El oro de PEACE / The gold of PEACE
Charrito
El último artículo del Heraldo ha tenido una gran aceptación y ha dado lugar a algunas preguntas. ¿De dónde ha salido la enorme cantidad de oro (unos 9000 GOLD cuando menos) invertida por ambas superpotencias en la batalla de Western Siberia?
En lo que a PEACE se refiere, se trata de una combinación de dinero de las arcas indonesias (con la duda como veremos de si se trata de remanentes del ya histórico bug del GOLD, puesto al descubierto hace unos 3 meses) y del expolio y saqueo de pequeñas naciones por parte de agentes de PEACE mediante el método del takeover.
Vayamos por partes.
EL ORO INDONESIO
El oro indonesio dura más que las pilas Duracell
Para los novatos, recordaremos que el triste episodio del bug del gold consistió en que presumiblemente en primer lugar miembros de PEACE descubrieron la manera de duplicar, a coste cero, el dinero o ítems que se transferían en las donaciones. Es decir, se donaba el dinero a otro jugador o entidad pero ese dinero (o ítems) no se perdía: una donación de vuelta hacía que el primer donante duplicase su cantidad inicial. Posteriormente, dicho fallo de diseño del sistema se convirtió en un secreto a voces hasta que al llegar la información un domingo por la tarde al IRC español, se produjo una explosión descarada del fenómeno que obligó a los admins a tomar medidas. La principal consecuencia fue una ola de baneos (sobretodo a jugadores españoles) que dejó un regusto cuando menos amargo en la población de este país. Sabíamos positivamente que muchos miembros de PEACE habían salido indemnes de este escándalo.
Bien, puestos en contexto, repasemos la lista de donaciones del héroe “indonesio” en la batalla de Western Siberia, el portugués Euphonix. A partir de esas donaciones vemos que quien le ha suministrado el gold para la adquisición de wellness packs es el indonesio rikwandi, que ha actuado ayer (y en otras ocasiones) de manera general como donante para los soldados de PEACE. Tirando a su vez de las donaciones de rikwandi, llegamos al punto clave de la secuencia: el National Bank of Indonesia. Este banco nacional ha sido en gran medida quien ha repartido el oro en las últimas semanas tanto a los donantes intermedios como a los tanques de manera directa. El banco de Indonesia se ha nutrido fundamentalmente de donaciones del estado (en total unos 9000 GOLD aproximadamente) y en menor medida de otros organismos, como el Banco Central de Argentina (en este caso las donaciones se elevan a unos 490 GOLD). Echando un vistazo a la lista de donaciones de la entidad, vemos que en los últimos tres meses el National Bank of Indonesia ha repartido a tanques una cantidad que ronda los 6800 GOLD aproximadamente (basta sumar grosso modo las cantidades), habiendo recibido en donaciones de vuelta e ingresos argentinos alrededor de 1800 GOLD. Eso sí, hay un detalle que llama poderosamente la atención al indagar en la lista de donaciones, y es una donación de ida y vuelta cuando menos sospechosa, hace unos 3 meses a sandygee por valor de 8000 GOLD! (puede comprobarse en torno a la pagina 34 –en el presente momento- de la lista de donaciones del banco)
Extraña donación de ida y vuelta en el banco de Indonesia
¿Nos encontramos ante el gran golpe del bug del gold? En honor a la verdad hay que decir que si no duplicaron el dinero en esa operación las cuentas cuadran aproximadamente con el GOLD que posee ahora el banco de Indonesia (unos 2200 GOLD) y el entregado en las donaciones… salvo que el gold se usase en operaciones de desequilibrio de mercados monetarios. En cualquier caso, nuestros lectores estarán de acuerdo en que es cuando menos extraño que se done a una persona la descomunal cifra de 8000 GOLD. Si además tenemos en cuenta que los listados de donaciones tienen una gran tendencia a no ser completos o a presentar súbitas “desapariciones” o inconsistencias (lo cual hemos podido comprobar perfectamente durante esta investigación, existen donaciones que aparecen para el donante pero no para el receptor y viceversa), la duda es inevitable.
