Letter to the German citizens
Dio Jazar
Dear citizens of Germany,
Dear citizens of the world,
in this article I want to clarify a number of things for the German citizens, as well as make a few statements.
The last weeks have been a turmoil of events. The war machines have been unleashed and are showing their full power, countries are taking a political and military stance and both great articles as misleading propaganda have taken the headlines of the news. Especially the news I see and hear regarding Germany worries me and I feel the need to clarify a number of things.
West Siberian Region
But first of all I want to congratulate Romania and Atlantis for a great battle. After an initial victory for Indonesia, Romania has managed to recapture the region in the single largest battle yet thus returning the conflict to the borders it started with.
Germany
In Germany there is a heated debate on the joining of an alliance. There are a number of articles with misleading information and often even false facts. Though one article even said that in PEACE GC a small country would have no voice, I can assure you this assumption holds no ground. In fact, I have access to all information within PEACE GC. So let me show you something:
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I don’t think I can be more clear.
The German government at the time in secrecy decided to join PEACE. As an Alliance we care for our members and we wanted to help Germany in returning their regions. During the revolts and with the help of the PEACE freedom fighters Germany reclaimed its original territory. Afterwards Indonesia immediately gave Germany access to a Q5 hospital.
In order to let things run more smoothly within Germany the plan was to keep Germany as a secret member for now. In the meanwhile Germany could arrange its internal affairs and later on the German-Austrian Union also became part of this. As for protection, every country in the world knew that PEACE had helped Germany in gaining freedom, so several PEACE countries signed Mutual Protection Pacts with Germany.
However, it is with the Union of Austria and Germany where the problems started. The contract regarding this Union, ultimately a decision between Chicco and Isy, also contained training for citizens of Hungary. Hungary had a Mutual Protection Pact with Germany and the attack of Austria on Germany would trigger this MPP and open a war between Austria and Hungary as well. A part of the costs would be split and in return Hungary got a training ground for its soldiers. However, while this was in progress, Chicco suddenly bursted into anger about the Hungarian attack. An attack which was part of the deal. Also Isy, the new president, seemed to have ‘forgotten’ the fact that Germany already applied for membership at PEACE GC.
Now, we are in a stage of uninformed German citizens, and even politicians, being mislead by false information in the news and on the forums. Hungary’s training ground at Burgenland is presented as an act of aggression, while it’s part of the contract. PEACE GC is presented as untrustworthy alliance that would not help a country like Germany. But in fact PEACE GC is the Alliance that made sure the liberation of a high number of German regions was such a success, releasing Germany from the grip of an Atlantis nation. It was PEACE GC that helped Germany in regaining their freedom, while it was Atlantis oppressing Germany. For the German citizens, this should be a clear fact.
Deceit and concerns
I’m concerned with the fact that Isy and Chicco suddenly started to push Germany in the direction of Atlantis, while not telling their citizens what actually happened. They pretended to be holding up their end of the bargain, but then suddenly switched sides. This became clear for me when Chicco’s stance over a night changed from “The best course of action, IMO, is to firmly anchor Germany-Austria in PEACE.” to “Hungary must be expelled from the alliance” and “There is only one reason why Germany-Austria would join Atlantis: if PEACE fails to protect her.”The reason he gave was the attack made by Hungary, the attack that was a clear part of the contract. Thus either Chicco just had his facts wrong (which I can forgive him) or it is just a total scam.
I hope this article clarifies the current situation for the German citizens and my explicit response in this article .
If Isy and Chicco want to act this way, through means of deceit and betrayal, then that’s their choice (though I hope they can explain themselves so I can retract these words). But I do not want the German citizens, closely related to my own nation, to be dragged through the mud because these two politicians tried to mislead them.
Any response is welcome and I will gladly try to answer every question.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Jazar
p.s: Chicco and/or Isy, if I’m wrong about either or both of you my apologies. If you do not have the intend of suddenly switching sides and joining Atlantis, my apologies. I for one am fully willing to publicly make an apology iff I'm wrong about your intentions. But for now I can just base my opinion on your actions, or lack of action.
