Personal response from someone with experience.
zaney
First of all let me say, serenity16 has only been here for 4 months. I'm sorry but your word is worth less than the IDR on matters pre-war. You have 90% of your facts WRONG.
1.Isnuwardana ( the Indonesian president that declared war on Australia) received a private message from the president of Australia (Neo) that offered peace and good relations as neighbours.At the end of that letter, Neo said “If you cannot read English, please forward this to someone who can”
This is not offensive, and Isnuwardana directly LIED about being offended. He has told me in private that the true reasons for war were these points
A: To stimulate the Indonesian economy
B: To give the Indonesian citizens something to do
C: To ‘test’ the war module
😨
To bring new Indonesians into the game
E: Because Indonesia wanted to go to war, but was SCARED to move north and confront Pakistan. SCARED TO ATTACK PAKISTAN. So instead Indonesia moved south AWAY from Pakistan to its neighbours.
(I'm sorry to speak about a private discussion between us isnu, but it had to be said, you started the lies in the first place)
After 6 months of my efforts to offer a peaceful solution, you finally gave us one discussion on independence. Do you think it is a co-incidence that you only did this after you heard we have ATLANTIS as our friends? Do you think that is not showing that Indonesia, AGAIN, were acting out of fear?
We did not insult you at the talks (unless someone of my council did after I left, in which case a single person insulting you is not considered an insult to your whole country by Australia, and you are merely lying again) I even apologized for some out-of-turn comments made so that you would feel that we were there as friends. (I would also like to say thank you to Catalog, he did a very good job at remaining neutral and was a very god chairman)
The only reason Indonesia built up the regions they took, was because of market stagnation. If you did not move hospitals to those regions, you would have nowhere else to put them and so your hospital companies would not be as rich as they are now. You PROFITED from it and you are saying it was charity? More lies.
2.Indonesia DID try to write in English at the start, infact a lot of the old blood Indonesians were very polite and hospitable in their papers. I even made the effort to learn a few Indonesian sentences and words at the start because I could see Indonesians trying to be nice back. HOWEVER: over time we became less and less important, over time we were forgotten and more and more Indonesian bias showed up…leading to today, now there is NO effort made to translate to English! …Once it became obvious that this niceness was only a temporary thing, everybody became unhappy.
That also brings up the issue of culture: Indonesian culture is VERY different from ours, our values are different, our jokes are different, and our girls are different…there is no way we can share media.
3.Politics: we wanted 5/6 territories, and you could have Perth (our most rich territory) OR we only wanted 3/6 territories including Perth. We were happy to give you Perth, but we had to work out enough resources for us to live as a prosperous nation.
What do you think Indonesia wanted? Indonesia wants a small country who is always scared of its neighbour, Indonesia wants us to be lapdogs who bark whenever the Indonesian president says so. Indonesia wants to control our economy by giving us only the territories with NO resources!!!
We see through your lies Indonesia…AUSTRALIANS WANT A HOME, AUSTRALIANS WANT AN ECONOMY, AND AUSTRALIANS WANT TO LIVE INDEPENDENT.INDONESIA WANTS TO CONTROL AND OWN.
It's time Indonesia realised it has to be friendly, and we will see you be friendly, even if it means we have to use weapons to do that.
p.s. I always say I support peace before war, if Indonesia thinks again and decides to give us 5/6 regions, OR Perth (we are not greedy, you can have perth but we NEED enough to be able to survive!) I will always be available to organize talks again. Until then Australians will always be ready to fight Indonesian aggression and imperialism.
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Woot...good job Zaney
good job zaney ...
btw is it Isnuwardana , the president that received the message ??
See you at War ,
I want indonesia to have darwin .... because if darwin under aussie , i dont have AUD , i do not know how to pay the salary then 😁
Btw the hospital is charity ... 🙂 because it's help us in war of South Africa.
Waiting for the war , i'll help the resistance .. only at the war, not more.
toomuch, I have said many times that I will personally fund Indonesian company owners who remain in any Australian lands 🙂
Just another proof that Australian attempts at diplomacy go ignored or unheard.
nice review... never know that before, cause I made this character after eIndonesia & eAUS war but I also read some review on eIndonesia forum... I always tried to made an article in English but really sorry sometimes not all information can share on dual language like you said we have different culture bla..bla... let's war zaney.. I don't think if negotiation will meet with your request... although I know your side more have big opportunity caused of moron & stupid trivia thing... no offense & personal thing it's a game don't generalize this to real life... good luck & success for all.. 🙂
Bout time some1 published an article with some sort of merit on this subject. Voted! Good stuff!
in b4 Indonesian slandering in Bahasan or watever language it is.
Good job mate, but still... It was early days.
I do think that we should really speak more of the current Indonesian population, rather then that of the past. You can always whine about the past, but the past is gone, and the future is already set in motion, take the future and modify it to your liking, don't try and take the past and do this, because then such misconceptions appear, and the proof, truth, and whatever else is left becomes perverted and Varies, and even truths become lies.
countdown started. 😃
admin please provide us trivia question in Bahasa Indonesia please
Just click "Start a resistance war in your region" ...