EL SAQUEO DE LOS PEQUEÑOS PAÍSES
Toma el dinero y corre
Tirando de nuevo de la lista de donaciones del donante “cero”, es decir, de rikwandi, nos encontramos con otro hecho curioso. Una donación de 200 GOLD por parte del brasileño Bunaly ayer y otros 200 GOLD hace 4 días del mismo jugador, como puede comprobarse en las páginas 2 y 4 (en el presente momento) de la lista de donaciones de Bunaly. A partir de dicha lista, podemos afirmar que Bunaly tiene dos fuentes primordiales de financiación. Remontándonos en esa lista hasta hace unos 9 días, vemos una donación a Bunaly de 935 GOLD (!) por parte de la organización Bangko ng Pilipinas. Este dinero corresponde al expolio de Filipinas llevado a cabo por un grupo de jugadores de PEACE, principalmente brasileños al frente del Nationalist People’s Coalition y también de otras nacionalidades, tras hacerse con el control del país en las últimas elecciones, efectuar una donacion de 1000 GOLD a dicha OR y salir disparados de vuelta a la tierra de la samba y las mulatas de curvas peligrosas. Efectivamente, ahora mismo Filipinas solo tiene dos congresistas activos.
Tras trincar la pasta, también se fue a Brasil
Este Bunaly, por otra parte, tiene otra fuente de financiación cuando menos curiosa: el que parece ser un entramado de ORs repartidas por medio mundo bajo la denominación común de “Tupi”. En concreto, la Organizacao Tupi ha donado a Bunaly hace 9 días alrededor de 1400 GOLD. Es también cuando menos sorprendente que de manera general los “To” ganan notablemente a los “From” en la lista de donaciones de esta OR, que parece ser una fuente inagotable de oro para su dueño. ¿Es el holding Tupi el de mayor éxito de eR? ¿Hay otra cosa detrás? Los latinos decían in dubio pro reo: tendremos por tanto que concederle (de momento) el beneficio de la duda.
En cualquier caso, y como conclusión, podemos decir que se avecinan tiempos interesantes en eR. Tanto si el oro de PEACE procede de remanentes del bug del gold y del expolio a pequeñas naciones como si es oro verdaderamente limpio, se les está acabando. La pregunta inevitable es: ¿veremos la esperada decadencia de PEACE, o asistiremos a un nuevo deus ex machina, a algo por así decir “paranormal” (ya me entendéis) que permitirá que la alianza enemiga de nuestro país siga desembolsando tales sumas de dinero?
ENGLISH VERSION
The last article in the Heraldo has had a great acceptance and has led to some questions. Whence has come the enormous amount of gold (at least about 9000 GOLD) invested by both superpowers in the battle of Western Siberia?
With regard to PEACE is a combination of money from the Indonesian coffers (as we'll see with the doubt of whether those are remnants of the historic GOLD bug, revealed about 3 months ago) and the pillaging and looting of small nations by members of Peace by the method of political takeover.
Let us go step by step.
THE INDONESIAN GOLD
The Indonesian gold lasts longer than Duracell batteries
For the noobs, let us remember that the sad episode of the gold bug consisted in that presumably PEACE members first discovered how to duplicate, at zero cost, money or items that were transferred in donations. That is, the money was donated to another player or entity, but that money (or items) was not lost: a donation back to the first donor doubled the original amount. Subsequently, this system exploit became an open secret until the information reached the Spanish IRC, provoking an explosion of the phenomenon that forced the admins to take action. The main result was a wave of bans (mostly Spanish players) that left a bitter aftertaste in many people. We had the impression that many PEACE members had survived this scandal unscathed.
Well, once situated into context, let us review the list of donations of the "Indonesian" hero in the battle of Western Siberia, Portuguese Euphonix. From these donations we see who has supplied the gold for the acquisition of the wellness packs is the Indonesian rikwandi, which acted yesterday (and some other times) as a general donor for the soldiers of PEACE. Pulling from rikwandi’s donations, we arrive at the key point of the sequence: the National Bank of Indonesia. This bank has been which has mainly distributed the gold, in recent weeks, both for the intermediate donors and directly to the tanks. The National Bank of Indonesia has been nurtured mainly from state donations (approximately a total about 9000 GOLD) and to a lesser extent from other agencies such as the Central Bank of Argentina (in this case, the donations amounted to about 490 GOLD). Looking at the list of donations from the state, we see that in the past three months the National Bank of Indonesia has given to their tanks a quantity of about 6800 GOLD (just adding roughly the amounts) and has received in donations back around 1800 GOLD. However, there is one detail that powerfully calls our attention when investigating the list of donations, it is an at the least suspicious forward and backwards donation 3 months ago to and from sandygee for the amount of 8000 GOLD! (it can be checked on page 34 in the present moment- in the donations list from the bank)
Strange donation to and from the bank of Indonesia
Do we face the big hit of the gold bug? To be fair we must say that if there is no money doubled in the transaction the accounts match with the money currently owned by the Bank (about 2200 GOLD) and the donations carried out... except that the gold would have been used in operations to imbalance monetary markets. In any case, our readers will agree that it is at least strange to give a person the huge figure of 8000 GOLD. If we also take into account that the lists of donations have a strong tendency to be not complete or to show sudden disappearances or inconsistencies (which we have observed during this investigation, there are donations that appear to the donor but not to the receiver, and vice versa), doubt is inevitable.