Comments
I really hope that Germany is not going to join Atlantis. I have fought for Germany. When I was president of the eNetherlands I was urging my nation to make good relations with Germany. And I thought we managed to do so.
So let us try to see what are the facts and what is miscommunication and make a united and peaceful cooperation possible.
Every word in this article i must SIGN.
Point is that Atlantis was always enemy to Germany.Remember 3 German wars in history.Every time PEACE(before making PEACE GC,your allies also have been our today members)defended you.
Then also in January German government called PEACE to help and liberate whole Germany.PEACE GC helped you again.We liberated Germany together.Then you were `friend´ of PEACE.
We believed to Germany and after all of this we didnt say you must join us.Also in that time Indonesia borrowed 700 golds to Germany and you never give it back.Also PEACE GC gave you chance to unite with out member Austria.What happened then?Hungary took Burgenland just to have military trainings.Chicco spammed your media with idiotic lies about PEACE GC.Despite that we again supported Germany.Then again you started negotiations about joining PEACE GC.
Why?Your government thinks i am stupid?Germany applied just to take Burgenland and not because you maybe feel we are your friends.
That is move of coward not noble country.
Germany i lost my trust in you,because Germany always acted in German interest.Take a look around,imagine that PEACE GC acted like your government...Germany still could be part of Sweden.
Germany open eyes,dont do things that you dont want to feel on your skin.
What about Atlantis?Is there anything positive about Atlantis moves in Germany?I think nothing.But anyway your government has interest in Atlantis,in German enemy because you again want to achieve your goals and you dont care about anything else.
Germany dont play double.
Secretary General of PEACE
Btw my comment is for your government because i know that people cant do much in Foreign Affairs.I just wanted to show facts and truth to German people 🙂
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> (Zocky and Jazar please read the whole contract!!!)
Yes I read this, but the problem started before anything illegal was done. Chicco was going mad about the attack an sich (which was legal but he said Hungary should be expelled from the alliance), we suddenly didn't hear from Germany regarding PEACE anymore and there apparently were negotiations with Atlantis?
This stopped Hungary from helping to hand over te region, as why would they do so if Germany suddenly seemed to reach out to Atlantis?
1) There was a request to join PEACE and afaik it was just not official yet.
2) There's also something as trust, but I'm not involved in this matter.
3) No, but it's a sign of the relationship between PEACE and Germany. It immediatly protected SH with a double Q5.
4) Did I say that? I specifically state that we care for our members. Of course cutting off Sweden from their High Grain region is a good thing, but isn't it also a good thing for Germany?
5) Problems started before this, that's the big issue.
In my opinion, there was never any need for making such a big issue about this. PEACE GC helped Germany regain it's freedom, and the government at that time only didn't enter PEACE officially. If Isy would have been more clear and stated the facts as they were, there wouldn't even have been an incident about Burgenland at all.
Maybe I am missinformed but problems started with Hungary. Please watch the progress in the German Congress and in the public opinion. There was no PEACE making clear that Hungary should hand over Burgenland.
There was only a PEACE saying nothing against Hungary. And do not tell my anything of negotiations that takes time. Only one word from PEACE to Hungary would have been enough - but unfortunately we haven't seen such things. Only Hungarians saying that Germany has no backup from PEACE to do the Union.
It is not only Isy to decide it alone and Hungary was the key to change the mind about PEACE.
Thoughtful and sober comment by Carl Gustaf Holding.
As for the PEACE propaganda, I don't even comment that anymore. Everyone who has learnt to read knows that Hungary violated the contract. Everyone with even a basic understanding of the eRep military module also knows that there was no reason for Hungary to attack Burgenland in the first place, let alone conquer the region. 'Nuff said.
Peace GC created this problem themselves.
You must realize that you can't just add countries secretly to an alliance like that. I don't know how many times I've said 'Hey guys, Germany is already a member of Peace GC, why not make it official?' and have been met by a wall of Germans shouted that 'We are neutral!!!'.
