Hungary and Asteria after the Battle of Budapest - my personal view
Nalaja
Disclaimer -- I'm not a goverment member in any form, so it is fully my personal opinion and view --
A few weeks ago, Hungary approved an MPP with Poland. According to the government communication (during the previous presidential mandate), it was planned and coordinated with Serbia. According to personal communication with some Serbian friends of mine, it was not. However, the MPP was signed but it meant nothing in the battlefields: Hungary remained in Asteria coordination system, our daily orders, MU orders were set for the interest of this alliance. This time Hungary held Ukraine, Austria, part of Slovakia and Northern Italy.
Right after this event, the regular Ukrainian RWs turned to be severe; in many of them, Romanian (Asteria) MU's money was offered for the Ukrainian (Asteria's enemy) side. It seemed as a coordinated move with Bulgarian (Asteria's enemy) authorities, as they make peace and as a result of the successful liberation of the Ukrainian regions, the most valuable regions are under Romanian and Bulgarian occupation, even at the moment I write this article. I must say, a similar Romanian-Bulgarian action was supposed to be launched when Hungary left officially Asteria as a member, several months ago.
This was followed by the NE exchange between Hungary and Ukraine. As the Hungarian CP was not a real flashhand in the F5 fight, Ukraine got the initiative by a few seconds. The first battle was against a Hungarian core region NGP (won by Ukraine), and the second was against the Hungarian capital itself (won also by Ukraine, after heavy tanking, COing). Then the support of Ukraine vanished, Hungary won the following battle, RW'd back the cores and conquered 3 Western Ukrainian regions.
In the Ukrainian RWs, and even in the battle of Budapest I've seen a heavy tanking from Croatia (normal, they are in the other alliance), Turkey (the same), Greek terrorist (as usual). Together with them, there were considerable amount of Romanian (Asteria), Argentinian (Asteria) and even Greek (Asteria) damage against us. It was the time, when the Sirius/Aurora assault on China (Asteria) was at the vital point. A considerable part of the alliance we are cooperating considered more important to hit against us than to defend the cores and existence of a founding member.
After all of these, Argentina refused to sign the MPP with us. Perhaps because of our Polish relations (note that they do cooperate with Chile in South America...) or because of our non-settled relations with Romania (who accomplished an indirect aggression against us, cooperating with a common enemy Bulgaria to get bonuses from us).
What can be done now?
Logically, I see four ways to go.
1. Integrate Hungary to Asteria fully
2. Remaining in tactical cooperation with Asteria
3. Join the Sirius
4. Remain neutral
Personally for me, Nr 3. (Sirius) is not an option, I'm fully for SerHun, beyond any question. Remaining neutral means to hold the core regions only in long term, a honest but less productive way. Both versions 1 and 2 expects an agreement between Asteria and Hungary. What could be the conditions of them?
There are two basic condition sets: the 'status quo ante' and 'accepting the present status quo'.
Status quo ante means to return to the situation before the Polish MPP. Hungary lets this MPP run out, does not renew, and gets back Ukraine from Romania and conquer the regions from Bulgaria with the support of Asteria.
Accepting the present status quo means Hungary accepts the Romanian gains in Ukraine, Asteria organizes to conquer the Bulgarian Ukraine for Hungary, and accepts the Hungarian-Polish MPP.
The 'status quo ante' option points more or less to the full Asteria-integration, with a Romanian MPP and so on. It should be seen that it is strongly opposed in Hungary now, as the trust for Romania has fallen a lot during the past weeks - and strongly opposed also in Romania as it would mean to loss of the Ukrainian gains.
The 'present status quo' means to continue this crazy undecided situation: Hungary is pro-Asteria but would not enter because her arch-enemy, Romania.
These thoughts are quite common in Hungary in these days. We hate this extended undecided period, we want to continue the alliance with Serbia and cannot accept the alliance with Romania (me, personally would have accepting a Romanian MPP a few weeks ago but now, after their cooperation with Bulgaria against us, I'd reject it, too). This is a continuous race of love and hate: love to Serbia, hate to Romania, while they seems to be good allies. The outcome is unpredictable at this point.
And in these days, it would be important to have an official word from Asteria about this whole mess. What is the opinion of the alliance the way, Hungary was thrown out from Ukraine by a cooperation of an Asteria member and an Asteria enemy? What is the opinion of the Asteria about to the wiping of the founding member China, because of many troops were hitting against Hungary instead of defending China - apart from 'we're sorry, China'? At least, an ordinary Hungarian player would see at least a word about Hungary in the official communication of Asteria - which is still missing.
