Moving Forward Together.
Roger Griswald
Friends,
Over the last month, I have been a vocal citizen calling for drastic reform to our elected executive. In my most recent article, I accuse Addy Lawrence of treason for conspiring with a political take-over group (PTO) that was endorsed by Rolo Tahmasse, a notorious liar, theif and traitor. While many, including myself, believed Lawrence to be complicit to the PTO; given his fondness for Rolo and his long delays in initiating any national defense against the PTO, I believe that any role that Lawrence may have played has been abandoned or, most likely, was merely circumstantial and not malicious against eCanada.
While slow to start, Lawrence’s cabinet worked with MU’s to fight against the PTO and was successful in preventing any Congress seats, save the one Rolo himself gained, from being captured by the PTO group.
In the weeks following the most recent congress elections, Lawrence has been incredibly active in working for eCanada, a major improvement on his performance in the first term when he seemed withdrawn form the day-to-day work our eNation. It should be acknowledged that Lawrence has strived to generate goodwill and trust amongst his detractors, including the unexpected offer for me to fill the position of Minister of Defense following Muglack’s vacancy from the post. This action and many others of late seem to be genuine maneuvers in the best interests of building a united eCanadian community, an endeavor I hardily support.
With all of Lawrence’s workings to rebuild an eCanadian society based on trust and camaraderie, there is one blemish that is poised to destroy all of his efforts: Lawrence’s failure to distance himself and our government from Rolo Tahmasse.
On many occasions in the last 15 months, Rolo has played an active role in defrauding the eCanadian citizenry; he is a perversion that aims to soil the memory of the Lawrence administration.
Rolo Tahmasse is a deviant who consistently works to undermine eCanada’s government, military and community. From vote buying to organizing PTOs to stealing thousands of gold form our treasury, Rolo has time and time again proven himself to be a criminal, yet our Country President Lawrence refuses to sever his ties to this villain. Beyond that, Lawrence has consistently written off or provided excuses to cover up Tahmasse’s illegal actions. A perfect example being the article Lawrence wrote claiming that Rolo was a turncoat mole in the PTO camp, even though Tahmasse had already caused considerable damage in aiding to PTO the UN party. Lawrence made a promise in his article that he would personally bring charges against Tahmasse for his work on the PTO, yet this has not happened.
Most recently, Lawrence noted in congress that he had thought to pardon Tahmasse of his many crimes against eCanada in exchange for Rolo’s actions of voting correctly on a Congress donation that was executed in error. This is ludicrous given that the majority of congress-members also acted accordingly, which is our job.
All of this is to say; Addy Lawrence has been fighting hard for eCanada of late, and he is gaining the support of his toughest critics, however, there is a major road block towards achieving his goal of unifying our once great nation, his inability to see Rolo Tahmasse for what he is, a liar, a cheat and a thief.
It’s time for the Addy Lawrence administration to act as the leaders they could be; prosecute Rolo Tahmasse once more for his crimes against eCanada and cease providing this criminal with safe habour in eCanada.
Let’s move forward together, unified against eCanada’s enemies.
In solidarity,
Roger Griswald
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Roger is always right !!!!!!!
I like it.
Forgive me, I'm sort of confused as to how exactly one prosecutes and convicts someone over the internet?
@ Nefarious, its more of an ex-communication from our community: http://ecanada.cc/forums/viewforum.php?f=37
The Executive Branch is separate from the Judicial Branch. I lead the Executive Branch, not the Judicial Branch. The Judicial Branch is responsible for bringing Rolo to court.
I have not forgotten my promise in this area. I have tasked the Minister of Justice, Bunsen HoneyDew, to follow up with the Attorney General regarding charges, treason or otherwise, against Rolo in reference to the PTO of UN on October 15th. To be candid, if I was doing this directly there would be a demographic out there saying that I was tainting the process.
In the "honest politician" style that I have professed thus far, I did post in congress that I was considering a pardon for Rolo with respect to the PTO. I will also advise that I bounced this idea off of my cabinet before I posted it in congress. Note that there is support out there in congress for a pardon of Rolo regarding allegations of PTO on Oct 15th. He helped with teh ATO. Is there a majority of support? Who knows?
People are not all good, nor are they all bad. I admit that I likely see more good in Rolo than most do and it gets me into trouble because this is an unpopular point of view.
With respect to building solidarity, I freely admit that I see Rolo as a liar, a cheat and a thief. To his detractors, I challenge you to take a hard look at Rolo's subterfuge with the PTO threat and search for heroism and patriotism. I don't ask you to forgive him for the outlandish theft he perpetrated during his first term as CP and I don't ask you to forget the interference he has run in CP elections by impersonating parties and what not. These are wrong. I only ask that you consider the mix of good and bad in the mosaic of Rolo.
