Lost Love: Can Australia Love Indonesia?
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by Majester
By now you have heard about the PANAM alliance, Brazil's objection to Australia joining and insistence that Indonesia be considered instead. Why Brazil still hate us is questionable. Our war was frantic, exciting, and largely honourable. Perhaps they prefer us as enemies because of this. Indonesia... well enough said. The enmity is well founded in a long history of dirty tricks and brazen contempt. The US is prepared to consider, but prefers both of us in. This requires us to be large and kiss and make up.
It does beg the question: If Australia and Indonesia are to share an alliance; are the conditions tenable?
Australia has a raw material economy since v1. Most companies we own churn our raw material. Our foreign reserves are earned via raw materials. v2 removed all our raw materials except Grain. Fair enough - we could just transition our raw companies ... except that Indonesia took our Grain. So we either grab an Oil from Indonesia in exchange or invade New Zealand for their surplice Iron.
In a PANAM Alliance admission deal; will Australia be allowed a functioning economy? Will Indonesia be prepared to import Grain from Australia and other allied friends in an effort to play nice or will Australia be left crippled with a scant 5% Resource for manufacturing across the board in addition to flushing all its raw materials companies?
Don't blame us for being a tad sceptical about the brilliance joining an alliance including Indonesia or wary of Indonesia's intent. It is no accident that Indonesia made a beeline to South Australia.
For Indonesia, self-sufficiency is more important than regional security through friends.
For Indonesia, there is nothing wrong with stealing from neighbours.
For Indonesia, loyalty to friends is for losers.
For Indonesia, honour is what you demand of others so that you can get your way.
If any of this is a lie - let Indonesia withdraw from South Australia and Western Australia, and be content to rent Northern Territories instead. Forgive Australia for being sceptics.
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Great article as always Majester.
If we rented them NT i would be fine with that and being apart of PANAM would secure our borders.
Australia had something Indo wanted. To our "allies", we are an afterthought. We need to make our own way in the world now.
eAustralia: we want to join PANAM
eIndonesia: we agreed to join PANAM without eAustralia
eUSa: eIndonesia or eAustralia? Well eIndonesia is stronger, sorry eAustralia
eIndonesia: great, lets conquer eAustralia together
eAustralia: FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!
This is a horrible sub-par, subjective, and a pathetic one sided way of saying things.
As long as you think that way of eI, I doubt they'll stop forcing through your lands. Like cursing someone who might want to end it all but then again, they hear you cursing and hits you again. Fool.
I dont know what is ur problem with eIndonesia, Majester. Is seem to me from ur article that u really know 100% about eIndonesia.
U think that eIndo citizen dont know about "Loyalty"? "Honour"?
An even when our Gov both eAus and eIndo wanna make a new fresh start between the two Nations?
Well Feel Free to Express Ur Opinion, i dont give a damn about ur grudge to eIndonesia but BEWARE because not ALL eIndonesia Citizen will think the same like me after read this article.
Brazil dont hate Australia.
But BIA is always our top priority 🙂
Indonesia paid with their own blood to save ours many times, and Brazil will always do the same for them.
But honestly, i'm still not quite sure about how will PANAM works...
Brazil has many friends who are enemies of USA and enemies of USA's friends.
It can be exciting, and sometimes our worst enemy can become our greatest ally.
But i dont know, it will be interesting to watch..
We can have total peace when you guys stop with the condescending views about us. It only benifits making your people feel better about themselves, but at the cost of foreign relations with your neighbors, which kinda defeats the point of giving it a fresh start.
this article its enough, i think both the egov already make up their minds.
but this article is so harassing, what is the eaustralia want anyway?
if you ask to keep fighting e indo will gladly welcome.
pity...
hm...
so??
vote hard !!!!
because eAussie is a crybaby, and a burden for any alliance
nuff said
This is a horrible sub-par, subjective, and a pathetic one sided way of saying things x2
You better asked eArgentina and eRussia whose lands occupied by eIndonesia. But when they befriend us, no blood nor golds were too expensive to burn alongside brother like them
Australia doesn't have the population numbers to justify them having the resources that are currrently in Indonesia's hands.
Best bet if you want to have a functioning nation to build something from......Peace out with Indonesia, Join in the probable assault on eNZ and grab one of the Iron regions (Indo will take Deer, Argentina will take the Grain.)
