I type, therefore, I am.
Jimmy Cincinnati
I've been suspicious, in regards to the use of bots. There is much evidence of bots. But, after reading John L's theory, I had an epiphany;
There was a citizen that asked me to arrange a merger of Vox Populi, Socialist Freedom Party and Albanian unity party. He claimed to be able to move 100 people and that he would make me "a shoe-in, for congress. To his surprise, I started a mass letter with the party leaders. He said, "This is quite a group."
So, I entered the search term, "Pfeiffer erepublik bots,"The guy was in the top 5 results:http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/2150916
But, there is more. Here is a high ranking member of eSociety, in good standings, which claimed to have seen Pfeiffer bragging about his multis: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mbn-henry-pfeiffer-arundel-patriot-or-traitor-2173879/1/20
Here he is claiming responsibility for using bots: http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/warn/aHR0cDovL2V1c2Fmb3J1bXMuY29tL2ZvcnVtL2luZGV4LnBocC90b3BpYywzMDQ2MC5tc2c1Mzc2MjcuaHRtbCNtc2c1Mzc2Mjc=
Here he is accusing Ajay of using Bots: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/one-hell-of-an-election-2090175/1/20
Here is hundred bots that were banned, in one incident: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/bot-again-shame-on-you-teden--1944400/1/20
Now, this is interesting:
https://www.freelancer.com/job-search/erepublik-bot/
If that is, what I think it is, the legitimate citizens are outnumbered are by bots.
In conclusion; JL is not crazy. No doubt the bots are out there. Who knows, one of them could troll this article.
Grab a pen and paper Help us write the people's history.
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Now the voters club will do it's job.
But it's much worse then that: game-rules are occasionally dismissed and broken, just to secure the "funny-money". eUSA is a scam. Best one can do: stop playing and keep coming back to irritate with stupid comments like mine LMAO
The voter club is, almost 99% bots. THEY, will promote other articles to keep me down.
But, this is the life that I chose. I hope that you do well.
FIST
so...is it bots vs. multi's for control?
With a few exceptions
A few things...
Multis exist. There's no doubt about that; where the doubt lies is in the assertion that this is all a massive conspiracy where the proof is apparently a common statistical phenomenon.
The Drew Blood article:
First, you realize that Cold-Hearted Snake (CHS), Drew Blood, and Franklin Stone are all different incarnations of the same person, right? And as much as I like Franklin (we're both EZC and WTP), sometimes his fixation with Pfeiffer conspiracies goes a bit overboard, and I think he'd probably admit himself that sometimes he just likes to troll and stir the pot. It's how he plays the game (and personally, I'm fine with that), but given his usual stance on things of this nature, I'm not sure it's fitting to call him "A high ranking member of eSociety, in good standings" in this case.
And lol, that freelancer.com website...
From what I can gather, that site is made to put up search results for just about anything so it can get more hits in google searches.
For some examples:
This works: https://www.freelancer.com/job-search/erepublik-Angry-Serb/1/
So does this: https://www.freelancer.com/work/erepublik-raccoon-player/1/
And the list goes on.
If that is, what I think it is, the legitimate citizens are outnumbered by angry Serbs. 🙂
That said, I voted and subbed anyway. At least you put made the effort to put your opinion out there.
John Ls story provoked a ton of references about Foil Helmets. I didn't think that it was crazy. So, this is my attempt at investigative journalism.
As for drew blood; There may be redemption as well. Here is Pfeiffer joking about using bots: http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,30460.msg537627.html#msg537627
Oh, we agree more than you realize. I have no problems with investigative journalism, and it's pretty well known that a number pf major eUS players have operated multis at various points in time,
That said, the jump to a large Farmer conspiracy is still a leap of faith past a point, as these sorts of things are hard to pin down and prove.
RacoonGoon, the elitist's tool & who makes everything relative! No time to write articles but much time to comment on everyone & anything!
(10,00 multiple accounts wanted. Selling aeRap accounts. ) Those were the results of my search.
Angry serb and raccoon player, didn't show any valid results.
@Val: I'd think if I were someone's tool, that would imply I actually cared. lol
@Tom Joa😛 Yeah, I saw the wanted ad for 10,000 multis, and it doesn't look like anyone took them up on it. That said, there are clearly people out there with the know-how to create a script to make, run, and change proxies for multies, but I don't know if either of us are in the know enough to ever find out if something like that is actually being operated.