THE LOOTING OF SMALL COUNTRIES
Take the money and run
Pulling back on the list of grants from donor "zero", i.e. rikwandi, we find another curious fact. A donation of 200 GOLD by the Brazilian Bunaly yesterday and another 200 GOLD 4 days ago from the same player, as shown on pages 2 and 4 (at this time) of the donations list from Bunaly. From that list we can say that Bunaly has two primary sources of funding. Going back on that list to about 9 days ago, there is a donation to Bunaly of 935 GOLD (!) by the organization Bangka ng Pilipinas. This money is from the plunder of the Philippines conducted by a group of PEACE players, mainly Brazilians in front of the Nationalist People's Coalition and also of other nationalities; having gain control of the country in the last election, they made a donation of 1000 GOLD to the OR and flied back to the land of samba and girls of dangerous curves. Indeed, the Philippines right now has only two active congressmen.
After taking the money, he also went to Brazil
This Bunaly on the other hand, has another source of funding at least curious: which seems to be a network of ORs distributed around the world under the name of "Tupi". In particular, Organizacao Tupi has donated Bunaly about 9 days ago 1400 GOLD. It is also at least surprising that in general the "To" overcome significantly to the "From" in the list of donations for this OR, a seemingly inexhaustible source of gold to its owner. Is Tupi holding the most successful in Erepublik? Is there something else behind it? Romans said in dubio pro reo, we will therefore grant him (for now) the benefit of the doubt.
In any case, in conclusion we can say that interesting times lie ahead in ER. Whether the gold of PEACE comes from the remnants of the gold bug and the plundering of small nations as if gold is really clean, they are running out of it. The inevitable question is: will we see the expected decline of PEACE, or shall we attend to a new deus ex machina, so to say something "paranormal" (I guess you understand) that allow the alliance enemy of our country to continue to disburse such sums of money?
Comments
PONx!!!!
REPONx
votado!
aja, me encanta tus trabajos de investigacion!!!
Não vendas fumo aos novatos.
Foi Espanha quem descobriu o bug do gold.Os admins baniram vários espanhóis e apenas um indonésio depois das investigações.
Garantiram que o fluxo de gold criado, durante os dias anteriores aos espanhóis terem usado o bug, decorreram normalmente.
Gonzo23.
Lo que tú digas gonzo, digo OR que habla
ZIZEÑÓ, VOTAU DEL TÓ
Charrito me empiezo a excitar con tus artículos.
CAMPEÕES!!!
BENFICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Interesante,votado.
Charrito, não quero saber se entendes ou não.
É só para os novatos não ficarem com a ideia que nós fomos os maus.
Hiper votado, interesante investigación.
lol
Estes ainda falam de takeovers.
Não foi Espanha que tentou fazer um TO à França?
Não fizeram um TO à India?
Vocês não são mais santos que os Indonésios.Coitados as vítimas são sempre os espanhóis.
votadisimo
muy interesante
@Warm 2: Yo me he corrido :nose:
Que buenos artículos pones. Gracias por tomarte el tiempo de investigar.
saludos desde colombia
Pero los admins no harán nada al respecto...
Solo le falta una english version y todos a reportar con el mismo mensaje.
8000 gold???!! 😮
no no harán na xD
¿Quien ve cosas raras? Yo no... Todo es 100% legal, y si no lo es, se arreglara todo para que lo sea.
Como Hamilton y las reglas de la FIA
muy bien, votado.
Voted!!! Gran artículo Charrito!!