"I do think that we should really speak more of the current Indonesian population, rather then that of the past. "
Considering in the article INDONESIA posted about PAST insults the article is pretty on topic.
Very poetic post though 😛
@mad, wakakakakak,
trivia pake bahasa engresh loh ga masalah...
Would not be that simple reason to declare WAR....we are not simple minded kind of eCitizen....in fact I could not find any eCitizen named Isnuwardana through serach engine.....
Again, peace and merging mutual benefit through talk and understanding would be more beneficial rather than insulting one to another...
@ Arjuna
Your search http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/444
good point zaney 🙂
Btw as i know peace is offered after the war , not before the war. That's fact.
So let's begin the war , and talk about peace later 😁
Well, i do agree that we have an unfair advantage through english-only trivia, i think it should be offered in all languages
here U go Isnu...the war must have been an agreement between 2 pact. Need clarification as well from Yanezu though....so the bad image is not only from our side...we need to hear the truth from both side
You know, i dunno who said it, should really give them credit for it, but they're right.
If we start the resistance war the Indonesians will clearly offer us some sort of peaceful solution once we've started.
After all, a wars gotta end someday eh?
straigth to the point, lets war then 😁
after the tsunami* come , then the war will be stopped 🙂
*the server can not hold this big resistance war
Hmmm serious discussion in V.1
2 resistance war started in Europe, why not here.
maybe we will happy to start war again in Australia land and the whole world will move to this land to join the war.
isnu we were leaving due to the session starting an hour late and running out of time.....
just to clarify.
If you have rl committments like going out to dinner with your family they come first
@Tim09
i see... but all I heard from my fellow Indonesians who were in the conference: "the australians walked out"
how do you think that sounds?
zaney, zaney, you even have a wrong simple fact that the president at that time is yanezu, not isnuwardana. What about the other fact? You made them too ?
Its called....Propaganda
stop complaining, just one word to say..
LET'S GO TO WAAAAAAARRR!!! prepare your bank soal n keep googling! hahaha
If you want the war so bad, just click that damn "Start a resistance war in your region" button.
Aussie kie kakehan mbacot....
Mung ngomong thok...
nyatana mah euweuh nanaonan euy....
TOng ditaranggap lah...keun wae sina cape sorangan ngabacot..
it's all right for me with trivia in english.....
so just click "Start a resistance war in your region" (just like mr.wowox mention before) xD
hey it's fun to be a contractor to build a 100.000 hp wall and a destroyer with a hammer to crash it *lol
@tim
it is okay if you have to leave, you could state that to the moderator
but what if the last person from Australia said"..."
12/10/2008 7:55:35 PM Your a Cheese Ball LOL: if we cant agree then there is only 1 option left fullscale war
12/10/2008 7:55:37 PM Sir Ronald Tan: personally, i'd like to give back all the regions back to eAusi, but step by step
12/10/2008 7:55:43 PM Your a Cheese Ball LOL: ATLANTIS here we come
12/10/2008 7:55:43 PM Sir Ronald Tan: if u say so MM
12/10/2008 7:55:51 PM Your a Cheese Ball LOL has left the conversation.
12/10/2008 7:56:09 PM » Jímmy »: I didnt want to come to this, but you have dug yourself into this hole
12/10/2008 7:56:15 PM » Jímmy »: has left the conversation.
Gentlement, is it clearly that language is the cause of this topic? did both of you really need this war?? This problem can established continuously war in the future...did we need a interm war when almost every corner of eWorld are ready to expand themselves?? Please, think it through people..
That's the whole transcript of the meeting. Read it and judge it.
alah2 wong dulinan game ae repot ,ayo wis gelut ae........
enga takut maju semua hadepin tuw tembok wakakaka
@serenity ... you could put the transcript at a link perhaps .... 😁
And btw, thanks for mentioning my character in your article. It's really an honor. You've made me famous 🙂
@isnu sorry, lagi males bikin linknya. Biar yg baca juga ikut pusing ngadepin org sedeng kaya gitu.
Flood.... lol
Dear Indonesian President,
I am Neo26988, President of Australia. I am unsure if you speak English, so if you don"t, please pass this on to someone who can. As closest neighbor to our country, we are greatly interested in creating a mutual protection pact with you. We are a peaceful nation with no enemies, and we do not wish to fight unless our country along with all the other peaceful nations of the world are threatened.
If possible, I would like to know what enemies if any you have. If you are interested in entering in to this pact, please let me know ASAP and I will submit the request.
Thanks in advance, and I hope our two great nations can work together in the future.
- Neo26988, President of Australia
That's the original letter from your former president. Is that look like a diplomatic paper? And zaney, you said "At the end of that letter, Neo said “If you cannot read English, please forward this to someone who can”", Is that what you called fact? Upside down fact maybe. What other "fact" did you make?
Looks diplomatic to me....
Its friendly, and polite, since when is asking someone if they speak english an insult. Im sorry to say, but you are just clutching at straws on that argument.
Its been stated, the war between Australia and Indonesia was not about the letter. The letter was a cover up so to speak about the real reasons.
