Don't Let Roleplay Hobble your Gameplay: My Views on the "INCI Situation"
Satya Yuga
"But are they truly incomprehensible? In my experience, communication is a matter of patience, imagination. I would like to believe that these are qualities that we have in sufficient measure."
-- Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Darmok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAK-QAw7n0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA4EhNb41Mg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps0oWE-IlvQ
So, what is one to do regarding the "INCI Situation"? Do we treat them as citizens of the eUSA who are honestly looking to help us from our enemies while looking to prosper in their individual pursuits? Or do we treat them as PTOers who are looking to take over our Congress, dictate our Foreign Policy and drain our coffers? Some look at their actions as representing the former, others look at what their Spokespeople have said and the cumulative actions of hundreds of individual INCI as representing the latter. My goal is to address the concerns that I've read in Model Congress and various articles and comments with my views. I believe in using what works, so some of my views will sound familiar as I have used them previously in response to these issues. My objective is too consolidate all these views in a comprehensive and coherent article.
Why do they need a Political Party? If they truly came to this country for the benefits, fine. Work daily, form your companies, fight. Simple enough. They shouldn't need to change anything so why do they need the Political Party? Why do they stay separate with their Communes?
The problem I find with this view is that our established "Top 5" Political Parties are too use to Political Parties being social groups with no set ideology. That is not how Political Parties are commonly structured. Political parties serve the purpose of empowering constituents to achieve their goals regarding specific issues. The ccc INCI ccc party appears to exist for that purpose, some of those issues having to do with their homeland or, in the case of citizens born here, the homeland of their ancestors. Just as the NAACP, the League of Women Voters and the NAARP lobby for specific issues common among them, so do the INCI. Women, Senior Citizens and African Americans choose to use these lobbying organizations to stay separate to achieve goals specific to them.
If you want the INCI to integrate with the other parties, you have to approach them as individuals and convince those individuals that you can meet their needs better than the ccc INCI ccc party. Until you can convince the individual INCI that, they will remain with the ccc INCI ccc party, which they currently believe will best meet their needs.
That a good number of their population can't speak or write english is a serious concern for any longterm integration, and why the real life US requires a basic ability to read and write in english before granting citizenship. Equally, of course, a RL citizen born here would learn english as they grew up from infancy. The iNCi who claim citizenship via birth, but can't speak the language insult us with this communication situation.
Why should the INCI be treated fairly and equally within society, when a large percentage of its members struggle with the English language?
When these players from Turkey initial decided to start playing this game, I don't believe they could predict that down the road their homeland would become intolerable to them. I doubt that they could predict that they would end up seeking a better life in the eUSA. I doubt that they could predict that they would need to learn English in order to play this game. So, it disturbs me that we are look at an educational disadvantage as an insult. I find it extraordinary that many of these players from Turkey actually know English. I don't know Turkish, Arabic, or any other language at a conversational level, and as many times as I've tried to learn Mandarin Chinese, it has disappeared from disuse. Any Spanish that I once knew from 30 years ago is also gone. So, instead of working towards finding mechanisms that will help us communicate with each other, we use their disadvantage against them.
We're the eUSA, we're the melting pot of various criminals escaping from their oppressive governments to find freedom. In RL, when we first came here, we didn't speak any of the native language either. But the Aboriginal Americans (Native Americans for the PC) didn't hold that against us. I guess we can use that as a cautionary tale, seeing as how we overwhelmed them in population and turned our language into the official language of the USA. Our own history illustrates a successful PTO against the native population.
We have to hope that as they spend time with us, rational self interest will result in them learning English or at least encourage them to setup a mechanism for communication.
Analyze the interview with Captain33. Captain33 admits that he and his group are here to "take revenge" against Turkey and Greece. They wish to use the eUS as a tool for that revenge.
"first of all, normally this is secret aim and few person know this
but i can say something
we will take our revenge from turkish e-worms (lazokrats , xeraph)
and then we will take our revenge from greece
but how?"
They have every right to pursue their interests, even if it involves revenge. Didn't we just try to take over all of Mexico for the lulz? At least their interests have a solid purpose supported by a significant number of the population. The same cannot be said for our past Military strategies. They are usually decided by a few in the Executive branch. And is not eTurkey a part of PANAM? Once our MPP with eGreece is over, aren’t we committed to having an MPP with eTurkey, and wouldn’t that involve assisting them with recovering their country?
The rest of the interview is pretty disrespectful, as Captain33 feels that INCI; a completely foreign organization, deserves government funding. It is shocking, INCI hasn't been around for very long, and already they are demanded the eUS's trust. Unknown/unproven immigrants are entitled to nothing. They must first earn the respect of the people, and the government. Otherwise they are just a nuisance.