Regarding people selling accounts, that's pretty widespread if you know where to look, and there are websites dedicated solely to that purpose. I'm not one to say that this game doesn't have different strata of players who are playing by different sets of rules.
LOLof course the stinking elites like CHS, he is dependable, willing to lie and bully for his right to complain about the elitest, thereby facturing any popular uprising against the elitest. What need of mulls, when you have him?
Sorry, I didn't really understand that.
If you're calling me an elitist though, I'm torn between feeling insulted and honored. Thanks, I guess? That's the first time anyone's grouped me in that category
damn, I reallyy do need to spell things out, CHS is willingly a liar and bully, I meant molls, as in hidden not mulls, sorry for the missunderstanding, and good for you if the elitest label fits, by all means wear it with pride
The biggest multi farming elite, RGR, will try to grab the reins, at the first sign of an uprising.
If I am Stannis Baratheon, Pfeiffer is Joffrey.
What do you expect from him? He's the worst of the worst.
Says one who stalks and alludes to veiled RL threats of fellow players.
Creeper
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My only regret is that this guy likes likes the article
blahlblahblah
I feel I may be someones bot.
Go with your gut instinct.
these are old but you'll find them interesting reading, no doubt
http://www.scribd.com/doc/74310920/eRepublik-Security-Explained-Catching-Bots-and-Scripters
http://mobsterap.wordpress.com/category/erepublik/
Multis and what they're being used for is relatively easy to determine. It's extremely time-consuming tedium though.
I'm not very tech savvy. But, I'll give them a try.
they're from the same source, the second link is his blog post. The first is a paper he wrote and sent to erep developers.
I just got to read them both. It sounded a lot like instructions, at first inspection.
Last month... when Molly Emma beat John Largo, there was a discussion about bot farms in USA in the USA Forums. I was amazed how some players were so unapologetic and candid about violating the rules.
But everyone knows the unwritten rule that gold buyers can get away with everything.
The discussion starts here - http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,30460.msg555434.html#msg555434 and lasts a few posts.
The golden rule; Those that buy the most gold, rule
And whales will be whales.
I work for the whale.
Whether there is a single Farmer, or many, there is no doubt that multis run rampant in this game and the farmers brag about how they can fool the Admin.
Definitely more than one farmer: http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Josh_Frost
Ghost of Tom Joad it's nice to see a few more ppl openly questioning the bot and multi use on here. It use to be a lot easier to multi hunt when you could see who werked for whom, and what donations were going where, but admins killed those options. I miss those days.
Have people started petitioning? There are ways of catching them.
Well think about this: bots could easily be the solution the game-creators are choosing to save this dying game: imagine the economy without bot-production!!!
Rigging the vote & treason have something in common 😉
Read Part I here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-fist-espionage-2414528/1/20#comments
Part II
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[00:06:12] hey there
[00:06:15] that's easier
[00:06:23] Owly
[00:06:26] 🙂
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[00:06:42] hey, can I have a ciggartte break
[00:06:49] Yo.
[00:06:49] ofc
[00:06:52] Sure
[00:06:54] it's easy for me
[00:07:00] I just smoke at this desk 😛
[00:07:14] Easier for me. I don't smoke at all ;3
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[00:08:43] WildOwl: wanna add Tyler?
[00:08:53] Not yet.
[00:08:58] k
[00:09:06] this is just about the CIA op
[00:10:28] I've invited Josh in as well
[00:1😇5] before he causes us problems 😛
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[00:10:52] hey there
[00:10:54] Hi babe
[00:10:59] please see userlist 😛
[00:11:15] and think "CIA"
[00:13:40] it's amusing - at last they're all running around thinking about ATO - they don't seem to get that ATO should be an ongoing thing all the time
[00:14:08] lazy people
[00:14:34] ValiantThor is just on a smoke break 🙂
[00:15:00] .access list
[00:15:26] this group in here are the only people who know about this op
[00:15:52] [00:15:54] >.>
[00:15:56] bascially, to get you up to speed Josh, he was approached and is doing the usual trying to get info from them thing
[00:16:38] the less people who know the less leak possibility and the more "real" it looks when the exec panics 😛
[00:16:44] Oh good, so I can tell the president to not drop an atomic bomb on the Balkans
[00:16:51] in private only
[00:17:15] So basically we are doing this to make Gnilraps shit his pants?
[00:17:26] no, that was not the intention
[00:17:49] But thats going to happen anyway. lol
[00:18:01] He's out of his league btw
[00:18:05] For the record
[00:18:06] yes
[00:18:17] Indeed.