Then start making babies.
ratain aja lah oz.... banyak omong
This is a horrible sub-par, subjective, and a pathetic one sided way of saying things x3
Eh, I'm fine with Indonesia joining.
If there's a chance of a fresh start, we should definitely take the chance and improve our relations with countries we were considering enemies all the time.
First of all, it's just a game, not a real world, no one is going to die because of a bad decision. Secondly, if it doesn't work, we can tell off eIndo and seek another alliance.
For now, I'd say the best and only way to see eAus rise from ashes and prosper is negotiating peace with eIndo. The longer we're fighting them, the more people, resources and morale we lose. Sometimes you must forget and forgive if you want to survive, and surviving is the main goal.
Well, not every Indos want peace with Oz, you must aware of that..
even there's talk to impeach the president for being "weak" and not really informative about this secret plan to join PANAM, even when majority said no when we held a rally..
I myself support this decision, although I am a little bit upset with government secrecy about this matter.. but in order to make things work properly, one thing that must be done is we must respect each other.. no more bashing and flaming and ill intention.. from BOTH side..
of course, there's problem with "old friends" and "old enemies", not to forget some Oz' territories which currently in Indos occupation.. I understand about Oz's concerning about this subject.. but if this PANAM really wanna happen, I think there will be serious talk about it.. try to find win-win solution for both side..
@alfagrem: great idea
"This is a horrible sub-par, subjective, and a pathetic one sided way of saying things."
Well from recent history, majesters article is very spot on. eIndo's have unjustifiably attacked eAustralia and have wiped us once and almost twice. They PTOed us for 6 miserable months.There CP is a resource seeking whore who will not even consider friendship without them taking three of our regions. See the pattern on rising?
Ignorance is bliss.
This is only one opinion.
We will come again if you attack us, you know?
It sounds like Australia has been sold out to its enemy by its so-called friends.
take it or leave it... its done!!!
@Sychev Draienfeld : So eInd will stop bullying eAus when we submit. Nice attitude, and so wrong in its basic assumption. eInd never stops bullying - we have 2 years of interaction and oppression to prove it. Stop lying to yourself and look in the mirror.
@Alfagrem : ... So its okay to take things from people that you don't believe deserve them? I guess that's how Empires were built, and why its okay take kiddies' tuck money. There are terms for such particular antisocial attitude. Thief and bully are but two.
Actions result in reactions. Our attitude is a consequences of your behaviour. Wake up to who you are and save us the drama.
There are certainly ways that we could go about fixing things, if we had reasonable, non-biased governments hung up over old grudges in both Australia and Indonesia. Something amicable could be made out. Indonesia does need raw materials, they could as much take 1 or 2 territories to service those needs. I'm not much of a political mind, but there would be other things that could be worked out.
eh, do a self introspecting instead first
>"@Alfagrem : ... So its okay to take things from people that you don't believe deserve them? I guess that's how Empires were built, and why its okay take kiddies' tuck money. There are terms for such particular antisocial attitude. Thief and bully are but two"
The war module is an auction and 9 times out of 10 the side willing to chuck more gold in will win (the other win being a result of the losing sides 'overbid' not covering the disparity in population/active fighters).
The 'debated' resources would generate more gold when added to Indonesia then it would added to Australia, therefore the guys who will be fighting with Indonesia (PANAM) have a vested intrest in making sure that Indonesia can 'bid' more in every battle.
Australia needs to live within it's means and it needs to live in the real eWorld.
Perhaps with some stability behind you then you can develop your nation to the point where possesion of your native regions is a possibility.
The easiest path towards that goal would seem to be under PANAM as it will make any future region swaps an internal matter between friends.
And... We're probably doomed...
Unless.....
@majester
erep = war game
war game = conquer other region
There is no love and will no love ever be between eAustralia, eIndonesia and their multinesian puppets. We can not make friends with people who do not understand the words "Loyalty" and "Honour", or was the multinesian pto a loyal and honourable thing to do?
"live in the real eWorld." its called being pragmatic
Love can be found in many places even in Stockholm
eRep is more than a war game. There is commerce and politics too, something that the AnD org should know well.
Indos are bullies. Their way of making "peace" involves us giving them what does not belong to them. I cannot respect anyone who bullies others. I would love for this to change, but Indo seems incapable of this.