Si antes te lo digo, antes haces la english version.
Ahora ya es increíble.
impresionante charrito
Charrito, cásate conmigo 😳
Impresionante.
P.D. Sobran las palabras. La donación de los 8000 GOLD me ha llegado. ¿Qué se habrá trameado con ella? Sólo algunos lo saben...
ese es mi sargento...
votado...
Un artículo muy bueno.
Votado!!
@Durruti: jajaja, jamás querría interferir entre Goldfinger y tú... 😛
El mensaje de todo este maremagnum de cuentas está claro, o existe un nuevo goldbug o a Indonesia se le está acabando el dinero. Quiero pensar en lo segundo, pero me da en la nariz que cosas que se ven por ahí no descartan lo primero
Haha if you don't trust the 8000, just report it.
(it could just as well be the same as the 15k some random Spaniard had in his donation list)
I find it so annoying that you blame the gold bug on PEACE players again. I was online when someone posted the url to a spanish org with 14k gold. Everyone immediatly reported it and we were all like wtf?
Don't blame this on PEACE, nor do I blame it on Atlantis. Blame it on the players who abused it (and consequently were banned).
Indonesia is a large country, where do you think they got their gold from? Is it any different from Romania (if you check their history you see how much gold they spent too)?
Also you should recollect the large amount of gold Vakistan had. Well, where did you think that went?
And you call the looting of small countries a PEACE tactic? Don't let me laugh, it was Romanians who practically invented it. And Bunaly is just a player who did the same, so now both sides use(d) it.
The admins don't even seem to want to do something against it, so it's quite a logical (unethical, annoying but logical) result.
(this also reminds me of Bolonia's article at the time screaming that darkplayer cheated. Oh wait, he buys his gold. OOPS)
@Jazar: it's funny to see how nobody can blame on PEACE while all PEACE blamed the whole Spain as cheaters (without making distinctions) just because some players exposed to the public the gold/items bug that had being used for weeks by players from all eR (and in particular, also from PEACE countries, c'mon, we all know that allowed PEACE to regain France). If you think that it was just a Spanish discovery on that Sunday, I guess that you are really candid.
Don't worry, the 8000 gold transaction has been already reported after the publication of this article. Probably nothing will happen, as usual. Anyway, you'll agree that's something quite unusual. If you have some explanation for the 8000 GOLD transaction, I'll be glad to read it.
Concerning ATLANTIS, in my previous article I already informed that they spend more gold than Indonesia at the battle of Siberia. If I have time, the origin of that gold maybe the subject of a future article (or not, anyway donation lists are public and you can investigate them too; I'll be glad to read your article in that case)
Of course I call takeovers "a PEACE tactic". I don't care who invented them. I don't care if it's wrong or right, or if both sides use them. Where am I saying that ATLANTIS has not carried out takeovers? Is that somewhere in the article?
Takeovers are just a source of financing of PEACE, as the evidences show. Bunaly and their friends just took 1000 gold from the Phillipines, leaving the country ruined. Is that a fact or not? Where's the problem in saying that?
Todos a la carcel
http://www.lavape.es/lapelikula/cine/pelis/imgspeli/talcarcel.jpg
@ Charrito: When did we blame Spain? I only found a transaction of Durruti, 15k, which I mentioned in my article. However, this appeared to be an other bug, and I apologized for that. I even wrote an article about stopping with the cheating propaganda like you are doing here.
PEACE managed to recover France because you gladly activated ALL the MPP's they could possibly have, using all your weapons in the first assaults and losing any sense of comprehension within your attacks. I wrote an article about it, how a lot of you say it's because of cheats. But when you actually took the time to look at the battle statistics you could see how wrong you are.
I have no idea about this 8000 gold. I know about around 8000 or even more that came from /v/akistan though (which I regard as a public secret).
I'm not going to create an article about cheaters, it's just funny that you only take a look at one side. It's especially the sentence "presumably PEACE members first discovered " that I consider laughable. A wild guess?
It's pure propaganda and though I don't mind propaganda, I do when you call other players a cheater.
charrito, gracias por su investigación, que son realmente un historiador rata, tan antiguo encontrado queso amarillo. Un elogio para ti! Queremos contratar a ser historiador de nuestra batalla, para seguir y hacer informe de todas las batallas que ganó, porque no hay ningún ciudadano de nuestro país quiere el trabajo, dijeron por escrito dicha lista se llevará a todos sus RL tiempo. Pero ya que usted no dispone de ninguno, creo que son la persona adecuada. Ponte en contacto conmigo si está interesado.
