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Alright time to start the reporting.

A-yup, when the baht went from SO - Czech OS Q1 back into TNT accounts, it went from suspicious to a clear violation of The Rules:

"4. Every citizen that enriched through an illegal or unjust method must return the property this way obtained."

Sorry to hear about this Thailand. We had someone do this in Ireland in August but the admins did nothing about it. Good luck.

Yeah unfortunately I don't expect anything since I've sent half a dozen reports to the admins about his abuses and none were answered at all except with a robotic response.

Wait what... I have been working for a TNT company without realizing it.

Its no wonder that the salaries are so high. They are being funded by our taxes. That means all TNT companies are taking the profit of every other legitimate company and pretty much driving them to into bankruptcy. Also are there any TRP (or any other non-tnt) land companies hiring workers or have they all been out competed?

We can take another in Urist's I believe. TNT hasn't yet managed to screw the economy over. Charmin seems to be doing well as well.

Fey Dwarf, I don't know about TRP holdings, but Andal's Iron, Glass Garden Grains, and Thai Wood are all land companies with job openings owned by Sabai party members, and we have been working together with TRP in the opposition.

Ealb, thank you for your coverage of this scandal. I have been talking with someone in the Czech Republic about this today hoping to get the story into the eCzech media. Originally I was trying to get pressure on Czech Hospital not to sell, but I see they had a hospital tucked away somewhere to sell immediately. Hopefully, if this company is owned by some real eCzech citizen and not someone from TNT, they will be rightfully shamed in the media.


I also sent an abuse message to the admins. Hopefully something will come of it, if we all report this abuse.


This is just sad, though. The same thing happened in Sacramento before I moved to eThailand; apparently this place is full of unscrupulous players. We need eLawyers.

Kat, it looks like the employees of the company at least are Czech, if we judge by their Shouts. Plus the fact that Rockman needed to provided 80-ish gold to them for "services rendered" suggests that they were an outside accomplice.

I actually sent a mail detailing what was going on to all of the company's active employees as well as the SO when you made your letterwriting call, plus threw a comment in the company's (not-exactly-bustling) newspaper. IOW, I did what I could to stir the pot in the Czech Republic, for what it will be worth.

The admins got a report as well. Again, for what it will be worth.

/sigh

Yeah, I was going to message the employees earlier too, but had no time. Thanks for your effort. I'm just sad that this can happen. The next president and congress should get together and write out a basic constitution and sign it in the Contracts forum. At least then there would be a nonpartisan record of the rules. Transparency would help too; I have no idea which SOs in this country are owned by whom, although that's really more a v1 issue.

@Katran: I think what happens is that when the proposal goes to congress to buy a construction from someone, the unit goes off the market and not registered as stock.

Hopefully THIS will be the straw that gets set on fire that lets the admins see whats going on here.

great report.

The admins really need to see this.

This does bear out Rockman's assertion that we needed higher taxes before the V1 changeover however. If we had listened to him and made the taxes 99% we would have had a treasury left after this first robbery. Granted he probably would have robbed us again afterwards but still, its something to think about.

@ Fey Dwarf, TRP current has a Food and House companies and more workers are needed, so contact Luis Carlos Prestes or Cavalcanti please

Also, this is just outrageous, I knew TNT was corrupt but I never thought they would do this! We need a new president right away, and make a new forum post about this, the admin need to hear it!

eThailand should introduce e-death-penalty for corruption...

This is very sad. The only thing that really allowed this to happen was the broken election system.

The Solution is drastic. Buy no products from companies that hire these individuals. Work out gold money buys via PM. Any market offers place an an extremely high value of gold to THB. (If they haven't bought it already.) If they work for a company not controlled already by them, fire them.

They want to play by themselves, let them.

It's sad for people who invested real money (€) to help eThailand. Donations like this gives me a very sad feeling and I'm really thinking to stop playing such a 'game'.

Report Rockman for abuse and link this article in your abuse report.

@Guy: Your saying blacklist all TNT members am I right.

This does need done. The problem is that with their recent influx of ill-gotten gains, TNT companies will be able to undersell others (and pay higher wages) for quite some time to come... blacklisting only works if widely adopted, and it's going to be nigh impossible to get the uninvolved players who just log in to work and/or vote to subscribe to it.

antonio salgado is a good boss, he help me so many times!
he isn't a corrupt!

Yes he is dinossauro. If you can't see it at this point you will never see it and I pity you.

Dinossauro:

One does not look at someone's inclination or disinclination to charity to determine if they are corrupt; one looks at their inclination or disinclination to corruption. One can be a perfect philanthropist, donating half one's income to charity, but if one's income is from kickbacks and graft, all the charity cannot erase that. It becomes less convincing still if the charity is specifically to his allies and employees rather than to random people.

