Do You Support A Party's Right to Organize?
fingerguns
How long have hardcore players in this game, often government officials, complained about the partisanship and immaturity brought about on behalf of parties? How long have parties argued amongst themselves about what other parties are 'on their side'? How many times have we heard a military or national leader complain that 2-clickers and semi-active failed to follow orders so our goal was not achieved? Long before I joined this game, I can tell you that much. But can that ever stop?
We're running out of states. Wars to regain regions have started, but the orders are to move away to maybe Canada or Greece. If you're in the military, follow those orders (which are also to move away). Well what if you're not in the military? Let's be honest, most people aren't. I know I was astonished when I learned how small our actual military is. Serious efforts have been made to boost recruitment into the Training Division and the Air Force. No matter what kind of player you are in this game, it's obvious that the whole country will benefit if our nation is full of active, educated people, working hard and fighting for our national interests. RL soldiers play eRepublik, and as you play with them, you can't help but feel like a douche for not being in even the imaginary version of the military, and our country desperately needs more force behind their national strategies. However, much, if not most of that effort has been on the behalf of political parties. Say what?
When this war broke out, the new ad module was put to the test as parties purchased ad after ad driving people to enlistment information or tutorials for newbs to fight or official newspapers with citizen orders. Parties suspended campaigning for Congress to focus their party's resources on the war effort. The 'social clubs' often criticized for bickering or being generally worthless came together voluntarily to rally behind the government in a time of crisis. Due to the hard work and focus of party leaders, enlistments have spiked and more new members are informed about their military options than ever before... they just can't get in.
But do you NEED to be in the military to know what is going on? According to the government, yes. According to party leaders, no, not really. Because of party organization, official messages from the President or our generals are passed around and discussed. Important information that semi-active citizens (including some enlisted) may have missed is brought to their attention through party organization and off-site forums. New citizens can make sense of the chaos they have walked into and insert themselves immediately into a group that can help them - a political party. Parties provide assistance for their members and potential recruits in the form of information, education and even items like food, gifts and moving tickets. They can help new citizens born into conquered regions to get where they need to be, even easing the path to citizenship through the party's Congressional representatives. i]citizens, contact one of your party leaders to find out more on how to get assistance and make sure you're registered on your party's forum![/i
The party structure and organization is one of the biggest assets this nation has. We can keep people more directly informed. We mobilize our membership. We can help provide for them when national organizations are overloaded. So why is the government so unwilling to work with party leaders? Are they simply holding on to hurt feelings from nearly a year ago before most people even played this game? Are they so out of the loop that they haven't seen how the political climate has changed since the war started? Why must party leaders BEG our government officials to let them help serve the national agenda? They want us to be more, so why won't they help us get there?
Recently The Federalist Party proposed party Training Divisions, to educate newbs about fighting and battle game mechanics. The national Training Division is full of holes where citizen after citizen falls through, unable to finish and unable to get the education they need. While the party could have easily set up their own military (and many suggested we do), we decided as a party that we are unapologetically country-first. We're federalists, afterall. We want to help the government by sharing in the responsibilities of leadership. I believe at this point, most major parties do, as some have requested help simulating our party training division and we happily oblige. We feel the country needs the MOST help right now with citizen organization, retention and education. Party training divisions can assist with all of those things without stripping power away from our central government or official military. Party training divisions aren't responsible for handing out weapons or giving secret national orders- but rather they are educated on how damage works and how to enlist. But this isn't just about battle education...
In an effort to make these party training divisions official and uniform, serving the country how they need us most, I've been reaching out to a variety of government and military officials to discuss. While some are interested in the idea, the powers that be have given me a flat out 'no,' citing it was important to create loyalty to the nation and the government, not political parties. This position is an understandable one, however it neglects to recognize some pretty obvious things, the most obvious being that this nation has ALWAYS had the power collected at the top. Every effort is a national effort and our federal government is responsible for everything from Meals on Wheels to Mentorship to Education to the Military and they're each run by just a couple people. Meals on Wheels is the only department that consistently produces results, as the others go through times of inactivity or such disorganization that they're frustratingly ineffective. The partisanship and bickering in this country DOES stem from party loyalty, but it has been happening while the government ran everything. I don't see how keeping everything exactly the same will change that.