They don't need to earn the respect of the government, the government is the servant of the people. The government needs to earn our respect. As far as being immigrants, what about the INCI that were born here? When a new player enters this game, are they also entitled to nothing? Should we get rid of Armed America and Meals on Wheels, programs specifically created to help out people who have been playing this game less than a day? It seems that people are lumping them in with immigrants who have been granted citizenship. Once again, as any other citizen, they deserve the same rights as any other player who chose to make his/her origin the eUSA.
The INCI have shown a distinct ability to attempt to PTO as many congressional seats as they can for themselves. They are not friendly to the eUS's aims. As can be seen yesterday, they are not looking for equality, they are looking for control.
This statement is made as if the carving up of regions by Party Presidents in some smoke-filled IRC channel somewhere has legitimacy. That it is okay for Snipers to guarantee that Candidates chosen by these Party Presidents and not by "the people" are the ones elected to Congress to justify the end result of the best Congress possible. In my view, all this has done is guarantee that the same members hold office with insufficient new player learning how to be Congressman and insufficient new ideas being considered in Congressional forums.
The only ones who have the right to determine how many people the ccc INCI ccc, or any other party, have in Congress are the voters themselves. It also didn't help things that the FEC Public Worksheet doesn't list which of any of the "Top 5" party candidates were supposed to be Blockers and who the FEC Blockers were. Without this information, how was the voter to know who NOT to vote for? It isn't like the FEC is requiring Blockers, even their own, to use Blocker Avatars as requested.
If they want to join the eUS military, they are welcome to work in OUR communes, and follow OUR direct orders.
In the TC and the USNG, I was informed that working in the Communes was voluntary but encouraged. I, myself, am working in an SFP Commune. Wouldn't working in a Commune be voluntary for the INCI also? As players who contribute to military funding through the taxes they pay, why can't they join the Military and work in their own communes? Why is a different standard being applied to them than the one that is applied to others in the TC and USNG?
Proposal: Remove Access to Private Congressional Proceedings from iNCi members
And to top it all off we want to prevent them from having access to Private Congress because their constituents dared vote for their preferred candidate. God forbid if the United Independents Party became the new "black" and were overwhelming voted into office by two-clickers, due to their perceived popularity. Would we then prevent them from having access to Private Congress because their constituents dared vote for them?
In conclusion, I feel that it irks the ones whose power is threatened that they turned out able to play this game better than us. While we try and control eUSA citizens actions through the metagame (Congressional forums, IES, FEC, etc.), the INCI are sticking to game mechanics. While our voters were overvoting in California, Florida and Kansas, the INCI was either more aware of past election trends and used that information to their advantage, or realized that they shouldn't waste their votes in the traditional fortress regions and that they should spread them out. It is clear that they are more organized than us and more effective at playing the game.
It has recently been made clear to me, the Military was formed to provide the most EFFECTIVE damage in defense of this country – not the most efficient. And I would like to apologize for my past ignorance of that fact. It is clear to me through the previous actions of the INCI that they would be an effective force in our Military. Their ability to effectively organize and produce influence on the battlefield is a testament to it. They also know the importance of boosting the strength of our two-clickers. Let us let them prove it. Let us give them the opportunity to prove themselves in the Military on the battlefield, and in Congress in the Congressional forums. If we don't like how they perform and it is evident that they are a PTO threat, then that will be an incentive for us to organize, get rid of the roleplay that hampers our gameplay, rouse up our two-clickers and vote them out of office.
To quote renowned SFP member Alex Drex:
iNCi and US together, will be an epic force. None of this should have happened in the first place.
Comments
we know english but we wont speak in our arguements. but our international articles in turkish and english also.
v+s. gratz.
everybody know that: we will take our revenge... this is our next aim.. now we are us citizen... anyway, everybody will see that: who is your real ally at battle areas against indo... we have a opportunity for our relationships and we dont want to miss it.... now dont think the other things.. focus on war, nobody can touch texas.. inci sometimes can be bad but we dont become unfaithful anytime..
you cant understand what the inci is. inci is a brotherhood no one live ccc inci ccc for their benefits.
and we are here for 3months and we completely deserve oms budget now.. especially at this war..
Voted and subbed.
Good article Bruce.
INCI has right to take the revenge as US Goverment sold Turkey. So I respect all Turkish players in USA. If any of them need help from myside, I'll happily help them.
Fail US Government. Hail Turkey, Hail Inci.
@nagy c
be sure revenge of us for solding turkey is not our deal
revenge of lazos? or egreece ? may be..
but im repeating 100th time, EUS IS NOT OUR ENEMY. Or we are not chasing revenge,pto from her. may be we wanna rape her daughters ( not fatty ones ). rofl.
