Operation Twofold Bay: We’re back!
Derek Apollyon
Caption: PEACEkeepers clash with EDEN Suppporters
I would firstly like to jump right into the fray and point out one major misconception about Operation Twofold Bay: We'd go to war with Indonesia as soon as we signed the MPPs as part of our membership in EDEN.
I can say without hesitation that that is 100% incorrect.
Cottus never implied we'd go to war with eIndo as soon as we MPPed. That was pure conjuncture by other individuals (*looks at William Shafer*).
This is more about eAustralia finally making a stand and doing what is right in the current global conflict that has been going on these past months, and that is by trying to keep PEACE out of regions that do not belong to them. Some would call PEACE's actions "Imperialism," but I just refer to it as being Bullies on a global scale.
So there are a few things which some individuals have failed to point out as a "pro" to joining EDEN, the first one is a little element in the game called experience points (which correct me if I'm wrong, is the driving force behind all other activities in eRepublik).
I even have the numbers (in the form of nice pretty graphs) to prove that without being in constant battles, eAus will fall lower in the rankings as the days go by. During the eChile and eArgentina wargames, eAustralia was actually ranked in the in the top 20 nations of eRepublik (we actually got as high as #18, ranked higher than eGermany). But we've gone into decline, and are currently ranked #23 (and big surprise, the countries ranked higher than us are the ones who are currently in a state of near-constant conflict).
Under the current format, it equals to 290 EXP per citizen per month. In the daily fighting format, it's actually 390 EXP (yes, a total difference of 100 EXP for those 10 days a month we don't fight). So let's take this info and put it in a larger picture.
Current Format: 2823 (population) * 290 EXP (per citizen) = 818,670 EXP
Daily Format: 2823 (population) * 390 EXP (per citizen) = 1,100,970
... wow, that's a total difference of 282,300 EXP on a national scale! (~1/3rd of the current format!)
There are also economic benefits to joining EDEN, the main one being that since we'd be involved in a war virtually 24/7, the demand for products (Weapons, Gifts, and MTs) would be much more consistent than what it is now; this stability will ripple out into the RMs of the respective industries.
Now I get to a interesting point (which I don't think has been raised yet), "Why not join PEACE GC? We'd get all the same benefits as EDEN and we wouldn't have to worry about being invaded."
My answer to this wraps back around to what I said earlier, PEACE GC has been (for the better part of this year) the Primary (if not only) aggressor in eWorld affairs. So would eAustralia really want to align with such a power in exchange for "regional security"? Are we really that chicken to stand up for what is right? Are we really bought that cheaply?
The first article Operation Twofold Bay is the highest voted article in Australia's history - this not only shows EDEN's support to ensure they have our back in this project, but also some big Australian names have pledged their support to this cause, too.
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And now, a message from our fearless leader, Cottus Arci:
"Historically you have been at the forefront of negotiations with Indonesia, why the backflip now?" ~TheBlackAdder
I'll take it upon myself to just bring these few points to the table in regards to this comment:
I was at the forefront of the negotiations for every single state;
- The initial agreement that gave us our nation back, and NSW & VIC
- As Prime Minister, he secured NT and laid the foundations for QLD.
- He was a key representative along for the ultimatum agreement, AIRRA, which secured us TAS, SA & the false promise of WA.
- No-one has dealt with the Indonesian Government in talks like these more than Cottus (not even patti11!
😛) .
Doesn't that make him one of the most experienced to make the most accurate step for our future?
I cannot stress this more... this would not be a matter of joining EDEN so we can attack PEACE native regions (by this I mean their original regions).... this would be a matter of joining EDEN in their fight to liberate their conquered lands against PEACE.
A cause is nothing, if it is not a just one.
Comments
No.
Here here. Canada would welcome our Aussie brothers into the Garden of Eden.
well I hope you stick around to get our nation back when we lose it then.
Fight like men. Oppose PEACE GC.
The USA and EDEN stands by Australia!
Join us brothers!
You're all awesome 😉
Join EDEN, all the cool kids are doing it.
We are with you, eAustralia.
yay
WA will be eAustralian again!