And they said so cause they believed so. The German people has done nothing wrong.
Peace GC was also behind the Operation Burning Spirit. Sweden and Germany was no where near war. Six regions had already been eLiberated with no strings attached. Totally free. Sweden and the Swedes supported a free and sovereign Germany, we had an agreement with the German leaders to keep Schlesiwig - Holstein for Grain Production. Peace GC took an opportunity to strike against one Neutral country and one Atlantis country and did it well.
From there on you screwed up by continuing to play behind the backs of the German people.
Peace GC you can't just place a country in your alliance without asking the citizens in that country. I find it quite ironic how you begin with saying that Peace GC is democratic and listens to the 'small countries'. Well good for Netherlands then since it is indeed a small country and perhaps what Jazar says is enough to represent the Citizens of Netherlands.
But Germany is not a small country, so try again.
How many RW-s was in Burgenland? The second rw (middle of the Hungary-Romainia war) was started by Quicksilver because Germany asked for. In this rw many hungarians fight for the resistance and some defend it (the official statment was that we must gave back this region), and how many friendly Atlantis tanks defended it? 🙂 In the top the of the defenders we can see two atlantis tanks with over 4500 damage (Pluvio and Scott). Why fought atlantis agains Germany?
At least this region is a worthless, it has only strategic function. I think this is only a good subterfuge to join Atlantis.
Peace GC you can't just place a country in your alliance without asking the citizens in that country. I find it quite ironic how you begin with saying that Peace GC is democratic and listens to the 'small countries'
Well said Misho, wise words.
Austrian citizens were never asked if they agreed with the union with Germany. And PEACE GC will support them.
This is another clear sign that Germany-Austria is getting divided and is in danger of total political, economical and military chaos if it succumbs to the international subversive political games of the superpowers PEACE and ATLANTIS. The union has no realistic chance of surviving, let alone growing in wealth, influence and power if it chooses to give it's allegiance to either one of the current dominant alliances.
The only way of survival and growth for the German-Austrian Union is a third, non-PEACE, non-ATLANTIS aligned power bloc. Work on developing the ESA with countries like Belgium, the Czech Republic, and others to prevent a civil war in Germany-Austria, and to prevent smaller and weaker nations from being usurped by PEACE or ATLANTIS. It is the only way for the German and Austrian people to take their faith in their own hands and to be able to decide their future.
I'm going to ignore the PEACE Vs. Atlantis issue right now and adress something on the case of AGU. There has been a lot of talk about Austrians getting angry about Germany siding with Atlantis, well ok Metallon, I get you're pissed but so far you've been the only one to voice your displeasure. Please leave the 'AGU' out of this mess, it isn't having any issues and is only the victim of misleading media information.
actually i find it very disappointing. though Misho normally flaming around he has a point.
I truly believed that we are neutral and i still want to. i will confirm it for myself if our Prez tricked us into believing we're neutral. if it's true i will support any president who really makes us neutral with friendly foreign affairs.
After our independence we never did anything neither against ATLANTIS nor against PEACE. I was responsible for the contract with Hungary concerning our Union Jazar. And I can tell you that we all agreed on that union and that Hungary will directly hand over Burgenland.
But they attacked Burgenland, ok they were allowed to but it was only to start a mess and to provoke us. Otherwise it should have been possible for the Hungarian Army to win the RW in Burgenland even against two ATLANTIS fighter.
After we have reached the borders to Burgenland they denied to open battles and we (government) realised that Hungary tries to not fulfil it's contract.
We have informed Zocky and I have informed some Indonesians about our Union and problems with Burgenland. So PEACE knew about the problem but supported Hungary because ... idk maybe they are more worth than Germany? maybe they are better people to violate contracts? what the hell? (just some thoughts of us that time)
It is funny to just blame Chicco for not sticking to a contract. I can tell you that there is no decision about joining PEACE or ATLANTIS yet. And yes we have spoken to Sweden all the time to find a peace in the SH question, the embargos and ... But this could never be the reason to not hand over Burgenland.
