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quote from u ''the only thing we need to work on, is the TRUST:''

i totaly agree whit u.

Turkey should just let Israel have one region back at least. If the Israelis want to have Independence they will need to trust the Turks but the Turks need to trust that the Israelis will trust them.

Excellent article.
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I partly agree with you. But i believe we can live together with peace, trust and with no problem.

Nobody block using your own language, or the other rights.
And a common saying: The rights cannot given, but taken.

Quick question in the issue: Is there any sort of demand for compensation from the Turks? Does that play any sort of factor in their position on the issue?

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we choose our goverment so this is their job.
Personaly ı dont have any problem with İsraeli people. This is not about religion diffrences or other things. Ofcourse everyone want to be free under their flag. But the question is. If you were us what can change. Goverments must take care about securty. Our goverment will take a decision about this. After that all of us will respect on their decision.

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The issue about security was, originally valid. When I took the helm of Israel a year ago, it was truly weak. We had lost 90% of our players already and had two companies in operation (housing and food). With maybe six active people, Israel was in bad shape. However, that situation has changed. Israel, as she would stand now, could serve as a buffer to Turkey's southern border. It is a role I would gladly serve, provided I could count on Turkish support should it be needed.

In regards to compensation, there is little needed. Turkey, truthfully, brought us to find others to fill out our nation with earnest. While I do have my issues with the Turkish invasion and the (still) current state of affairs, I do believe it is an event for which we shall be stronger.

Finally, the Turkish government COULD take action to address the most grievous of our claims: the language barrier. Prior to my 'death', only ONE person -Adonai bless them- volunteered to translate from Turkish to English. IF our equal representation was valued by the Turkish government, they would have established a person or council of people to be in charge of translating documents, articles, and comments for us.

Voted this is the way to go Israel 🙂

So true.

good luck to both side

Cmon Give israel one region! I will fight for the homeland!

quote from you ''the only thing we need to work on, is the TRUST:''

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DF hit the nail on the head here. Mutual respect will lead to healthy dialogue.

good luck israel i hope turkey helps to make israel a sovereign nation

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A group of foreigners, many of them Israelis, tried to stage a political take-over of eBulgaria at the last party presidency elections.
When they arrived we welcomed them sincerely and their spokesperson assured us of their good intentions - they said THEY JUST NEEDED A PLACE WHERE TO LIVE PEACEFULLY FOR A WHILE. And then before even getting jobs the visitors joined political parties and put up candidates for the presidency of every single eBulgarian party, insisting they meant no harm. Most of those candidates didn't post a single word and didn't return a single reply to the messages we kept sending them for days. After such actions how dare you speak about trust?

There is no justification for Israel, not even in real life.

Trust is not granted, it is earned. And it is ten times more difficult to earn when it has been betrayed in the past.
Why don't eAmerica or eRomania give eIsraelis a region?

Any of you who doubt my story can look at the comments under this article

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/nova-informacia-nova-informacia--721633/1/20

and at the election logs.

And you know most of them were israelis?
And you know they wanted to take bulgaria?

Was i there? Was badaboom there? Was GalArtsi there? Was Yotamnor there? Was denisius there?

The answer for all this questions is one: NO.

I dont think they wanted to "take over" ur country since your currency is very weak and there are no people in it, so trying to sell there anything is just Useless, you can hate me for saying that but i know its the truth.

Moreover, we cant controll each player in this world, this is democratic world and they can do what ever they feel to, But as far as i recall no one ever supported such act, or will support such act.

Our new political stand is clear, we want freedom, we want Peace, we wont take over anything, we wont betray anyone, we wont use violence before we are 100% there is just no other way.

And for last issue, you talking with me about trust, we dont have our country for like 6 months +-, 6 MONTHS!!! Is it hard for you to understand how our people feel? Or you just busy in ur own bubble defended from any evilness? Yeah thats what i tought. People can do wrong and stupid things when it comes to that, then please dont come here and scream about how bad we are, your sensation wont help you right here, but to show you that still after what i said or not said i dont support any acts of this kind, i am very sorry if you know any israeli that you think that tried to do a thing like that, and i will talk with each and every one of them.