Owh, me olvide de escribir un poco acerca de que 8K oro. Yo escribí sobre esto en el foro, cuando un americano o español o rumano (wew, es difícil recordar esos mismos chicos atlantis) escribió acerca de más / menos propaganda mismo, ¿por qué me envió las NBI oro. Además, escribí un correo al administrador sobre esto y pedirles que hagan algo para solucionarlo. Así pues, suficiente de mí, pero no se olvide, hay un puesto de trabajo disponible para usted aquí!
Btw, inez send hi to you, and give tips : eat tempe if you want to be as rich and strong as us.
Konco-konco, gw ngetop euyyyy dikiro wong sugih ..... Ih waw !!!
@Jazar: "When did we blame Spain?"
Mate, you should have been in another planet that Sunday last January.
If you still want to think that PEACE recovered France in a clean way, I won't be the one to break your illusions. But I'm pretty sure that in the same way that ATLANTIS (and some Spanish players too) first did conquest it probably with the help of cheat gold (that oldest bug that you mentioned) the other bug was a key issue in the subsequent PEACE counter-attack. Shall we remember blink-az and their holdings financing half PEACE? Anyway, the article is not just focused on that, even if you want to turn it into a "cheat" article.
And yes, I look just at one side because I want to. ALL PEACE is invited to do the same the other way round.
(Funny too on the other way that you don't like to generalize, but then you say "you activated" "you used your weapons" etc... I don't remember myself to have activated any MPP, as far as I know)
@sandygee: better in english plz, google translate fails. In that way you may avoid insulting people unintentionally (I hope that unintentionally)
haha LOL , it show the quality of your XXXXX 😃
voted
You say "while all PEACE blamed", therefore I speak of 'we'. In that same sense I can only talk about 'you' as being Spain/Atlantis.
Here you see my response on the issue at that time: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/propaganda-yes--724157/1/20
A random quote: "Atlantis wasn’t cheating, PEACE GC wasn’t cheating, a number of pitiful and pathetic individuals has been cheating. ".
Anyway, I'll leave it with that.
Ya hasta me da verguenza poner algo en mi horrible periodicucho...
Chuanpi.
@Jazar: yep, but the problem is that some of those pathetic individuals were the strongest tanks of both sides or were involved in their countries governments. We can not forget about that. Some of those mentioned by you in your article are now banned or their ORs are. Admins took their time.
Unfortunately, cheaters (and there are many ways to cheat) are quite a lot in this game.
"I only found a transaction of Durruti, 15k, which I mentioned in my article. However, this appeared to be an other bug, and I apologized for that."
This is true Jazar, you did it, but during near a week a huge number of PEACE citizens wrote comments and topics in the forum demanding my ban.
With regard to the 8k, the "stranger" is the donation was of "going and return", moreover in a time in which we now know the GOLD could be duplicated by means of this kind of donations.
La política se ha convertido en saqueo... llaménlo Atlantis, o llaménlo Peace... presupuestos equitativos, hace mucho tiempo que no vieron mis ojos.
vaya que cosas
Votado.Continua así mostrandonos todas las porquerias de PEACE. Aunque cambiando de tema deberíamos hacer un poco de autocrítica de que papel jugamos como miembro de ATLANTIS (un papel segundón frente a la dictadura RUMANA y con ESTADOS UNIDOS que desearía anexionarse todo el continente americano, lo que hace que paises hermanos en lengua y cultura nos miren con maños ojos o incluso los tengamos como enemigos.
One thing I know, the gold of Atlantis cost one of their leader impeached ...
votadisimo
Votadisimo!
@gonzo: no te parece de muy mala educación no sólo ya el trollear sin ningún tipo de pudor, sino encima hacerlo siempre en portugués? Yo no tengo problema porque soy de Badajoz y entiendo tu idioma bastante bien, pero que sepas que eres un maleducado. Si de verdad quieres qeu te escuchen y te tomen en serio, tómate tú al menos la molestia de escribir en español. Y si no, pues ya sabes, para mí como el que oye llover.
Podemos ser todo lo hijop*tas que queramos, pero al menos conservemos las formas y la corrección.