OMG WALL OF TEXT
I do not understand the desire to have an MPP with Turkey, especially since the Turks who immigrated here claim the ones who remained are cheaters. Also, why is INCI -instead of coming to America- not working to free their homeland? I do not trust anyone who would leave their homeland rather than fight for freedom.
Greece has been a good ally to America, but instead of renewing our MPP with them, we are going to appease INCI so they may have revenge on a friend of America. Why are they not fighting against Turkey, especially since they claim their homeland is being run by cheaters. Instead of changing American foreign, why do you not fight to free Turkey...I am pretty sure America would fight along side you. Free Turkey, return home and with help from America build Turkey into a powerful nation.
IMHO, INCI should be doing one thing, freeing their homeland. Any other action is working toward a PTo.
right now that we r talking Greeks are fighting on your side for honour not for their personal ambitions, i m not the one to say that inci are using you and your country, its their actions talking for themselves, your country is just a training ground for them and you ll see who and what they are when their done with you. dont really care if eUsa cancel mpp with Greece and replace it with the turkeys one, its you who s gone swap a trustworthy ally with a piece of s..t.
good luck
1. Greece comes first
2. Sufficient "cultural" assimilation is a must
speaking english??? i live in english. it is not only a language for me. it is the best way of expressing my own
Outlaw pilgrims came to rip off the natives... I learned that at the museum in Plymouth.
I don't want to see the back, I want to see the front
voted , thanks for writing the article from a neutral point of view. I really hope inci and eusa could cooperate although there are too many people in eusa who oppose inci .
I want to finish my comment with words of a wise Turkish man , Fatih Terim :
everything is something happened. we want to see the front, we dont want to see the back.
just idealize everything, in the end when all hope for USA is gone, with regions under occupation and with foreign goverment it will be you (article writer) and people like you who brought this upon this state, but what ever, you can just log out : )
who needs greece, croatia, romania, bulgaria when you can have few hundred turks ? right ?
@Pearl Fogkoyan: We have a similar quote, but I'm not sure who said it.
"Forget the past and look towards the future."
Awesome read...
My take - ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE - http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/all-you-need-is-love1-1696246/1/20
In Public schools English education starts at Middle school, in most of the private school this education starts in elementary school. So I believe most of the Turkish players here knows decent English. (At least they can understand what your talking about). However if you keep try to impose your views and say “This is America, speak English”, we will act in contrast. Because we love raging people and we are the most epic ragers ever. In irc sometimes I just say “No English” to people who try to have a conversation with me, sometimes I speak with them for hours, it just depends on my mood you know. Don’t forget Inci is just here to have fun, we don’t take things seriously, I recommend you the same. I also want to finish my comment with words of a wise Turkish man , Fatih Terim :
What can I do sometimesss?
great article.
I don't get either why we should MPP Turkey over our long standing allies.
From what Goalie told me, Turkey isn't even in PANAM yet, their admission was conditionnal to a PEACE agreement with Greece. Wich never happened.
People who are claiming we should MPP turkey have no clue on military game mechanics and Foreign Affair.
An MPP with Turkey= Losing support from Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia.
Is it really worth it? I say NAY!
Powerful article. Keep up the amazing work, Bruce!
@Chucky Norris
Do you think people are stupid?
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/PANAM
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/panam-a-statement-on-victory-and-purpose-en-pt-fr-tr--1676624/1/20
http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/108753-If-you-don-t-understand-with-words-i-will-show-you-with-pictures-..
@egemen_I, I took from the mouth of the acting president himself.
you can call him a liar if you want to.
@captain33: You have to comply with OMS rules to get OMS funding. Your side continually refuses to follow the rules and yet continues to demand things. Follow the procedure, do as asked, and you can get funded. Continue to do nothing, scream about equal rights while demanding MORE than anyone else, ignore OMS rules/laws and you'll continue to get little to nothing.
Really thats my whole problem INCI. They came here promising to follow our rules and laws so they would be treated equal. The moment they got in they started demanding "equality" which in reality was special treatment for their little group above that of eUS citizens. When they didn't get it, they claimed we were racist or xenophobic. The came her saying they would NOT get involved in politics, then asked for 1 seat and ran 2. Then 5 seats and ran more, then 10 seats and ran 30+.
Clearly the problem is that "Equality" for them means putting every single American, no matter how long they have been here or how hard they have worked in line way behind their members, many of whom were let into this country in defiance of the rules.
INCI: Learn to keep your promises. You promised to stay out of politics, you promised to integrate into the community, you promised that if you joined our military you'd do it properly. Keep these promises and you might repair some of the trust your poor actions have removed.
@Chucky
You don't have to be Einstein to understand hes lying.
so says the spanish guy
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needs more pictures and a tl;dr
i didn't read
i didn't read
i eating rice
zaaaaaaaa xD
I disagree.
inci is a kind of dadaism.
you can't understand easily.
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