That pic is quite interesting, with "love" spelled backwards. Is a revolution backhanded love? Does love exist in a revolution if you look hard enough? This ties into the them of there being good and bad parts to a whole.
eCanada is worth saving. All of it. The good parts and the bad parts.
^ It is kind of tough when then offender decides he does not want to play along.
^And all of this is nothing if not play.
@ Addy Lawrence: I am glad to hear to plan to encourage the judiciary to prosecute Rolo, that is most welcome. I am also happy to hear you acknowledge Rolo as a liar, a cheat and a thief. While I can assume that Rolo has good in him, I fear that he often ignores the instinct to be a productive member of our society, instead he undermines and divides us with acts in contravention to our laws.
I am not asking you as Addy Lawrence to take action by distancing yourself from Rolo (though I would support you doing so), I am rather asking you as our Country President to enforce the will of our courts and our people, and treat Rolo Tahmasse with the respect he has earned due to his actions against eCanada.
😁 The Butthurt is strong in this one...
Indeed, it would be sad if Addy's term was defined by Rolo
Also, @Addy
Seeing more good in Rolo than most does not get you into trouble because it is an unpopular position to take, it gets you into trouble because it's plain foolish.
Addy = Unity!
This is the first time I've seen a CP actually and honestly make an attempt to unify eCanadians.
PROSECUTE ROLO!
If people actually wanted to prosecute Rolo, go ahead and do it. Any citizen can bring a case before the courts. It's been three weeks of calling for a case. Do it yourselves if you don't think that Addy will or is taking to long.
But then again, if Rolo was prosecuted per this request, people wouldn't have as much to write about. So, carry on.
"I have not forgotten my promise in this area. I have tasked the Minister of Justice, Bunsen HoneyDew, to follow up with the Attorney General regarding charges"
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There is no Attorney General.
No AG was appointed, oliver. However, the Minister of Justice has indicated that Brutas33 is still working as AG and is involved in the Rolo case.
Yes, the expiry of Brutas33's appointment was made known, so we can suppose that his reconfirmation was just skipped as an unnecessary formality. Just leave him be?
Btw, good approach to this article, Griswald. It actually combines political pressure with popular appeal through the media in a way that isn't ineffectual complaining nor a misrepresentation of facts. Hmm, it doesn't use any insults either. Must be some kind of new concept to community gaming in eCanada. Hope it works.
"Roger is always right !!!!!!!"
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Lets prosecute Rolo and ban him from the eCan forum's!!
also no one ever mentions how he was illegally impeached which led to the theft, not condoning it but it never does get mentioned.
but
Rylde actively fights agaisnt and undermines eCanada during its skirmish with Sweden and gets a slap on the wrist
MG/Maedoc/SWAC steals money using someone elses account, gets his appeal granted and now is apart of CAF high command
its to bad eCanada and Rolo cant come together, find some sort of middle ground and get past this shit. Rolo is probably one of the best minds in this game and it would be nice to see him officially on our side again.
LOL one of the best minds in this game?
crisfire man, get out of ecanada a little bit
you dont even play the game so ill take your comment for what its worth.
MG uses a differnet account to gain access to eCan after being conficted of theft and banned from eCan to appeal his sentence and wins his appeal and gets promoted to CAF HC but god forbid we try and work out a deal with Rolo to put this shit in the past where it belongs.
indeed crisfire, I don't play the game yet I still know enough to know that Rolo isn't "one of the best minds in the game"
lol silly billy
Crisfire, this 'Moving Forward Together' idea isn't going to work so well if you keep pointing out people 'Better Left Behind'
Rylde and MG cooperated with the process laid out to get them back into the forums.
A 960 Gold maximum fine with the OPEN OPTION to negotiate a better deal on Rolo's own terms could have easily been a slap on the wrist, too.
Some people just have too much pride to suck up to the team for a quick fix. Granted, Rolo's got more backbone than MG, but a little less hubris would have been easier to work with, cuz now we're moving forward (mostly) together.
(admission: not really playing the game now but was back then and my memory is mostly okay)
I hope that next month you will candidate for CP.
@ Plugson
you fail to account for 4 factors
1) Olivermellors putting the "fix" in the decision that it was "only for the initial theft and for that alone" I was tipped off by a reliable source that he had done so that he could immediately have me charged for playing a part in the Wes Lewis thefts and justify a re-banning
2) Kronos Q as eCan forum admin saying under no circumstances would I be given forum access regardless of SC decision.
3) SC has no lawful authority over eCan forum admins so by the sounds of it, SC could not guarantee the terms of any "negotiation" from their end
4) Farce of a trial where I was unable to even post in my defense
Would you attempt to negotiate under these terms if you were in my position? I'd say you'd be justified in being skeptical to say the least...