I repeat to my Serbian friends: having Hungary and Romania in the same alliance needs continuous and pro-active problem handling. Ask the RL Germans, they did it in the WWII
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Romania is securing the Ukr congress but thats not treason 🙂
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" kérlek, angolul kommenteljetek, köszi"
fuck
The 'present status quo' means to continue this crazy undecided situation: Hungary is pro-Asteria but would not enter because her arch-enemy, Romania.
hungary is with asteria but not because ro, hungary is with asteria but have mpp with loland not asteria. Hungary is ... but not
This is Hungary... or not..? 🙂
Valaki esetleg egy fordítást?
Bocs, de csak a német megy, ennek ha ötödét értem.
A cikk számonkéri az Asteriát, hogy miért ütöttek ellenünk CH-nál, miközben egy alapítótagot (eKínát) éppen eltörölte a Sirius. Miért volt fontosabb néhány Asteria országnak ellenünk ütni, mint megvédeni a saját tagjukat?
Mert még mindig nincs semmiféle hivatalos cikkük arról, hogy mit gondolnak a lengyel MPP-nkről, és, hogy miért nézik azt el, hogy néhány ország MU-i (oláh, argentin, görög) ellenünk harcoltak, holott mi "pro-Asteria" állam vagyunk.
Plusz van benne még egy kis latolgatás a jövőnkre nézve.
Nagyon köszönöm!
Bla-Bla, CO-ert utottek a masik oldalt, a szovetseg csak latszolagos
very interesting and mature opinion
you are propably missing some important info however you have the ability to think clearlly and that is vary important
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I take an apply for polish citizenship, after one year I would like to fight at this side again.
. This is my vote.
Any congressmember from ePoland can help me please?
How about settling the status quo from before your Polish -Hungarian deal ..when Poland set Romania as NE ,Hungary took the Ukrainian regions from Romania .As for relations with Bulgaria ...need I remind anyone that the flags-friendship articles were with Hungarian not Romanian flags.
Choose your side and stick to it ...'cause when you try to be in 2 boats at the same time you will end up with your a** wet at some point.
Romania had a neutral position in the Ukr-Hu war.
"Romania had a neutral position in the Ukr-Hu war..."
aham
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/141008/634050907romanbarat_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
I can show you also printscreens from HU Supreme command with CO for Ukraine against RO in RW ..but it would be the same thing.
BTW : there were no orders to fight against HU ..there were also RO players fighting for Hungary and fighting for Ukraine.I don't think there is a secret that there are Ro players who will fight against HU but there are several Hu players who do the same against Ro.
BTW : the Polish MPP came before the Hu-Ukr war ...so you cannot say that it's Ro that made you do this 😉
I have to tell you 1111111111111111111tmes again that in frikin Podolia RW you fought for the ukr side too?
vladb:
-Will you show also that picture when your current CP and other government members were fighting against us in our core regions? We do not speak about those random people in both country who fight against the other country.
If your CP do this then it got a real meaning.
-We told you many times, we were helping you close war with Poland in that rw, as your command order was the same.
Important note:
Be centered in the img.
for (center)..(/center) tag
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neutral pos. in the Ukr-Hu war.
😃DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
are you serious?
man it happened in '14 march, when we out from your alliance, bec. YOU traited us... now you did it again.
you speak about: we took the ukr. regions when you got a polish ne. hmmm. How you got those regions, and when? 🙂
in this case all romanians should sit in the Asteria boat, dont you think? 🙂
Do you see eRO having signed an MPP with Sirius /Aurora ?
Make a difference between personal opinions and state politics.
eRo is member, Hungary is not. Why should we accept Asteria directions?
Our status is maximum proA.
If an old and famous MU like FAR show its power i dont think its only oersonal. They are official, regular forces of the country.
I dont give too much time to Asteria anyway (however I thought it is a strong company. It is but too divided. (remember NAPs)
Liar
What about Romania took ukr regions in march when hungary was under attack by 4 country? Dont you try to sell that ukr is yours. It was hungarian for 2 year before you stole it. And now you secure their congress.
First of all I want to remind you about if you do not tell all facts about a situation it counted as hidden lie.
