On the Topic of Funding and Taxes
Loouman
This article is written by Seanan published by me...
There is often a lack of substance in the media. eUK hasn't done anything nearly as interesting as when we were wiped, so thats been a dead end. Our media response to current events appears to be waiting your turn to have Dan Breen rub your.. back (while sub'ing so you don't miss your turn, ofc). My last proper log into our media, I made the mistake of overloading with topics. Although thank you MikeBane for the Ubermensch Award (German for superman +/- btw). This time, I'm going to stick to one topic: MUFC92's Funding Irish MU Scheme (or FIMS.. come up with a better name later). There is a competition at the end, which is funded by me because I'm selfless and I hope it will make you laugh by the irony (however, you'll need to read the entire article to understand how to win).
Lets begin.
I'll point out that I may have bias in this scheme as I am a member of one of MUs which have been marked out for funding, The Irish Army. The Saltpeter Mine scheme I have no vested interest, my Turkish citizenship means I can't benefit from the scheme. As for taxes, none of the tax changes had any effect on me directly. Feel its important to point these out in case anyone deems it significant.
Opening statement: I fully support the funding of state controlled armies
Skipping past the vast amounts of IEP the late Irish Defence Force (IDF) received before reform, the Irish Army (IA) received a budget of 10,000 IEP per month during the first 2-3 months of its creation. The budget was eventually scrapped when our banks ran dry due to the maintaining the MPP shack in order to battle the eUK. Anyone on my friend list would know I asked/bugged every Irish Taoiseach since that moment whether there was any surplus IEP left after MPP renewal. While the answer was no, the fact I asked could be perceived oddly without explaining the underlying political viewpoint.
I believe the elected Taoiseach has a mandate to determine the best course of action to defend our country. In terms of military coordination, national defence involves communication with other nations - which an unelected government will have no credibility in the international circles (EDEN HQ, for example, would not let them in the chatrooms). The IDF had a defined commitment to the Taoiseach, when combined with the Irish Citizen Army (ICA), all of eIreland's military force (at the time) were now under that commitment in the IA. Before the reform, ICA did not receive a cent (bar what they stole 😮
) while the IDF did. The reason was obvious: IDF fought where the State told it too, the ICA did not.
If an army fights where the State tells them too, they are a State Army.
None of this is held within game mechanisms, some perceive these deductions as roleplaying/pure political; While game mechanisms certainly do not determine state armies, game mechanisms are also impartial to logic and gaming style. You vote for a man/women to lead your country, whoever wins then has to do that job as they are the only one with the game mechanisms to control which regions our country attacks - Anyone been elected will know the worth of having a military unit which will fight where its asked. Paramilitaries do not have to follow the Taoiseach's orders, they might but they might not. Depends on varying reasons, like disagreement of strategy, engaged in another battle or could be dislike of the CP etc etc. As I said in my article featuring basic strategy, the chosen strategy will be successful if the damage needed to overcome the enemies' strength is available. Ensuring that availability needs thinking outside the GameMech-box; State armies. Its the notion of stronger united - weaker divided.
Now that I've addressed why State Armies are important for defence, what about MUFC92's scheme?
SaltPeter Mines
I don't know the criteria. I haven't asked for it, but it should be provided for public view. The Irish Army before has offered a grant to any member who takes part in Starkad Rorlikson's loans (mail him about that). Does this scheme require the applicant put up some of their own cash? At the moment, it doesn't seem too. Good/bad? Someone else can write about that.
Taxes
My only contribution to the Irish Market is selling Wep-RM, and buying Food-RM (Our lack of production bonuses have our RM market mostly free market so we can support our mainly product based economy). When VAT went up, didn't really do much to me. However, it still caused quite a ruckus. I'm normally pro-tax rises as long as it increases state income while at the same time not make a monopoly of exploiting Irish GMs. I also don't get involved with the discussion, its boring as hell BUT I will attempt to do a calculation for Q5 weapons companies
Costs 285 IEP (+/-) wages for 3 workers (at current offer 95 IEP, been 85 IEP not long ago), if you hire 2 RM workers and 1 production worker. Makes 12 Q5 weapons. Which is 24 IEP cost for each weapon. Current price on market is 38 IEP, which is 28.5 IEP without VAT. Thats 4.5 IEP profit margin per tank. Given thats not the most efficient way of obtaining the RM for production, and my basic math skills... I'm going to say GMs can still make a living, while doing our MPP shacks a whole lot of good. However, I'm sure there better numbers you can oogle at, so if you have an issue with my calculation take it up with Sweet Drinker.
Irish MU funding
First looking at face value of how the military units selected are funded; Its not been very well explained. I haven't asked again but then I'm being stubborn and making the point I shouldn't have too. However, looking at the comments, the amount given is not based on total troop numbers in the MU (which would be silly. The funding is aimed to improve the damage of troops supplied - the troops getting supplied will be different to the total MU membership count, in most cases). Funding appears to be related to covering (or partly covering) the cost of RM production, and I personally know our Taoiseach has asked commanders for a list of the companies in use. Its more than likely, the amount given will be calculated by dividing the IEP available by the percentage each MU requires in RM. I.e. Total RM required of all MUs = 10,000 RM units. MU-A needs 7000 RM Units (70😵
, MU-B needs 3000 RM units (30😵
. Therefore, MU-A gets 70% of the available IEP pot. I'm sure it will be explained on launch.