@eCanadians; it is so sad that Rolo's best defense to why he wouldn't simply plead guilty to a charge of theft is that he had committed so many other crimes that he feared that charges would continue to mount against him.... a real hero and patriot?
As for Point 1):
The terms of sentencing were open to negotiation. You could have appproached the SC to pay the fine and negotiate to have the other charges dropped. Oliver is but one judge. There were several others able to vote on a negotiated proposal.
2) Yes, refusal to grant you forum access was the main reason why we had to use counsels for representation. We wanted masking for testimony but that was refused. If a settlement had been negotiated, Kronos Q is but one monkey on a panel of admins that can vote on forum access for a member. The others had not spoken on this.
3) In a following appeal and another clarification, the dynamic of the SC and the forum admins was better hammered out. It happened because there was a case that necessitated a clarification/challenge. The same challenge and clarification would have ensued had you reached a settlement and the forum admins refused to comply. It would have just slowed down the resolution of the case while we went through that process.
5) Noted in Point 2. The SC and Admins were at odds over this. Since representation was a possibility, it seems it was chosen as a quick solution to move ahead with the trial.
Would I have negotiated under those terms?
Yes, I would have opened up dialogue to determine what options were available and presented some demands to ensure that I was protected from any traps. You would not have had to pay RIGHT away. Payment could have been arranged after the problem with the SC/forum admins was cleared up and the other charges were dropped. But then you had Muglack as your lawyer so some of those possibilities might have been overlooked. Negotiations may well have failed anyhow and we would be right in this same situation, yet we'll never know for sure since no dialogue occurred.
These are all possibilities that are quite obvious to those that were involved. I've just posted them here for new people and those who were not following the case.
btw, what did end up making the trial a bit of a farce was the whole "fake counsel" thing. Evidence and testimony were strong, though "In Court" masking was the weak link.
but really...did being declared innocent have any chance of happening? could anyone have expected a fine lesser than 960 Gold (0.69 mebbe?)? could an open invitation to negotiate offered a better chance for a slap on the wrist?
People were ready to toss the SC out after that ruling. Nobody, including Crisfire, should complain about others getting a slap on the wrist. It's only because they put their hand out.
stfu Rolo. Ship out and rob ePoland.
Has the 960g been paid yet via the hate, commotion and trolling that goes on around here over this issue?
Perhaps if people were prepared to forgive, people would be willing to repent. Perhaps if people were prepared to repent, people would be willing to forgive. The problem is that this is a chicken and egg thing and nobody wants to go first. I found this out first hand trying to broker a reconciliation deal during Rolo's second term as CP. It didn't work.
There is no "deport" button, the only way to resolve this is through...
...rLOVEultion
Bwah-HaHa - all this from the same EPIC and CPP elites who just tried to get another known liar and thief elected as CP.
Do you people actually believe your own BS or is this comedy?
Either way, its F-ING HILARIOUS!!! I love this place!
Day by day, Addy becomes more and more defined by his foolish defence of Rolo instead of his capacities as a leader.
Maybe Addy is bored?
True feelings coming to light?
Biggest problem of all...eRepublic does not support our need for a Judicial system and players can be bought...the only place to enforce anything is on the forums...till eRep gives eGovs a working Judicial system for ingame use there isn't much that can be done . Theives will continue to exploit players and the system. We could all try and ignore Rolo, but you know what he would do to that...he would cause another PTO...What's the best solution? I don't see one...Rolo keeps buying his seat in congress and then does things to make players think he is important...We waste so much time on Rolo it is really sickning...We have an economy in rough condition, we don't have the regions we need for the best bonuses, we want to better fund MU's...and with all this talk about Rolo we don't get anything productive talked about. Once we start taking something important Rolo trolls the article or discussion...Rolo is wasting our time!
Down with the economy. Down with region bonuses. Down with MU funding.
Rolo and Norsefire will prevail.
Strength through Unity, Unity through Faith!
Wally raises an interesting point, perhaps it is time for new leadership in the Norsefire party...
@ Plugson
The fact is the court is supposed to be a "neutral" body. The first act of "good faith" should have been a court order at least allowing access for my trial (I will leave the suspicious nature of my first trial ending in a mistrial for another debate)
Would I have been found innocent, no, but perhaps more a shred of faith in the process. You can see by olivermellors open hostility towards me now as evidence of his "unbiasness" that was likely present in the trial. I knew this before hand, and early decisions in the trial only served to re-enforce my opinions on the matter
Cripes, does it matter if you felt one judge didn't like you when you had an open platter to present your own preferrable resolution? Did it matter that Oliver only ever had 1 vote on the final ruling that would have followed a negotiated settlement and the other 3 justices still had a voice/vote independent of his?
Your distrust of him and disdain for the SC/forum admins squandered the opportunity to have a slap on the wrist that would have put an end this huge investment of people's efforts/attention. Now Addy and Temujin are putting themselves out there for a friend in order to fix what that friend could have taken care of more easily himself, long ago.