In my eyes and I am sorry now to say so: Misho is right that PEACE GC and its attitude in Burgenland together with Hungary and their behaviour are the reasons for that tensions at the moment. I have written to end this mess in just handing over Burgenland immediately, but nothing happened.
Just some views from one working on that contract.
Let´s join PEACE
From the "PEACE or ATLANTIS?" Thread in the eGerman forum:
Starkad Rorlikson: Peace has set us a deadline that runs out today to decide about joining PEACE or else...
Is that true?
@DKN: you don't have the same access as I do and Chicco had, and I can tell you Chicco created this mess before and during the initial attack. I don't blame him for not sticking to the contract, but he provoked and caused the whole incident in my opinion.
This already started before Germany reached the border and that is where I think that Hungary's problem lies. Especially if you read Chicco insinuating that Hungary should be expelled from the alliance, he caused a lot of trouble.
I think this mess can easily be cleaned, but everyone's intentions need to be clear.
I really dont know why chicco could be the reason for not giving GERMANY Burgenland but you are right I have no access, not even an account on the forum and do not know what happened.
I just doubt that chicco is the real reason. I were on the Hungarian IRC never got this as reason for not giving Burgenland. They found every day a new reason to not give it to us even though it is worthless for them.
Facts are:
- we have a contract with Hungary
- they do not stick to it
- PEACE has done nothing to ensure that contract
- and this created the mess in our congress
Solution:
- Apology by Hungary
- hand over of Burgenland
That easy it is!
DKN, Chicco actually had a lot to do with it.
But you have an interesting solution- I don't care much for an apology because I feel as if both sides have wronged each other (Germany moreso than anyone, just in my opinion). Could a deal be made to free Burgenland in exchange for Germany fully joining PEACE? Could this be done?
It's in my eyes the reason Hungary didn't do more than the basic (RW+fights) to return Burgenland, as I think they were very offended by Chicco's behaviour.
The solution imho is:
- Germany joins PEACE as it intended. This info should clear up things in your congress.
- Burgenland is to be handed over to Germany.
- Apologies should be made by both sides. Germany for not showing their intentions, Hungary for not handing over Burgenland. Just formalities imho, but necessary.
Agreed Jazar, I think that would be a fine solution. Would you join our IRC to talk about this?
I also agree with Jazar. This entire thing seems a bit childish in its own way.
I sign that also.
Let's stop pointing fingers like little children and come to a conclusion!
Let's finally resolve this nasty, annoying, and way to overrated debate.
Isy's English is far from being perfect, but that English in the mail looks so crooked that I'm not sure if Isy actually wrote that. Statement?
Batyek... I think that was the first reasonable and understandable statement I have read so far from Hungarian side.
I agree that there should be a new contract, a new relationship between Hungary and Germany.
totally agreed, i seriously doubt tho that this will take place before retaking hungary, but it definitely should after that
yes. a new contract to solve this mess. and put it into the media of both countries so that the average citizen has a chance to understand and is not surprised again and again.
i bet a huge part why the contract didn't work was misunderstandings on the citizen level.
And perhaps throw some contractual not-aggression-pacts into the deal.
"Well said Misho, wise words.
Austrian citizens were never asked if they agreed with the union with Germany. And PEACE GC will support them."
I challenge you to produce 1 article from the time of the union where an Austrian expressed disapproval of the union. 1 article, bisiacco. I'm waiting.
It's obvious that you need to manufacture a reason to invade Austria, since, officially, you are a non-imperialist alliance. Of course, the truth is you are an aggressive and warmongering bunch who is smelling blood and can't wait to get their hands on more territory.
Just don't lie about it. That's what makes me so sick about it. It's your hypocrisy and blatant lies.
We all know there was zero resistance and almost 100% approval of the union with Germany. Everyone in eRep knows it, and your attempts to disguise this fact are ridiculous.
"The solution imho is:
- Germany joins PEACE as it intended. This info should clear up things in your congress.