[00:18:22] I don't trust him to not tell everyone unfortunately
[00:18:32] and that would screw the op
[00:18:43] well at the very least
[00:19:00] I'll have a quiet word?
[00:19:01] this will get DHS a budget out of pure scare tactics
[00:19:10] lol
[00:19:28] as I said, maybe now they'll make ATO a thing not to get forgotten
[00:20:57] shit...searche for my lighter in the house
[00:21:03] lol
[00:21:06] 3 minutes
[00:21:09] sorry
[00:22:09] Here's the deal:
[00:22:46] I want to know who approached them, the AFA and the log, so I can compare if both are the same
[00:24:52] Not who was talking, but who was the authority
[00:26:57] well, as I said in private, I wasn't a party to it, not sure that anyone in here was in fact, all I have is second-hand info on it
[00:27:24] but once you have a log we can get it verified
[00:27:29] what exactly is gnilraps offering?
[00:27:34] have we heard yet?
[00:27:42] wait, so you only have my word for it?
[00:28:04] you don't know who the rogue was?
[00:28:23] none of us have seen anything that I'm aware of
[00:28:26] I'm just new to this, so I know nothing.
[00:29:08] ValiantThor: if you're getting logs then that will be the first we'll have seen of it, so can use that to follow up
[00:29:54] Simple question: who was trying to buy AFA votes?
[0😇0:05] either you know or you don't know
[0😇😇0] you asked if it was USWP - and as a member of the exec of that party I can say I am not aware of any party level deal
[0😇1:01] if an individual has approached them at a party level then that I'm not aware of
[0😇1:03] I have not contacted the AFA, ever.
[0😇1:14] if the CP candidates were approaching AFA, then that's not unusual
[0😇1:20] I said that peron is high ranking US and from USWP
[0😇1:28] *person
[0😇2:50] well, it's not me or WildOwl, and neither of us were involved even as members of the party exec
[0😇2:55] so he did the talking
[0😇2:59] so whatever it is supposed to be isn't official
[0😇3:08] If he was not authorised, he's rogue
[0😇3:25] Who did the talking?
[0😇5:03] Are you worried you did it?
[0😇5:05] LOL
[0😇5:50] The question to ask is: what will happen to him as a consequence
[0😇6:15] well, without knowing who it is or what was said ... how the flying f can I answer that?
[0😇6:17] lol
[0😇6:58] what would be the epilogue if proven that votes were bought?
[0😇7:02] and delivered
[0😇7:10] not same as
[0😇7:23] tryed to buy, but been refused
[0😇7:40] for the party - well, the party would have an internal inquiry if it's a party matter
[0😇7:44] would it be the same penalty?
[00:40:10] if I have anything to do with it then yes - same offence differnet outcome
[00:40:18] but until I see whatever this stuff is...
[00:47:32] http://prntscr.com/333x2n
[00:49:21] and for those of us who only speak American/English?
[00:55:23] What are we trying to accomplish here?
[00:56:10] Artela, could you pls upload the IRC log when i have informed about FreeArea approaching me for JFrost to read
[00:56:45] In case WO did not read it, he can do as well
[00:59:48] Just cleaning it slightly - there was some other stuff in our chat lol
[01:01:30] publish the whole thing
[01:01:43] like this one http://pastebin.com/ujpF2bKu
[01:02:06] we had befor coming to this room
[01:02:10] never ever use pastebin
[01:02:12] it's insecure
[01:02:33] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q9oLtbUEMGBLJSu4_gHNI9j4DnREwSUTNE-H2RHoR0c/edit?usp=sharing
[01:02:55] note it's the full discussion including the stuff on Lauren
[01:03:12] pastebin doesnt work for me, its banned here
[01:03:16] so use gdocs yo
[01:05:03] anyway, the important bit is in there, about them approaching you
[01:06:21] well
[01:06:47] AFA approached the Feds
[01:07:02] this time someone approached AFA
[01:09:32] as I said, as it wasn't anything official that I'm aware of, we rather need to see whatever it is when they pass it to you 🙂
[01:16:34] have they been approached officially in the past?
[01:16:37] ever
[01:17:03] so that a deal would be negotiate😛 them to vote as advised?
[01:18:19] i hope no!
[01:18:44] no
[01:20:19] so simple question: what will happen to the person that "authorized" one high ranking USWP official to go buy votes?