None of this matters now. Pointless disucssion. Can't fix the past and now we've moved on to debating the unfairness of your impeachment and attempts to repay on your own terms at that time. All you did was pass on working with a small and confliced panel of 4 people (who were at least trying to be unbiased) and move the negotiation to an 40-person tribunal/Congress that had already vehemently expressed their bias and hate for you.
For the brilliant strategist many describe you as, I hope you can see the fail in this trade-off.
The opinions of the 4 person SC panel do not hold ruling over the opinion of the 40 person tribunal/congress
Assumimg my "agreement/negotiation would have appeased 2 of the 3 justices on the panel, is no guarantee that would sway the future opinion of a majority of the tribunal/congress - so that point is moot.
I'm still confused by the "strict deadline" I was given for restitution.. don't recall that being the case for any other "convicts"
Silly Rolo, still harping about a roleplay court after all these months
"The opinions of the 4 person SC panel do not hold ruling over the opinion of the 40 person tribunal/congress."
In other words, even a perfect trial would not have earned your participation. See, entire discussion is pointless. Why even go over the details.
Don't defame the image of Ron Paul's glorious campaign with this nonsense game. Lol
I agree with the article tho. Voted.
in the two+ years i have played, i have never told a lie. Never. I have never done anything dishonest. Never.
This "olivermellors was going to fix it to have me prosecuted again" is getting attention again. I had no ability to "fix" anything. Nor would I if i could. It is dishonest. Do not think that because Rolo is clearly dishonest, everyone else is as well.
rolo had three lawyers. Their job is to speak for him. Even in a real court, an accused isn't allowed to speak in addition to the lawyer. We don't triple and quadruple team. The forum admin decision was unfortunate, but affected absolutely nothing.
Rolo was permitted to present any evidence he wanted.
the evidence against rolo was his own articles and his own human voice, speaking in a podcast. He admitted the theft over and over, and continues to admit it.
The Court, because i raised the issue, DISMISSED charges against Rolo persuant to the criminal code. In my written opinion, additional charges were "rolled into" the main charge of theft, resulting in a single conviction instead of multiple duplicative convictions.
If you actually read my opinion, it specifically refers to a principle called "kineapple" which would probably prevent conviction for the "Wes Lewis" thefts. But, as is my style, I don't actually decide until something is before me for decision.
That Rolo stole an awful lot of our money is undoubted. That he was involved in a subsequent massive theft is highly likely, and he certainly says he was. Rolo will never disagree with the central point: "yes, I certainly did steal a lot of money".
But, as plug notes, Rolo would be objecting, even to a perfect trial.
addy: you write "Has the 960g been paid yet via the hate, commotion and trolling that goes on around here over this issue?"
Yes THE COMMUNITY has paid it, over and over and over. Rolo has paid nothing. But you know that. If you wish to help the community, if you want the community to stop having to PAY for Rolo's behaviour, over and over and over, an appropriate avenue is to accept what is obvious. He is dishonest and offers nothing to the community except further cost. He has been banned from the forums and IRC. It doesn't much affect his gameplay. Leave it at that and move on. Give him no position or influence and move on. Do not put your name, your credibility and your reputation behind him. Your reputation suffers from it. Just move on.
and finally on the "fixing" buloney, here is what I said publicly, at the time, and which reflects my general "we don't decide in advance" attitude:
Max Maher
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Max Maher Day 1,216, 22:32
I guess this sentencing is only related to the first thief. About the other robbery which happens back to January, does Rolo will still remain banned?
olivermellors
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olivermellors Day 1,216, 22:54
😁^
max: Rolo's sentence for this "first" theft is a permanent ban. He can choose to have that sentence reduced by making a decision in the next ten days, and following through. He doesn't follow through, the permanent ban sticks.
As to the other thefts alleged against rolo, no one has come forward to charge him with that or anything else. If someone presents a charge(s) the Court will deal with it appropriately.
also, no one has come forward on rolo's behalf to challenge the Admin's imposition of a permaban. If someone presents such a challenge the Court will deal with it appropriately.
Thank you for your constructive comment.
My two cents.
No one has legitimately opened a case regarding Rolo under my Court. There was talk of a possible appeal, a loose request to modify his sentence.
The place to formally start Court proceedings is not that hard to find on the forums. It is not our job to start cases. Anyone can bring a case against Rolo.
Regarding the admin and SC relationship.
The SC has power granted by the Constitution, the admin team is bound to respect the Constitution because they all agreed to the Admin ToS agreement located in the member support area of the forum.
If Kronos Q were to hypothetically refuse a Court Order I'm confident Neoice (the backend/root admin) will respect the ToS agreement they all signed.
Great article.