- Burgenland is to be handed over to Germany.
- Apologies should be made by both sides. Germany for not showing their intentions, Hungary for not handing over Burgenland. Just formalities imho, but necessary."
Funny enough, the German side proposed this a long time ago.
Funny enough, the Hungarians rejected our demand for a contract along these lines and PEACE officials called it riciculous.
The fact that you are proposing this now and here suggests to me that you are absolutely ignorant about what has been going on here. Probably you haven't even read any of the signed contracts. Sorta like Matthieu Bonne who confessed in our chat yesterday that he didn't even know the content of the Germany/Austrian/Hungarian contract, but nonetheless saw himself fit to negotiate.
This is what I have called the "lack of sophistication" of PEACE.
"@ Chicco: You were screaming for blood before, during and after the legal attack. It wasn't even close to a violation when you already made a mess of it. If anyone is to blame about the Burgenland incident, it's you."
This is by far the most amusing post.
Well, Jazar, history proved me right, didn't it?
So if I can be accused of anything it is wise foresight 😉
If Germany continues this swinging I don't know who will trust Germany. Decide at last which alliance you would like to enter!
Without a strong alliance and wars your citizen can not maintain their wellness high, can not get experience and the population will not raise! And you also have to face a TO from both sides...
@Chicco: isn't it a self fulfilling prophecy?
@ Chicco: Oh you can be sure I read everything. And I know what you wrote even before anything happened.
You have no sense of diplomacy whatsoever and dragged Germany into this. Your false propaganda worsened relations between Hungary and Germany, while there wouldn't have to be any problem at all.
Prizma Jeno is totally right. And I'm just wondering whether you did this on purpose or not.
BTW, I think this is hilarious: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-postcard-to-the-mighty-warriors-of-peace--758792/1/20
"Thanks to Hungary's uncontrollable aggression and imperialism you might soon have Atlantis in the very center of Europe, providing them military access to core PEACE members. All for a tiny region of zero economic or strategic significance."
I wouldn't call this imperialism. When I hear that from eHungarian citizens I start to laugh every time. Sitting on a single region does not make as eRomania... its quite lame for a pax Hungarica 😃
Besides PEACE can say the same: All for a tiny region of zero economic or strategic significance.
Thanks to Hungary's uncontrollable aggression and imperialism you might soon have Atlantis in the very center of Europe, providing them military access to core PEACE members. All for a tiny region of zero economic or strategic significance."
So you are officially confirming Germany is joining Atlantis?
Just to know.
PEACE gave to Germany a deadline to communicate to us which is your decision, and this deadline is passed. Is German Government able to decide following its people will?
If yes, which was the response?
People can discuss thing what happened and for what purpose for years. What needs to be done is to try to find a solution. If people do not focus on solutions, war will be the natural cause. I am against such a war. Every one can see things can be solved. But when some leaders focus on the past, these are not good leaders. They will forget the future.
I hope the German congressman will take the opportunity to solve this problem. If not on March 25 German civilians will have their chance to change their future.
"PEACE gave to Germany a deadline to communicate to us"
See, this is exactly the problem. You set deadlines, you threaten, you blackmail, you intimidate.
What right do you have to set another country a "deadline" to join PEACE or else be invaded? What RIGHT do you have?
Do you also go around town and set people deadlines to pay you money or else you burn down their house?
You know what this is? It's classical mafia methods. No wonder. Italy seems to be the driving force here. Hehehe 🙂
As for your question, I cannot help you. I am not involved in the negotiations, nor do I want to be. I do nothing in eRep anymore except update a spreadsheet with our soldiers. In fact, I hope I will soon get banned for something so I can finally have a rest from all this.
@Jazar: Look at the above two posts. This is exactly what I'm talking about. First, calling *us* imperialists because Germany and Austria happen to have a larger number of original regions, and then threatening TO.
If you observe the Hungarian media or Hungarian comments on our media, this is the pattern you will see.