Now, onto to the Military Units selected for funding:
The Irish Army (IA), Irish Citizen Army (ICA), and Labour's Army (LA).
Now, I've explained what the basic criteria is to be a State Army. Why do State armies get State funding? The answer is State Armies' damage are the State's assets. Improving the damage they can direct into the battles is more useful, than improving the damage they can not direct.
Irish Army is the obvious state army, its roots are from the IDF - the first real state army, I'd argue. Irish Citizen Army became part of the Irish Army on creation, it later reformed for reasons including no one really stepping up to take the CoS position off me (Thank god for MUFC92 and Conway), however adopted the ICA uniform which included the Department of Defence logo as part of their continued commitment. Labour's Army being a State army is news to me, I thought they were very much independent from the State but its welcomed news - Always had a space or two in my companies to help them out.
Now, people might get the impression that I'm personally picking and choosing which MU is considered a State Army, previously the Irish Army was the only State Army. What happened? Misconceptions of what the Irish Army is. When the IA was created, it brought together the only active Irish MUs operating. There was only one army. Over time, more military units have popped up - like the ICA reforming, or the LA forming. Reasons may be political, I know Labour's Army members are mainly Left-Wing. Irish Army doesn't have an ideology bar fight where the Taoiseach/MoD tells you too, might not be as attractive to some people, don't know. eIreland is not like the eUSA, the Irish Army or any other MUs seem to use smokinghotsexy women as a recruitment tool. I think that is because we are of a higher maturity.
Its at this point, no one really made it clear what the difference between the Irish Army and the other MUs was. Likely my fault. The difference was that the name Irish Army was first coined as an umbrella term - If you fight where the State tells you to fight, you are part of the Irish Army.
This was simple when there was only one body which fought where the State said. It is obviously different now, and if I was more active I would have wrote about it sooner. In essence, "The Irish Army" is the title. Next down, you got sub-groups: The ICA, LA and what I'd call the Regulars. Regular because they have no political faction in the Army. To finish off what I mean by umbrella term, I'll illustrate by showing you the picture I sent to Patrick O'Leary a long time ago.
Which leads me on to my next point: Why is E.A.M.U. not selected for funding? I have this sinking feeling that either their communes are currently inactive, or they don't have significant production assets. Which is a shame, because out of all the Irish MUs which have a commitment to the State, they are the ones which have it clearly written down in a mini-constitution on their forums.
As for other Irish MUs, obviously they need to make themselves known - Think I've covered them all. I understand I have not mentioned Libertad-Ire, reasons why should become clear. I could do another spread on Libertad-Ire but I'd actually need to research it first. The conclusions of Croatia-Mexico incident from what was said is they are an international unit - with a branch based in eIreland, but not exactly an eIrish MU. They can't have commitment to the State because they are already committed to the main Libertad group, I'd personally say. Croatia-Mexico is an example of a conflict of commitments, North Dakota was another - ND resolved eventually when the ICA changed its commitment to the State. Don't know how a Libertad-Ire member entering the Dail, or any part of government works on that whole commitment thing but something I'd gladly interview about. Personally, I think I've said enough to invite heated ragers. Its complex, but unless you have a mercenary approach to Libertad-Ire members (i.e. supply them as individuals for battles you what them to fight in) no government can justify funding a military unit which can tell it to bugger off.
Saying that for across the board. The ePolish government did not fund the ePolish proEDEN Military Unit Polska Organizacja Wojskowa (POW). Conflict of commitments, even though the unit never fought against Poland.
This very much ends my opinion of MUFC92's Funding Irish MU Scheme. I have an overall approval of the scheme, I dont think its has alot of information about it out at the moment but that is likely to change as it comes nearer the launch date. But in order to end on a high, and not a boring read, I have a competition just below the next paper barrier.
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I'm a congress member, and I support Seanan's viewpoint, whatever it is. I'll just leave this right here.
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well said!
financing MU's will be more explained when we start with that, also I didn't see EAMU on Irish MU's list, if they are active and have companies, they will also get funds!
EVERY IRISH MU WHO FIGHT WHERE IRISH ARMY ORDERS ARE WILL BE FUNDED!
also..
castaneda to MUFC92 | 2 hours ago
Thank you for the offer , But Libertad accept no funding from states : )
This article is now about beans and toast
will read later maybe ,
@MUFC
MUFC92 to castaneda | 3 hours ago
".........most of money for MU's investment is donated by "me" (MUFC92) and only little money for that will go from Irish Bank,........"
castaneda to MUFC92 | 2 hours ago
"Thank you for the offer , But Libertad accept no funding from states : )
As i said my argument about funding is not for Libertad but for the citizens of Ireland who will lose out ."
support but hopefully mus don't get greedy or power hungry and become dependent on the state like in eusa.my opinion Mpps>tax cuts> funding>reserve
o//
finally!!!some people get more active and involved in goverment's opinion,it is not a matter if you agree or disagree,it is a matter of fact that u say your opinion according to your beliefs
voted ofc
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Well since Seanan wrote this I back it.