You can see from the comments under the article I've mentioned above that Moshe Dayan admits there was a bunch of eIsraelis with him. And you can see from the comments and the election logs that they were up to no good. From the fact he wasn't representing all eIsraelis follows that you don't speak for all eIsraelis either. Why don't you people sort out your state-restoration strategy between yourselves, unite, and then plead for external support?! Unless you agree on a common political course how do we know that once eIsrael is restored another fraction stronger than yours won't take over power and break all the generous promises you're making?
It's very easy to make politically-correct vacuous statements and wishes, but it's also useless and provokes suspicion in all concerned parties.

Israel will probably be free at some time in the future. There are a lot of Israelis and even more Jews in the world, and I would guess a very good number of these speak English and have easy access to computers. This gives them a lot of potential for growth in eRepublik.

Turkey has a choice then. They can free Israel now as an ally or have an independent Israel in the future whose allegiance will likely be with Atlantis or other alliance against Turkey.

Israel also has a choice. Ask for freedom from the Turks now and take it on their terms or take it by force in the future on your own terms.

I look forward to seeing how this turns out.

As moshe dayan said there, they did not mean to take over anything.
You can tell what is the target of each person that been there, even if someone tried to get to party president, it doesnt mean that he wanted to mass up your country.
I cant speak for all my people as well, just for most of them, since its democratic world as i said, u cant rule anyone, and cant make everyone act as you want and belive in.

About dealing our own issues, we doing it this days, but we are trying to win our freedom with peace, as i said.

After we will win our country, No one, No one, will take us over since all the israelis and perhaps the jews will be there, thing that will lead to big numbers of peoples in order to maintain our politics and be steady.

The things i say now, dont come from my mouth only, but shared by 99% of the israelis/israel's supporters/ and jews as well i belive as i speak to them daily.

Regarding my country - yes, as in the real world we're doing pretty bad, that's no secret and saying it out loud causes no offense to my eCompatriots.
But bordering with eTurkey, makes us a possible staging area for an attack againts them, so we have to keep our eyes open for non-economically motivated hostile actions.

You have my word, that i will criticize any attempt to do such a thing that im almost sure wont happen in the future.

This is, as a try to restore the lost Trust, will reflect our new way for peace.

Man, I told you to cut the vague politically correct BS! Instead, tell me this: how should I interpet the fact that you plead for help for the restoration of eIsrael to eUSA - a recent ATLANTIS member, which means PEACE GC enemy, which means eTurkey enemy? Why don't you go talk to PEACE GC and ask them to put some peer pressure on eTurkey to give you back your homeland, but instead go to eTurkey's enemies? How is that a peaceful approach?

Wouldn't it be easier to erode allied support for eTurkey's occupation of your homeland than to take your chances with trying to ignite an inter-alliance war and become a permanent PEACE GC target?

SORRY sir! But have you seen ONE PEACE's prime minister that came to talk with us? if we need to do all alone that we prefer first to be little more orgenized and then talk with PEACE's countries.

Free Israel!

You're beginning to actually make sense 🙂
OK, now also think about this - suppose eTurkey and PEACE GC allow eIsraelis to wage an unopposed resistance war and free one of their regions. Since eIsraelis are extremely eUSA-friendly and will want to secure for their reborn state all the protection they can get, you will probably immediately sign MPPs with a lot of PEACE GC enemies. How does that make you a peaceful trusty neighbour of eTurkey? In the light of these hard realpolitik facts why should eTurkey and PEACE GC see your promises for peace as anything other than hypocritical lies?

Hmmm its coz ur sense is not in the right place mate, as we will get our country, we will sign MMP with turkey itself, dont you think its better for us? (: MMP with turkey will ensure up peace.

Btw MMP works when the coutnry get attacked, so if you dont plan to attack us why would we want to sign MMP's? huh, yap, u can answer on that right? 😛

We want peace, just peace, we dont want to go to war with anyone.

Were you born yesterday or you're just very good at faking naivete? So you think you'll make this one time deal with eTurkey and PEACE GC and everything will run smoothly from then on till the end of eTime? What if there's a change of course in PEACE GC or a new regime comes to power in eTurkey and they want their region back? Wouldn't you want to get some sort of insurance against such a turn of events? Of course you would! That's why you'll sign MPP's with the enemies of eTurkey and PEACE GC and will thus become a potential threat for them.
International politics does not obey hippie logic. Promises of eternal love and friendship are worthless when the political logic indicates they are false.