We are with you, eAustralia
We are with you, eAustralia
how many comments are actually australian here? one? and isn't that actual one against the war? just saying. make your decision australia, whatever it is, but make it yourselves, not with anyone making it for you
voted!
This must be a difficult thing to contemplate for eAustralians. Joining Eden must seem, in some regards, as a move towards a very real, existential threat. It is, after all, declaring open war on all PEACE nations, including eIndonesia. Why would it be construed by PEACE as anything else?
I am not well versed in the history of the conflicts that have ravaged eAustralia in the past, but being eAmerican, I am conversant with existential threats to my country's existence. Not too long ago, my own nation was down to one region, Florida, and the talk was of guerrilla warfare and where to move once the last region fell. Days looked dark, indeed.
But, times change, and with it so has the global strategic picture. PEACE is still a formidable opponent, but we learned they are not invincible. They may be defeated on the field of battle, and further, they will be defeated. Now may be the time for eAustralia to stand with Eden and participate in the wars of liberation raging around our virtual globe. In the process, you may yourselves become a whole nation once again as well.
Tough decision, I know. Good luck in whatever path your nation chooses to take. My hope is that your country will stand with mine, but I know you'll do whatever is in your own best interests, as you should.
I'm getting tired of repeating myself against shoddy logic GLaDOS.
It's no surprise Operation Twofold Bay articles are being supported (though comments) by EDEN members to show;
-EDEN members support Australia joining the cause (y'know, make us feel welcome and all!)
-EDEN is not plagued by the co-op problems of ATLANTIS, and would do a much, much better job in supporting Australia if we were to be attacked in "defensive measures" by Indonesia. For as you all know, there were support problems in Australia's resistance war against Indonesia.
Furthermore, it's 11:48am AEST - don't expect too many Aussie comments until 00:00-10:00 eRep time.
im still mmhmmming over all this
it would mean going against our word and breaking all the progress made by us cottus (you, me DA, zaney)
I've been waiting to fight along side Aussies since the day I join eRep.
More fighting would also keep up the WELLNESSS for the population, and make the game more interesting... but NOT if we're just going to get crushed into NSW (especially after spending all this money on more Hospitals) by eIndo.
I don't know guys...I'm still really fence sitting over this. 😒
So you want to (most probably) want to start a war with PEACE to gain global rank?
...Why? You would want to risk our nation falling over a few spots in rank?
I couldn't bloody care if we are ranked 40th or 1st. It doesn't mean anything to me, I think other share the same opinion too.
Look at how awesome they are! I mean seriously if you looked a little over a month ago america was PEACE's. But with a group effort they have pulled together to push them out. Look at all the smaller nations like bosnia who have joined. They are tiny but they want to help. Time to get the Aussie fighting machine up and running.
@patti: what word would we be breaking? nowhere in AIRRA (http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Australian_-_Indonesian_Region_Return_Agreement) does it state we can't join a alliance.
@MM: That's the only argument you have against this? Rank is only one of the benefits we'd get out of this. Did you even see what I wrote about PEACE being the Bully of the eWorld?
AWESOME!
Patti said it. It means going against our word.
Our word should be our bond. If we're not trustworthy with our word in one instance, how can ANYONE take us seriously in the next?
I'll continue to run for the Senate on a Platform which opposes this Agenda. The fact that these pro-EDEN Articles have been so voted up is absolutely irrelevant... they've been voted up by non eAussies, so the vote count is irrelevant as a measure of the people's will.
If the eAustralian People want this, they can vote for Sentors who will vote War Measures through, and they can vote for a Prime Minister with a pro-EDEN platform. Voting Articles is not, and never will be, an accurate representation of the will of the populace.
Fail Troll is Fail.
great article about the benefits for war(games)... maybe we should invest having more of them.
About bloody time!!
@patti11: the treaty that you hammered our with eIndo to restore eStralia was an incredible diplomatic effort and should never be forgotten by any eStralian. But eIndonesia have broken their promise to return WA. So that means the treaty is voided and all bets are off, right?
eStralia is in mortal danger of losing players to other countries (like me) or from the game itself. Aussies are just too proud to live a 2-click existence under the thumb of a foreign oppressor.