[01:20:40] Publicly they would be hanged
[01:20:50] USWP or any party
[01:21:20] What should this action be called?
[01:21:27] top 5 parties do not condone negotiations with terrorists
[01:21:27] treason?
[01:21:33] Yes.
[01:21:34] It's treason
[01:23:05] Does it go to Congress?
[01:23:48] Treason would be an impeachment offense
[01:24:01] for anyone
[01:24:08] Congress people get barred for it
[01:24:19] presidents get kicked for it
[01:24:27] Party Presidents get asked to resign for it
[01:24:28] etc
[01:25:02] eople
[01:25:06] People
[01:25:21] Are you telling me for real that this is happening?
[01:25:35] That our current POTUS is left in the dark
[01:25:44] that nobody informed him
[01:26:06] until we have anything firm to take to him there is no reason for him to be involved
[01:26:10] will you invite him to this room or do i need to send him the logs?
[01:26:57] I have an idea
[01:27:03] How it works is this - you get proof of whatever you can get proof of from AFA - that proof is then used
[01:27:09] what is your idea JFrost
[01:27:16] how about you show us your logs that implicate whoever Valiant Thor
[01:27:25] and then I will confirm or deny it
[01:27:29] Get Gnilraps here
[01:27:48] you do not demand the POTUS into a CIA operation - not without a reason
[01:27:56] what is the reason?
[01:28:07] this is treason, remember?
[01:28:25] besides he isn't online right now that I can see
[01:28:47] why wasnt he informed
[01:28:57] and yes, we already said it is treason - but we don't know who or why - anything else is speculation right now - we go when we have PROOF
[01:29:45] why id the Potus kept in the dark about this matter?
[01:29:50] *is
[01:30:10] POTUS is not routinely involved in CIA operations - that's why there is a CIA director
[01:30:25] and up until this conversation we did not know you were accusing someone of treason
[01:3😇7] and even now we don't know who you are accusing or have any proof
[01:30:43] this is not a kangaroo court
[01:30:57] no it isn't
[01:31:15] but
[01:31:19] pls do tell
[01:31:23] is Frost CIA
[01:31:30] is Wild Owl CIA
[01:31:34] Frost is DHS
[01:31:40] I see them involved
[01:31:45] Wild Owl is co-opted CIA for this mission
[01:32:24] they are both here as trusted anti-PTO operatives
[01:34:08] http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/cat4.gif?w=584
[01:35:06] part 1 http://prntscr.com/338wxs
[01:36:01] that kitty looks how I feel (as it's now half past midnight)
[01:36:03] part 2 http://prntscr.com/338xa7
[01:36:42] part 3
[01:36:44] http://prntscr.com/338xhd
[01:37:48] so, do you have anything from AFA yet?
[01:38:08] or is it still all "he said, she said" stuff?
[01:38:37] Artela, why are you doing this whole charade?
[01:38:44] what charade?
[01:38:49] Listen pls
[01:38:53] so far you have given me nothing 🙁
[01:39:01] can I talk pls?
[01:39:07] ofc, pls do
[01:39:29] keep in mind that you have said that I have given you nothing!
[01:39:46] I came to you March 15th
[01:39:50] Well, you haven't.
[01:40:03] the log is there so all can read it
[01:40:18] yes, we all read the log
[01:40:25] today is the 23 at my place
[01:40:40] and we have spoken today
[01:40:47] the log is also here to read
[01:41:24] during this time you were "giving me a bad name"
[01:41:33] and the operation seems to be going as it should, they are moving to your party, and will be thrown to the bottom of thelist after blockers
[01:43:25] But it's not all talk
[01:43:31] the only other part of the operation was to try to get info from them, which you say will be some sort of logs, and which we have yet to see
[01:44:43] it's quite simple on that second part - either there are some logs to incriminate someone, or there aren't
[01:44:53] if there aren;t then we just wasted an hour talking
[01:45:02] if there are then we need them so we can get something done
[01:45:24] either way we're all tired, we all need sleep
[01:45:44] yes I need sleep
[01:47:13] so, as soon as you get the log we can do something, until then there isn't much we can do on whatever this other thing is 🙂
[01:47:22] so will you inform the President or does he know already?
[01:47:48] inform him of what?
[01:47:57] the congresslist stuff?
[01:48:12] if you mean the log stuff then no, not until we see a log
[01:48:56] give him these two logs
[01:49:21] me speaking to you on March 15th
[01:49:31] and me speaking to you today
[01:49:45] Can I see the log which wasn't on gdoc please?