Why must this argument be brought up again? Its been done, its in the past. JUST DROP IT.
I am unsure if you speak English ---> WTF.....
A few things to clean up...
Isnuwardana, I wasn't bringing points to argument for the sake of raising old issues, I was replying to serenitys lies in his article as someone who has more knowledge than he does.
Serenity, please stop being ridiculous, who are you? I like Indonesian people; n3mo, Isnuwardana, too much, all very fun and honest. But you give a bad name to a normally collected and decent culture. I would almost say you aren't even Indonesian but a stereotypical Pakistani troll...
I had to leave the forum, I wanted to discuss peacefull options but as it was I diddn't think I would be so lucky as to have Indonesia accept discussions TWICE in a row (as history has been unforgiving...)
Cheeseballs comments were deliberately agressive and ...Brash.. to represent those Australians who want war, Machine Madness kept a neutral stand, representing Australians who diddn't mind if it was war or peace.
Stop using propaganda and over the top statements, If you read everything I have typed it has been within diplomatic reason and necessary niceties...(except for a few outbursts I give you...)
Finally I did not bring up the past, I am simply answering the issues that "serenity" (what an ironic name for someone so agressive)brought up in his article. I did not raise any old issues that he did not already adress.
Again, for the 2000th time in the last 6 months: I am ready to talk peace again, and I personally want peace. As you know though I do not TELL Australians what to do... I cannot tell them to accept terms that will leave Australia without enough resources to live independantly.
WAR!!!!!
nice....
voted for this article and comments
Wow...Firstly I thank Serenity very much for supplying us with that transcript, as well as the letter sent by Neo. That is very considerate of you. Now we can all make judgements based on HARD PROOF, instead of arguments and flaming based on biased comments and biased rumours created by both parties.
This shouldve been shown a LONG time ago.. perhaps put it in a seperate article?
The transcript has been flying around Australian articles for the last month or so. I guess it's just because Indonesia doesn't pay attention to us that nobody bothered to read it until now.
Serenity, really, put a link in next time. That takes up half the page.
@ICE2008 you start the issue first at your article, and I just reply it on my article. You said your point of view and I said mine.
@zaney You called isnuwardana A LIER with a wrong fact. That all facts you mention above, there's a lot of mistake and you called it the truth? You start heating the situation by accusing somebody lie. My article is expressing what we feel. And your article is written directly for me. Did I hear you appologize to isnuwardana (in public) by accusing him a lier? NO. Your article is made intentionally to attack me. And I reply it. And now you accusing me being ridiculous? Shame on you.
Isnuwardana HAS mentioned the reason of war as being the PM, A long time ago but I specifically remember reading it; I did not lie about that.
And I did appologise to him, Not for that fact, but for bringing up his name in a negative way.
Though at the same time, I was wrong, Isnu was not the president at the time and I am sorry for that mistake, That does change Isnuwardanas part, but replace his name for yanezu and the rest holds true.
I did not attack anyone directly in my article, you are being sensationalist. Please leave the politics to the adults.
I have put my word out and corrected some incorrect facts, and have been corrected in some incorrect facts, and now the past is past.
Now let those who want peace to talk if they feel like talking, otherwise let those who want war have their war.(I am one who wants peace, unfortunately 80% of Australians are angry, and want war)
"First of all let me say, serenity16 has only been here for 4 months. I'm sorry but your word is worth less than the IDR on matters pre-war. You have 90% of your facts WRONG." And then you said "I did not attack anyone directly in my article, you are being sensationalist"> Is this another your upside down fact again ? C'mon, it's all up here and inside my article. You made this fire. And you blame me for it? I can see your real face now. No need to pretend as a peacemaker.
When will the war start?
I think we should put down the pen and lift up the gun for a while.
War is good for the economy 🙂
@Zaney, I said we will give you all the regions except Perth, no?
Everyone can see from the transcript that's what I said.. And you guys refuse it..
I honestly belief my government would give the regions to you by any means, or I shall fight them myself. But you refused it down..
Say, who's the greedy one?
Hear me, people of Australia.. As long as I still playing this game, no land of Australia shall be freed.. For we gave you a chance and you throw it away.. You shall forever wander in foreign lands and have no land to claim as home..
serenity: A critisism is not an insult. (If anything I was insulting your currency, but that was merely an opening joke)
darkyojimbo.. I don't think you did. Perhaps we misread what you said?
If you did offer all regions except Perth, I am immeasurably sorry and will take back any comment I have made post discussions!
I would go so far as to, right now in these comments, Accept your proposal.
Though I am fairly certain you did not offer this, and we infact requested it and were denied. Again, I hope dearly that it was a mix-up...
rofl @ jimbo, wow dude im sorry but i was about to post a comment about how we should be a little nicer to yous, but that comment was really silly.
@ serenity, dude stop making ur country look like %$#heads, im sure most of em r not, so get a leash on urself.. in short, i just want my country back, as do many. and i dont doubt E Indo that much, but im certain that the resolve of the Australians and Allies will not falter. just sort out a fair deal Indo b4 u dig urself a nice deep grave -.-