Antonio is not corrupt because he is or is not a "good boss". He's corrupt because he is complicit in corruption and the looting of the eThai treasury for his party's gain, and his personal gain. IOW, he's corrupt because he engages in corruption.

why my companies received only 10k?

So you admit to being corrupt then. Return the money.

That's a question you need to ask the ringleader of the caper, Antonio. Rockman organized the heist; I presume he dictated how to take would be divvied. If you have a complaint, address it to him.

Or to look at it another way, it hardly matters, does it? Because you're a good, honest eCitizen who doesn't countenance corruption, and will be donating however much you were given straight back to the eThai treasury... right?

Right, Antonio? You'll be donating the 1k THB you received, and the 10k THB UOL Holding received back to the eThai treasury because you're not a thief and it's the right thing to do, won't you? Hmm?

SO - Czech OS Q1 transfered 1000 THB to your account.
5 hours ago

What the hell is this? 😒

Ah-ha, I see what it is. The same thing they did to us during our party elections.

The course is clear, Cacalcanti. Donate it straight back to the eThai treasury.

...or back to the donater, that works too... 😉

Yep, it looks like in the last 5 hours, new donations have been made from the Czech Hospital SO to

Cavalcanti (1000) (returned)
Rody2k9 (1000)
Luis Carlos Prestes (1000)
lenuke (1000)
Lmcas (1000)
Minotauro Centauro (1000)
dinossauro (1000)
Wisdom (100)
Raalph (100)

Although the workers at this company are Czech, how much do you want to bet that the owner of the SO is someone in TNT? I think I have around 8 THB to bet on that. 😛

As much as I hate saying this, would it not be safer to hold on to the "donations" until after the presidential elections? If its all put back whats to stop our glorrious Emperor pulling another hospital stunt?

Is there somewhere that we all trust where this money can be placed until then?

Aye, Kat, I'd thought it was possibly an independent who'd been paid off, but the fact that they could casually get these implicating bribes fired off makes it look an awful lot like a TNT inside job start to finish.

Dont donate the money back to the hospital company. I know Guy Kilmore has a SO named Iron Bank...perhaps we can donate the money there and we will hold it until after the election, upon which we will donate it back to the govt?

Thoughts?

Pebble: for the sake of transparency, the donations need to be returned either to the donater (SO - Czech OS Q1), or back to the eThai treasury. Back to the donater is "cleanest", but I personally would see nothing wrong nor suspicious about donating it back into the eThai treasury instead. It's difficult for them to extract currency from the treasury, and there will be a plain record of them doing so.

Sorry, Jack.. I've already donated it back. :/

Would you mind to enter our IRC channel?

Ok, so I donated the 1,000 THB back to the eThai treasury, as so should everyone else

Jack, if we want to donate it to a private company to hold until the next election, we would need to make a Contract on the forum explicitly stating why it was being done, and binding the SO to returning the money to the eThai treasury following the upcoming presidential election, regardless of its outcome. Anything else is too suspicious.

I say we donate it back to the country, because if they try to take out THB from the trasury we can see it easier

I would be willing to hold it and sign a contract to that holding. My only fear is that by donating it back to the eThailand treasurey simply opens it up to further abuse. I would further be willing to allow people from other parties to be able to use the Iron Bank Log on if we feel appropriate.

I feel left out. Guess I'm not important enough to bribe.

They only gave 1,000thb to Brazilian members of the opposition! Dirty plan! Beorn maybe your beard is too sexy that is why lol

Awww... don't feel bad, Beorn; remember you were important enough to merit a Gold "present" back during party elections! Not many of us got one of those, you know!

Well Ealb is a noble and I a mere mechanic. Still the mechanics are the ones who rig noble rooms with "plumbing". And your right. I got gold back when and that only a few got that.

SO - Czech OS Q1 transfered 1000 THB to your account.

wtf what i do with that !?

I'd donate it back to the eThai treasury, or back to SO - Czech Q1.

Alternately, there has been discussion of setting up a "neutral" bank SO to hold these donations (the ones not yet returned, anyway) and donate it back to eThailand after November 5th. It's not set up yet, though; it will need to have a Contract set up on the forum to maximize transparency.

If you just want to get it out of your account, send it back to the sender or the eThai treasury.

Beorn... how DARE you accuse me of nobility?!? I am an architect!

Though hmm, I'm working in the Iron industry now. Time to change the avatar to miner or furnace operator, I suppose...

Thanks for updating.

This only show that they really have no fear about the admins and show how sorry are them about this corruption case. 🙂

Corruption is part of the politics, i doubt the admins will interfere. And after all, they gave the congress powers to impeach the president, if you weren't capable of doing that...

A buggy voting system decided by an arbitrary power is not part of politics.