But I will be kind and think you just forgot important things as accident and you did not want to tell lies for us.
1. You forgot that Romani set NE against Russia first, then you got NE from Poland and from Bulgaria, it happened 2 months ago. I guess it not our fault if your politicians not prepared a Russian war with NAPS first. We had only NAP with Poland then and it was offical, not hidden NAP.
2. Hungary helped your country close your war with Poland.
There was a bridgeregion that you wanted RWing, our order was then to help you with that, even Poland government asked us to do not help you close your war with them because they wanted delete you, as I heard. Should we instead let Poland do this with an Asteria country?
3. Let me help you see the differences. Hungary 2 months ago only went in Ukraine after your failed war against Russia. We were not planning it secretly, we did not tell lies about your country for other allies.
We helped you close war with Poland then ofcourse we went in Ukraine. I guess other countries would do the same in this situation.
Our previous CP even RWed two bonus Ukraine regions and offered for Romania.
But what your current government did?
-They lied for Argentina about we do not want make agreement with you about Ukraine regions, and also tried to present Polish mpp as a betrayal. You made sure they will be against us.
-After 3 days of your peace with Bulgaria they put NE on us. Probably you made a secret NAP with them against us while they told everyone our mpp with Poland was the biggest betrayal.
-You constantly put CO against us in all regions, and also heavily tanked in core regions.
In short while our chance to go into Ukraine came from your faults, but your government chance now was thankful for lies and secret agreements with Asteria's enemies.
4.Everyone can write articles with flags,it just cost 2g
neutral?? u fought against us happily and take half of ukraine... thats neutral?! u r very stupid or just an asshole
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before that happened ... maybe you remember the same thing, but reverse😛 "when Poland set Hungary as NE ,Romania took the Ukrainian regions from Hungary". The same sentence, but with different positions.
a szerbekért minden répát benyelünk cikk .
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SerHun forever
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SerHun eternal
Nalaja, you are talkong from my own heart.
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strong shit you're smoking, dude...
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Nice article Nalaja. From my point of view, for Hungary and Serbia is only one solution. We have been together in hard and good times, never let down each others, so SerHun is only option.
Now we get to question, what to do with rest of our alliance. I really think that Argentina and Romania are very good allies to Serbia. I was one of ppl who was trying to involve Argentina and Romania in TWO.
Now, we are in situation that is very delicate... Cooperation between Romania and Hungary is probably unposible at this time. I just hope that both Romania and Hungary will think resanoble in best interest of both countrys(If you think that Hun-Ro war is solution tou are all wrong). Best indicator is SerCro NAP. Both countrys lost unnecessary war and we can focus our dmg now on other battles.
So, lets MOFA teams think well what to do.
SerHun is eternal. o7
RO-HU NAP is perfect for me.
However, cooperating with an enemy of the alliance to get our bonuses and saying it is according to NAP, is far from acceptable.
Hu-PL or Hu-BG cooperation..to which one are you referring to ?
vladb: neither of it - your present move a few weeks ago. Just look at the map.
I dont know what was with that NAP, I know that there was nap between Bulgaria and all Asteria Balkan members(including Hungary) few months ago(it was my term in HQ). After that NAP was not signed again cos Romania side wanted to attack Bulgaria. What happened after that i dont know, but I kow that we established rule in Asteria about signing NAPs.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XKO7FLCzaMBTkGSM6U2jKqNB99lCcET_Uk4w7WmKu0s/edit
If someone didnt respected this rule that NAP can not be considered as valid.
@Nalaja ..the map changed ..but you can look at the map from last month ...or 2 months ago .It depends what you wish to see.
Branko was this the one why Hungary left? (the one, Hungary was not asked to agree, despite being a core member?)
You have date when this agreement was signed, It was after Hungary left Asteria.
Lol HU-BG cooperation? You cooperated BG to kick us out from ukraine the second time.
Ro-Hu nap never!!!!! only war!!!
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It would be interesting to write a short appendix about the circumstances when and why Hungary left Asteria not so much time ago: if I remember well, it was a special deal between Romania and Bulgaria, respectively Romania and Poland (?), whereas the main issue was a conditional peace between Romania and Bulgaria in exchange of a Bulgarian NE on Hungary.
But correct me if I am wrong...compared to this (Bom-Bul) deal, the Hungarian -Polish MPP seems to me being not more than peanuts.