogy magyar vagyok, es buszke vagyok, hogy Romaniaban szulettem.
A Romania es a Magyarorszag kozotti haboru valasztasra kenyszeritett. A magyar oldalon harcoltam, mivel a romanok tamadtak. Ha a magyarok tamadtak volna eredetileg, a roman oldalon harcoltam volna ma. A haboru utan eRomaniaba koltoztem, ahol legalabb annyi (ha nem tobb) baratot szereztem mint a eMagyarorszagon. Vegig remeltem, hogy a diplomacia segitsegevel megszuletik a beke. Meg akarom koszonni azoknak akik a beke megkoteseert dolgoztak – Alex Craciun, the_mihai, dsalageanu, Adam Zahovay (biztos tobben is voltak, de en veluk beszeltem tobbet a folyamatrol).
Szerintem a magyar elnok lepese nem volt szep huzas (hogy ne hasznaljak mas kifejezest), es tobb honap munkajat vetette el. Szulethetett volna egy olyan beke amely mindket orszag szamara elonyos. Annak ellenere, hogy nem ertek egyet a jelenlegi harcokkal visszakoltoztem eMagyarorszagra, hogy segitsek. Harcolni fogok az elveszitett regiok visszaszerzeseert, de ha a frontvonal atlepi a roman hatart akkor en is a atlepek a roman harcosok koze.
Elnezest kerek a tegnapi 2 torvenyjavaslatomert. Tul keson jottem ra, hogy csak artottam vele. Nem kepviseltem azon szavazopolgarok akaratat akik megszavaztak. Sajnalom!
Remelem a haboru lezarul, es talalunk egy kozos megoldast amely beket es nyugalmat hozzon mindket orszag szamara. Hozza akarok jarulni ugy Romania mint Magyarorszag fejlodesehez es hiszem, hogy egyuttmukodve gyorsabban es egesszegesebben fejlodhetunk.
Meg akkor is ha a barikad ellenkezo oldalan harcolunk mindent meg kell tennunk, hogy lebontsuk a ket orszag kozotti ellenteteket es bekeben eljunk.
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Mindig is tszteltelek Zoli. Teljesen egyetértek!
I have always respected you Zoli. I fully agree with your words!
n-as vrea sa fiu in situatia ta.
dar sincer te inteleg. Sper sa nu existe romani care te condamna, pentru ca nu au dreptate.
voted!
Dupa cum a spus si sebahmah, nu as vrea sa fiu in situatia ta si cred ca nimeni nu si-ar dorii, situatia e cat se poate de complicata. Eu te inteleg perfect si nu te condamn, dar cu sigurantza se vor gasii persoane care o vor face, atat romani cat si unguri. In cazul in care nu faci fatza parerea mea este sa alegi o tabara, chiar daca nu este bine pentru toata lumea, dar sti vorba aia romaneasca "Cine alearga dupa 2 iepuri nu prinde nici unul"
Bine (ti-)ai revenit Zoli!
voted.
Zoli, mie imi placi assa cum esti. Asa ca, lupta de partea cui crezi tu ca e mai bine conform credintelor tale.
Legile propuse de tine au fost o mare greseala, pe care deocamdata nu stiu cum sa o interpretez. Scuzele pentru ele sunt normale, dar nu stiu daac pot sterge impresia pe care ai lasat-o prin initierea lor.
Restul actiunilor ti le inteleg. As vrea doar sa iti atrag atentia ca e greu de facut o distinctie clara intre agresor si agresat, de foarte multe ori lucrurile nu sunt ce par a fi (ca si in viata reala).
A quote came into my mind, it goes something like "the best of both worlds", and that is what I think you are.
Din pacate gestul e tardiv, ai fost votat de romani pentru a ajunge in congres si ti-ai batut joc de votul lor prin cele doua legi propuse, ti-ai batut joc de votul lor iesind din congres.
Fiind un ungur nascut in Romania aveai dreptul de a alege de partea cui lupti, nu aveai insa dreptul sa-ti bati joc de congresul Romaniei si faptul ca ai facut-o ne arata clar orientarea anti-romaneasca.
Stii prea bine cat am lucrat la pacea aia, macar si pentru faptul ca ai fost un intermediar la un moment dat, trebuia sa respecti mai mult eforturile facute, gestul tau de ieri, respectiv cele 2 legi, atunci cand de fapt Romania a fost atacata de Ungaria, vorbesc impotriva a orice sustii in acest articol.
Unii au lucrat la pace si au respectat-o, altii au incalcat-o, tu i-ai sustinut pe cei ce au incalcat-o.
Respect pentru decizie
Ok, intelegem sau nu intelegem, putin important. CE FACEM IN CONTINUARE?