Libertad-Ire has always fought to defend Ireland and will continue too. We have even donated supplies to the IA to support the country.
Proud citizen of Ireland, Proud member of Libertad.
Seanan is right.
^ I doubt that will be enough to win, but worth a try.
Hard voted,
Totally agree with the FIMS and your opinion about this!
This was one of my first long articles that I every single word, and you know what?
It was an dawn good article! I even learned something from this 😛
Keep up the good work \o/
Article way too long... good thing I dont need tanks... But I voted it up for the length anyway... 😉
Great article, I am in full support. I will donate 10Q6 tanks to show my support.
I'll respond to your subtle requests for clarification : )
The intention of the MU funding program is to supply sponsored MU's with WRM from the Irish mkt. Allowing the MUs to move more personnel into their weapon production companies, increasing the amount of daily weapons members receive.
In conjuction with this
The government will also create a buy-1-get-1-free program on saltpeter mines for ANY citizens who meet a very minimal criteria (being a citizen for > 1mnth for instance).
This will not only help citizens' efficiency, but help develop the Irish WRM mkt the MU program will depend upon. While also creating some extra demand for IEP helping to stabilize it's MM value.
It's really all about 'purchase power', We're 'buying' an economy, buying social development, buying targetted damage. And the system we're using creates it's own infrastructure, optimizing the return on investment.
This is why LA is viable for sponsorship while Libertad isn't, tho they are both 'independent':
LA has a pro-Irish/pro-EDEN stance. Purchasing an increase in LA's output buys us targetted dmg while earning us '+EDEN-points' for free. That's a good investment.
Lib has a pro-Irish/anti-occupation stance. Though purchasing an increase in their output would often buy us targetted dmg it would also occassionally get us 'negative EDEN-points' because EDEN is currently occupier instead of occupyee. In hard times 'EDEN-points' are the most valuable currency eIreland has! So this isn't a reliable investment.
This is an example of the multipronged/cross-mechanic strategies we are applying to maxmize benefits to the community as a whole. There are other programs in development to meet the new needs of eIreland that are expected to arise over the next few months.
So my membership of Libertad-Ire makes me an unreliable investment. Thank you for throwing all the damage I have done for this country back in my face. Sweet, you are precisely wrong. The most valuable currency we have is our people. And not just the 60 or so active fighters in the IA and ICA.
Can you guarntee you will fight in accordance with the agenda of Ireland's alliance?
Cuz that's the sort of guarntee governments need if they're going to finance.
Tbh: I wasn't in favour of this style of MU budget, knowing the minefield this sort of thing is in Ireland.
Also, people are not currency and should never ever be thought of as such.
Libertad-Ire isn't looking for finance. The ICA is apparently retaining its "right to choose", so that's not a State-MU.
Inherently unfair policies are a minefield in any jurisdiction.
"Asset" would have been the term I would use, but I was paraphrasing you.
Awesome discussion......
Might want to check Wallachians recent articles to see how EDEN HQ operates these days.
Reliable?
"Can you guarntee you will fight in accordance with the agenda of Ireland's alliance?"
sorry sweet, but are you a kinda slow learner? how often did we make our stand clear to YOU in the last months?
Seanan
As for the Salpeter Mine scheme:
The Finance Department just announced a "buy one, get one free" scheme for Salpeter Mines, which is a very good deal.
What I am offering is free loans. Bhane was so nice to pledge a 3500 gift for the first 20 takers, some of that money is still left. My scheme would be more interesting for new and smaller players who cannot afford a single mine yet. No money has to be chipped in (but of course it would make the loan smaller if you did).
In fact it could make sense to combine the two. Apply for the 2 for 1 scheme, wait for approval. If you get the go ahead from Sweet, contact me about the loan, walk away with a gift of 3500 IEP, build the Salpeter Mine and then get a 2nd Salpeter Mine for free from the Ministry of Finance.
Starkad's suggestion is a very good one, you should take him up on that offer!
Daghda, it was a rhetorical question....
@Keep the competition entrées coming
@Sweets and Starka😛 thanks for the clarification. o/
@James, I think Sweet is making the point that your MU leader will not guarantee fight in accordance with the agenda of Ireland's alliance.
o7
I think everything is well explained in article :😁
"Inherently unfair policies are a minefield in any jurisdiction"
Nothing unfair about every MU having to meet the same, very simple, requirement. The same simple requirement that hundreds of MUs around the world accept without cryin' like a lil bitch.
As some of you may know i'm coming back into this after being away for over a year. When I left we had a strong, socialized government that funded the Irish Army only and those of us who wanted to serve our country joined it and received supplies. Those who wanted to join a mercenary group did so and got to fight wherever they wanted on their own dime. Now that we have almost no tax base even the IA has become a commune based mercenary group, basically. Power comes from money. You guys killed off most of the taxes so the government is weak. I think that what Sweet and MUF are doing is a step back in the right direction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDTlQ9xgtGk