ROFL, dude what you want from me?

Do you get that you arent making any sense at all?
You ask me basicly: If some bad people will win turkey politics and decide to attack us, what will we do.

Cant you answer it urself? i think u are smart enough to know we will defend our selves at any cost.

And as long as we arent hostile to any PEACE country i dont understand what possibly can u want from us?

You are coming here with all this senseless questions and trying to predict the future lol, we aint living in the future, say hello to MR present, and live with it.

And as i told you, MMP's works when someone attack the country, therefore PEACE members wont get attacked, if some of them will try to attack it will be harder for him.

P.S.
Correct urself, "want their region back?" well it is defenetly not "thier" regions, it is ours, go look at Wikipedia, im sure you will find it interesting 😁

I dunno about the whole politics here, but I would find Sadeh's appeal much more persuasive if it were a little more properly Englished-up. He speaks as if he were Jar-Jar Binks.

In case you decide to approach PEACE GC keep in mind the new Secretary General is eBulgaria's cabinet member Bimba. She's a very easy-going and friendly person, but she's been involved in eWorld international relations for too long to put her trust in mere words, especially when they contradict past actions and common political sense. Also she was the one who coordinated the country's resistance effort against the political take-over attempt of Moshe Dayan, so she might ask you the same questions I did - be prepared and good luck!

Dont worry, i will handle her, i answered u about all the questions and i will do so with her.

Citizen Dru, as a guy that his first language VERY diffrent from english, i dont think you can blame me for this.
I write very much in short time to manage in doing other things, since its not the only thing i need to take care of.

So i think about what i want to say and write it at once, if i have time, i will read the things i write and correct myself(yeah a lot of time i find myself reading stupids things i wrote), but i guess at this time it wont happen and i can guess you understood me and my intentions, you dont have to get down on me so hard.

So you're saying that since predicting the consequences of our actions requires thinking (which obviously is either a bad thing or a very difficult thing for you) we should just do whatever we fell like doing and never worry about what we might bring upon ourselves?!
WOW! Is that a new political/management school of thought? Suicidalism?

Man, I just want to wish you once again lots and lots of luck - you are going to need it real bad if this is your attitude towards political planning!

As i told you, i have already answered to all of your questions, and it doesnt seem to me u wish me luck, since u keep attacking me, you want some evil dictator to talk with and u dont get it so it pisses the hell out of you.

I wont share my planning with you in case u dont understand, and again what u just said is senseless since i answered about it 2 posts ago.. scroll up and read well. If you still cant understand i'll tell someone to help you.

As a Turkish citizen in real life, I support the ideas articulated in the above article.

Guys cut the crap, this isn't going to win Israel a region neither will help me stay far from what happened in the past ok 🙂

I see a lot of truths here and a lot of kept anger. I do not want the matter of Israeli freedom and negotiations to become more and more public with more and more arguments and different opinions because it becomes twisted from its basic idea. Saying more here won't help. Israel and its people should prepare a clean agenda of what they are willing to do, when, how and for how long and then I think approaching the right people in the right place (not the media) will make a difference.

Is good you make steps in defending your name and earn trust just don't haste, one step at a time 🙂

WOW I see I'm being accused of something I didn't do.

1-No I wasn't there for takeover.
2-Not all of the candidates were Israelis.
3-I left the country after talking with someone that made me realise that this plan of moving to Bulgaria was a bad idea.
4-A similar plan is in here USA, do we want to takeover USA? NO.
5-Like I said I understand that you took measures to prevent a possible scenario of takeover but we didn't want to takeover Bulgaria.
6-Taking over a country by winning the party presidency doesn't seem a good plan to me, so again no takeover.
7-I speak for myself and maybe a few more people, but that's it.. we can't control every citizen against or be accountable for.

About the article, well I wish I was more optimistic then you and good luck 🙂
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Well, they should also free a region of Greece besides Israel, its quite unfair to have the whole Greece enslaved.
I think conquering a whole country with much lower population should be much more difficult or it is unfair.