@Zoli: Nu o mai fa pe victima tu ai cautato cu lumanarea, stii proverbul ala "cine si-o face cu mana lui se numeste lucru manual"
Parerea mea este ca tu ai vrut sa intrii in aceasta situatie, tu ai deschis acele fronturi, iti era ciuda ca Romania e mai bine organizata dcat Ungaria si ca am reusit sa luam Rusia.
Zoli daca stateai in patratica ta si nu-ti bagai coada unde nu-ti fierbea oala era mult mai bine. Oricum esti constient ca oricate RW-uri ar deschide Ungaria nu au sansa de izbanda.
Zoli I like you,but imo you try to be too correct to everyone.
In the end,many romanians will treat you as a hungarian,and many hungarians as a romanian🙂🙁
And you forgot TWO VERY IMPORTANT fact.
First:You named the Hungarian attack an incorrect move.
But it was not Hungary who attacked Romania.
It was also not Hungary who captured nearly whole ROmania,but on the contrary,Romania did it.
Secon😛what's your opinion a Romanian takeover in Russia,and what they wrote that they ENJOYED to destroy Russia.
This move was VERY CORRECT huh?
Vote good article!
Mda, acum am vazut si eu legile propuse de tine.
Tocmai cand incepusem sa-mi schimb parerea.
Ce pot sa spun, ti-ai taiat craca de sub tine 🙂
@Marginaldefeat
It did not wanted to answer comments, but I have to answer yours.
Hungary and Romania talked about peace and settleled on some terms. The attack from Hungary sweapt away 3 months work of peace talks.
The take over of Russia was an attack against Russia, they wrote that they have enjoyed the victory. Hungary occupied Slovakia more than 6 months ago, and only today made the first steps to liberate it. After we liberate Slovakia we can talk about fighting for freedom - up to now Hungary was an opressor as Romania is and will be for a long time from now.
I do not say that I approve the occupation of Russia by Romania, but I say it was a great tactical move, that Hungary would have done if it would have been smart and strong enough - there are to many "but"s and "if"s.
@Zoli, nu pot sa te asigur de altceva, decit de faptul ca iti ramin prieten. Sper ca aceste mesaje sa faca mai usor de suportat efortul pe care il creaza celelalte.
Toate cele bune.
Shut up about rusia.
GEORGIA anyone?
Bvo! Un articol reusit,Zoli.Voted
nu votez articolul asta, ar fi bine sa nu se mai faca atata publicitate gratuita la asta...
Zoli sorry,but TAKEOVERS are totally unaccepable to me,anyone do it.
Not only from Romania.
Let me say an example:
If I see somebody try to rape a woman I can try to protect her at all cost,no matter I don't know her at all.
And one more thing.
I understand your opinion about the hungarian attack,but you have to wrote your opinoon about the takeover and the romanian attack to be correct.
And...I think the liberation of Slovakia is MUCH MORE important and correct move from us,than the attack of Romania was incorrect.
We want the same:liberation of Hungary do you agree?
I will also never agree with the attack of original Romanian territories as well.
sorry for my grammar mistakes,I realized them now,but I think is' understandable even with these.
vote
Zoli ez korrekt hozzáállás.
@Marginal: but it's acceptable from your point of view to break a peace treaty for which we worked so much?
Hi Alex🙂
You still haven't answered to my questions🙁
Anyway,a dictatum is not equal a peace treaty in my opinion.
That hapenned 2 months ago when we had no choice.
That was not a treaty but a cease fire,which we had to accept.
What would you think if you were me?
And Romania would be in Hungary's situaton?
Would you accept a peace treaty if it says that you can only keep Bucharest and we will destroy you in other case?
@Alex Craciun: that peace pact is a legend for me - i heard much of that but seen nothing of it. (For me) any diplomatic pact is valid if its WRITTEN. Words are like leaves in the wind...
...prin articolele scrise si prin pozitia ta fata de razboiul Ungaro-Roman mi-ai parut o persoana nepartinitoare(cel putin in aparenta), si ai incercat sa faci CEEA CE AI CREZUT TU CA E CORECT, la acel moment dat -> RESPECT pt asta
cele 2 legi propuse in schimb m-au dezamagit complet; prin asta practic ti-ai stricat imaginea creata (cel putin in mintea mea) si ai inselat increderea celor care te-au sustinut sa ajungi acolo
"What would you think if you were me?
And Romania would be in Hungary's situaton?
Would you accept a peace treaty if it says that you can only keep Bucharest and we will destroy you in other case?" .. so is what happened fair or not? Cause you say it isn't, but you prove it is. Make up your mind!
"I will also never agree with the attack of original Romanian territories as well." Then how would you play this game?