And for anyone who thinks eIndonesia cannot be removed by force of arms alone, I have one word for you: California.
"And you have my Axe"
Voted! (By an Aussie)
Voted by an Aussie in RL who moved to the US for the simple fact, Australia is to boring not action we have no backbone in reality we do not fight for freedom for respect joining EDEN is our chance our opportunity it is our Destiny (Avatar the last air bender has taken over me!!) LOL jks. But seriously the US, Canada and Australia in real like are like family why not in the game why not? Australia is loosing members experience points everything because of this i have read the agreement signed between both nations it says we cannot join ATLANTIS or PEACE GC that means that Indonesia has nothing to complain about by us joining EDEN as they have lied to US We would also be very worthy for EDEN as the thing is EDEN does not have the land positioning to attack Indonesia with Australia Indonesia has a chance to fall a chance to suffer the same fate Australia had many months ago. I left Australia because of Australia lets make people want to live in Australia because of Australia.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-eaustralia-gov-announcements-temp-changes-and-official-government-response-947276/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-eau[..]/1/20
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eCanada stands by its Aussie Brotehrs and Sisters! OY!
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srg91 i understand but the US highest military center voted upon this they want us they need us, they will support us because that is what allies do EDEN is not PEACE EDEN looks after its members from the smaller nations to the great nations.
Why dont we like the RL Australia like 11 years ago had a vote to decide if we were to become a democracy and seperate from England why dont we the Australian citizens take a vote to decide and finally find out what the Australians support i have learn from politics politicians act upon something after it has caused its damage it is always the case all the time every were Australian politicians dig deep and find that inner Aussie in you lets stand up and fight.
Seriously cop has a point
> Our word should be our bond. If we're not trustworthy with our word in one instance, how can ANYONE take us seriously in the next?
Why should we be bound by our word when eIndo continues to find loopholes in AIRRA?
I support this move as i feel it would be the best for our nation.
Agreed as i have said many times before "The world is in our hands, all that matters in which" All senators of eAustralia the world of every eAustralian is in your hands which step are you willing to take drop the world if it crashes and breaks we will get put back together but if it bounces up stronger then ever.
so is that what 'twofold' refers to in the operation name? that we 1) liberate occupied regions and 2) gain from the liberation by a higher rate of exp points.
Out of curiosity, once 1) is achieved, 2) remains and will always remain and would form the temptation for continued expansion? I.e., becoming like PEACE.
I would prefer focusing the pros and cons on the consequences of acting to retake WA (e.g., likelihood of success, possible support from EDEN, playing a positve role in liberation, consequences of reneging on our previous agreement in terms of cost and reputation)
I'd move to Indonesia to fight in a RW in WA 🙂
And may I say, the economic benefits of getting involved in the war, as well as the boost it may give to your population is great.
I am still strongly against this.
Lol hey BenP how is it going
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twofold_Bay" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twofold_Bay 😉
See the connection?
I support non-aggressive involvement in EDEN 100%
Moving tickets would probably drop because that's the whole point of the MPP.
And why are you so focused on EDEN why don't you look at the countries of SOL and ask if they want to fight for their regions?
If you want to join in on the war just MPP one of the countries, you don't have to join their alliance to get free war games.
And as to the highest voted article in Australia, it'd be great if it was Australian's who mostly voted for it, but if you look at the comments you see more Croatians than Australians.
All these benefits can be achieved through war games, why do you have the need to endanger the nations sovereignty?
As President of the US I am fully committed to Australian sovereignty, every region every person should be free. We are with you!
Hail EDEN
Hail Australia
@ Derek you have given no good reason for the actions you suggest we take. All the benefits of this can be gained from war games. It sounds like you are thinking more of Canada and less of Australia, we would be like the Argentina of ATLANTIS only weaker.
Fact is if we had all the allies of EDEN and Indo declared war on us do you really think they could protect us? We have no money to give support and our military is relatively minuscule (no offense guys). More than that we gain absolutely nothing from this venture.