Admittedly, some of this is due to stupidity and ignorance, e.g. not even knowing the definition of "imperialism". And it's a big problem in this game because a lot of children play it. But it is hard to rationalize all such comments away like that.
P.S. The one about the impending TO was just deleted.
"PEACE gave to Germany a deadline to communicate to us"
See, this is exactly the problem. You set deadlines, you threaten, you blackmail, you intimidate.
What right do you have to set another country a "deadline" to join PEACE or else be invaded? What RIGHT do you have? We are FREE to set a deadline, we are FREE to consider silence as a negative answer.
You FREE to pay the consequences and respond to your people about your action.
You know what this is? It's classical mafia methods. No wonder. Italy seems to be the driving force here. Hehehe 🙂
This is considered by Italy a diplomatic accident by a official member of German Government.
I will report this to our Government for taking the proper measures.
You should take care of the words you are using.
Obviously you will be reported.
After long talks yesterday on german IRC, i discovered that german citizens thought that Hungary didn't do anything to free Burgenland when Germany asked for it. So we looked on ereptools.pl, checked the RW's stats - the RW was made during a battle versus Romania to make sure babies didn't fight in the RW -, and what did we see ? DKN (and a few other) fought FOR DEFENSE.
And barely NO german soldier fought for resistance, while the german gov was informed of the RW.
I really, really think that DKN, Isy and Chicco deliberately made this RW fail to point fingers on Hungary and slow (even more) their joining process.
That's definitely not a way to behave with friends.
@bisiacco: That you aren't embarrassed to write something like that. It's a game, dude. Chill out. What is going to happen next? You call up the Camorra and ask them to send a hitman to Manhattan and assassinate me?
A "diplomatic accident". Lol. I am really laughing my head off here. So, first, if anything, it is a diplomatic INCIDENT, not an ACCIDENT 😉 Second, go report me to your government. Maybe they can put out a warrant for my arrest? Maybe you can have me seized by the court in the Hague and tried for crimes against bisiacco?
Better suggestion: if you really want to get rid of me, dig up some real dirt and ask admins to ban me. Everybody has dirt in this game, you should know that. You have been banned before, haven't you 😉 I would be eternally grateful to anyone who has me banned, so I can finally quit this game and move on with my life.
Don't get me wrong, man. I am the first to concede how easy it is to go up the walls over this game. But don't embarrass yourself like that.
"I can't really agree to that, as we are just reconquering their original territory from Romania."
Read the interview with Quicksilver:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/interview-with-quicksilver-by-green-sidhe--756969/1/20
That is the definition of imperialism right there.
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Anyway, I don't want to comment point by point again. Let's just say, thank you for making an effort and addressing my points.
Personally, I am so disgruntled over it all, I just don't want nothing to do with PEACE anymore. That is just my personal assessment.
@Bonne: First off, I was shocked to find out that you hadn't even bothered to look up the contents of the contract between Austria, Germany, and Hungary. That is gross negligence, and most certainly not a way to deal with friends either. You are a total failure as a negotiator.
Secon😛 "I really, really think that DKN, Isy and Chicco deliberately made this RW fail to point fingers on Hungary and slow (even more) their joining process." First, we all know Hungary had plenty of firepower to ensure 'victory' in that RW. Second, where is your evidence showing that Germans fought on the defending side? What you are doing here is fairly irresponsible. But go ahead and fuel the fire. I anyway prefer Atlantis.
@Jazar: come to think of it, is there an advantage in starting RWs over and over versus simply attacking the region over and over? Because I still don't see why they had to conquer the region. They could have just attacked and retreated repeatedly, no? (This is a genuine question -- not an argument against you really.)
and if you seriosly wish to get rid of this game, just do not log in anymore chicco.
Chicco, how about gold!
A RW is much cheaper then an attack, so constantly making a RW that fails is cheaper then a constant attack and retreat game.
@Mappina: here's one more insult so I can get some work done over the next three days: Du bist mein absoluter Lieblings-Spaghettifresser! Ich vermisse dich und schicke dir Kuesse und Umarmungen. Dein Chicco.