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[01:49:58] The one which VT posted as a pastebin link here?
[01:50:18] cant see you been disconected
[01:50:25] its banned.
[01:50:28] just scroll upowards
[01:50:28] pastebin for me
[01:5😇3] put it on a gdoc
[01:50:43] pls.
[01:50:52] well copy it from pastebin
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[01:50:52] 😁]> [Gnilraps] You're the same kind of bad as me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Ta3H-ck6s&feature=kp
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[01:50:59] not that hard Owly LOL
[01:51:06] you rang?
[01:51:13] yeah
[01:51:16] hi ValiantThor
[01:51:22] hi gnil
[01:51:25] first time we've met on irc i think
[01:51:27] right?
[01:51:31] yup
[01:51:50] gnil, I would like you to have this:
[01:51:54] firstly - don't worry about the Serbs in WTP 😛 (but don't say that outside this channel, the others need to think this is for real)
[01:52:33] ...
[01:52:56] My first convo with Artela on March 15th
[01:52:57] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q9oLtbUEMGBLJSu4_gHNI9j4DnREwSUTNE-H2RHoR0c/edit?usp=sharing
[01:53:28] also today's convo added for those without pastebin
[01:53:37] I did not speak until today and the log is here:
[01:53:50] http://pastebin.com/ujpF2bKu
[01:53:55] tl;dr this is a CIA op after AFA approached VT gnilraps
[01:54:02] Got them both Gnilraps?
[01:54:47] reading
[01:54:58] put them in a personal archive afterwards
[01:58:24] that's a lot to read but I skimmed
[01:58:46] So VT is a good guy after all.
[01:59:25] indeed
[01:59:36] ok
[01:59:43] but in public, this needs to play as real threat until the deadlines pass
[01:59:48] let me screenshot my PDB post for VT to read
[02:00:04] or has that info already been shared?
[02:00:10] no it has not
[02:00:10] no
[02:00:23] PDB is sactrosanct"
[02:00:27] gah
[02:00:28] sp
[02:0😇0] it's late
[02:0😇3] gnilraps: query
[02:01:44] http://i.imgur.com/KoUbEp2.png
[02:02:01] It saves me the time to retype it
[02:03:28] but VT - there was never any mention of buying votes
[02:03:31] at least not from me.
[02:05:38] ok so that brought a lot of silence
[02:05:53] Are we going to see anything at all , ValiantThor
[02:06:39] sorry
[02:06:42] me forig
[02:06:52] what does collude mean
[02:06:59] in the last sentence?
[02:07:02] work together
[02:07:07] at this point ValiantThor, unless you have logs, there is nothing more to discuss on that info I think 🙂
[02:07:21] agreed
[02:07:28] and we're back to seeing what you can get from them before the congress setting deadline and then calling it operation over
[02:07:40] I might be able to drum up my log of it if gdocs saves deleted files
[02:08:33] can you pls tell me when this was published in PDB? only the day
[02:20:04] well then not
[02:20:06] bye
[02:20:48] I was away
[02:20:57] Just got back
[02:22:48] It was published today, ValiantThor
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[02:23:14] tired
[02:23:21] nn
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Part II will be published here in a few minutes:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/hey-eusa-time-to-do-the-guerrilla--2414286/1/20
Ok I'm bored. But read all those logs. Sure I missed the entire point. Seems a whole lotta spy talk. Serbs and WTP and wake up the President! Kinda stuff. All good fun.
So bots. Maybe. But I don't think so. Why? Because no one random wins anything. The winners are fairly predictable. And they're "chosen" in a fairly consistent way, by a small group of Party Presidents influenced most profoundly by another small group of whale players (besides Oblige, lol).
And besides THAT ingrained system (existing a few years now), I don't think many "whale" players care enough to go to any "special" effort to effect things more than they already do. There's only so much one guy, as POTUS, can do. If the guy looks like he'll play as a "team", that's half the battle.
All the things that would be illegal in RL wrt voting happen in game. But I'd say almost 100% of the things that happen in game wrt voting are within the rules of the game.
"Buying" votes certainly happens, though money isn't the exchanged commodity. And it's happened since the inception of the game.
It's a game. If you want "fair", you'd need a Judiciary. But within the framework of the game mechanical rules, all kinds of tomfoolery goes down that wouldn't pass muster outside of New Orleans and Detroit, in real life.
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