Florshica post my commenct once more please,because you totally misunderstood which I wrote.
Ei fi tu prins intre cele 2 lumi,dar ai incercat sa faci rau eRomaniei prin cele 2 legi propuse de tine.
Nu era mai simplu sa iti dai demisia si sa pleci sa ataci de partea eUngarie si atat.A fost chiar necesar sa te arunci si prin noroi sa te tavalesti. Vrei de partea eUngariei, bravo e decizia ta si gata, dar cu restul magariilor NU.
Si nici nu inteleg de ce atat compasiune pentru saracutul de tine ce chinuit trebuie tu sa fi!Infinity a vrut sa faca rau tarii si a fost hulit de toti, la fel ai facut si tu si meriti aceeasi soarta!
Am acordat Ungariei o pace si dupa 2 luni, ne trezim ca ne ataca ei,
sincer nu inteleg de ce stam si negociem atata, exista metode in care sa facem eUngaria sa dispara fara sa dam satisfactie celor din Peace sa miste un deget!
@Florshica - there are many people in many eNations who hope that in the future the war modul wont be the most exciting part of this game...
@Wieros: Ok, but untill then, this is the most exciting/important part.
@Marginaldefeat: It seems to me that you agreed to being at war with us untill you lost and your move didn't have the result you expected. After that, you changed your mind.
Florshica I never changed my mind.
The war won't be over until we get back our origonal regions.
It was not us who wanted to destroy Romania.
It was Romania who wanted to destroy us.
It's quite simple.
@Florshica: i dont know how many "non-romanian" people will play this sh** if political takeovers, bugs that helps Romanian ... etc. will continue - sooner or later many will get bored with it; and if there would be only 6-8k of romanian players, the admins would stop the whole Erep (you know, the admins want to make EURO from this game, and if these things go on, there wont be more players who willing to pay)
@Wieros: I won't get into this fight with you because what you say is only your interpretation of the facts and NOT the facts. You seem to neglect that bugs happen every time, to all nations, even against Romanian actions sometimes.
Alex, you know they're gonna twist your words again, don't you? 🙂
And what was the reason behind the delay? Maybe you haven't had the propose peace button?
@Fungar
The admins did not sign the treaty. The treaty imposed penalities in case it was broken, and the admins did not know if they could do that - technically. Alex made his best effort.
Thanks Zoli.
Alex:
I know about the negotiations,but you NEVER promised to give the regions back.
That's all.
We have been waiting for 2 months.
The fact that you brutally attacked us.
Yeah,we made a mistake when we conquered Slovakia.
But it was before my birth,and yesterday we corrected our mistake.
When will you do it?
Believe me I will have ABSOLUTELY no problem with Romania we fight for only 1 reason.
We tried it with diplomacy first,but we failed.
Alex, told you so 😁
@Wieros: .. so if it was before your e-birth and in a different system, it was ok? 😁
Zoli: "The admins did not sign the treaty. The treaty imposed penalities in case it was broken, and the admins did not know if they could do that - technically. Alex made his best effort."
Then it should have been renegotiated immediately until it was feasible for all concerned and not stalled for an indeterminate time. As for myself I do not consider a never implemented peace trety as valid, as I said so in many times. What we had with Romania in my opinion was a cease-fire and fuzzy promises on one side, uncertainity on the other. We should I think forget about that treaty and make a new one - if that is what we all wish. I for one wish all our regions back, but would settle with some if they include the high grain.
I am totally agree with you Quicksilver🙂
I new treaty is being negociated right as we speak if I am not mistaken. For now it is rumors, but I've heard negociations are under way.
Cool.
I don't mind at a new a good and finally fixed peace treaty.
Zoli, I heard it, yes. Maybe they can come to an agreement.
@MArginaldefeat: Make us understand. We conquered 3/4 of Hungary, freed Slovakia, and, because the first time the admins didn't let us to take you all, we thought, ok let's give them a chance.
We were trying to sign a peace treaty that should have settle it. You're trying to say that us, who can make you disappear in only few days, had to give you back all the regions?
Dude, do you know what a peace treaty is from the point of view of the country that lost? Normally a big amount of gold should have been given for the last regions to stay where they are. And if you want everything back, well that's gonna cost you a fortune. Imagine the gold Romania spent, we were fighting against you and other 7 nations helping you.
I don't think you fully understand. This was not meant to be a peace of friendship. This was a proof of your capitulating, and if you wanted to stay on the map, you should have offered us a lot, really a lot.
That's the way things go.
You're hilarious when you say that after we conquered most of your country in a matter of days, we had to sign a peace treaty in which we agree to give you back everything. How can you even think of that ?
@Zoli: orice alegere implica o renuntare. You cannot have your cake and eat it.