I have said before that I believe the partisanship and bickering are due to one very important thing that cannot continue to be overlooked- boredom. Unless you're in Congress or the current Administration, you don't really have anything to do in this game except wait for orders. Actually, that's basically what you do in Congress, too, but at least you hear about what is going on and can throw in your two cents directly to people that can make a difference. Historically, parties have had no responsibility and nothing to do EXCEPT win elections by fighting with each other. Unless a party leader holds multiple jobs in Congress and the Administration, they know no more than the average citizen about current events or national strategy, so they are unable to participate. In the past, some 'in the loop' party leaders have even worked actively against national orders and did some serious damage to the national agenda. Why? Not because the individuals feel no loyalty to the country, but because that PARTY LEADER had no loyalty to the country. And why should they? They're considered a cancer and treated as such. However their ability to organize and cut us off at the knees during last month's Congressional race proved how important it is for the government to wake up and take better stock of their national resources.
But they still aren't doing it.
With such vague citizen orders coming down the line, a confusing situation for new members, and a line around the block of people waiting to get into TD (and a longer line trying to get out), where should a citizen go if they want to be an effective part of a real plan? Most likely their political party. As I see it, the government has a simple choice. Either get the parties on the same page and let them help lead this nation (the 'nation' being the actual citizens in this country), or deal with large sections of the population doing their own thing. This isn't a threat, it's a warning. You can already see it happening. How much difference can a hundred active, organized people make? In a small country, it can make a big difference. During a PTO attempt, it can make the difference. We have 7 parties with at least 100 people in them. Do you really want them going 7 different directions without any coordination with the government?
A few weeks ago, party leaders met with key members of the current Administration. While they insisted that party leaders would be crucial to helping us win this war, the orders from our government to party leaders have been exactly this:
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Should we just do whatever, then? Or should we keep pushing the Administration to take advantage of the current leadership of the major parties and their desire to organize with the country and really change the way parties work in the eUS? There will always be partisanship and there will always be bickering among candidates or supporters, but it doesn't have to be destructive. It can be the sideshow we keep insisting it is without doing any real damage to the country. Parties can put country-first and work with the government like States do in RL. As we have seen, regions really don't matter. Congress is important, but their constituency is their party. That's who voted for them, primarily. Your party forums and IRC are where you live and your fellow party members are your neighbors. Despite the sour feelings toward the parties of this country- they have done their job. They're organizations that win elections and push political agendas. Make them more than that (as parties have done voluntarily) and they can be the biggest asset the eUS has. Party leaders have gotten it together and we're focused on rebuilding the eUS, but if we didn't coordinate with each other there would be no coordination at all.
President Emerick- help us help you help everyone.
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amerimaxxx
Voted. Agree 100%.
Great damn article. Vote this stuff up people
Great Article FG. I'm still waiting on a reply from the eUSA Training Division when I applied Months ago. Found my place in the Federalist Party and in their Forums.
Merc you know I got you 100%
Fed TD, not a private army just a party run mentorship program!
Federalism, FTW!
Fantastic Article FG!!
Why would the government Not want to work with the very same parties that gave them their political career once upon a time? Why would they want to alienate the very same political parties that will endorse them to run for office and organize their members to vote for them to secure them in office?
You shouldn't cut off your nose to spite your face! The government NEEDS parties, because without them, they will become nothing! For too long, roles and responsibilities at the highest end of the gaming spectrum have been dominated by social cliques and the good ol' boy system.
Eventually, party leaders are going to be so tired of the lack of involvement from government they Will do their own thing. What will happen if/when we lose the eUS. It's a new start, will government believe they will waltz back into their job? Highly unlikely if they don't start showing respect from the top end.
Change starts at the top.. for the sake of our Country at the very least.
Outstanding article that cuts to the bone of the problem. Good job FG.
I'm all for parties helping organize people, but the partisan bullshyte needs to stop.
yet another party that simply cannot face facts and cooperate. I wasn't wrong when I listed the feds as one of the most partisan parties in this country. And it is only continuing. sigh.
John Jay, you fail at reading.
...this is pretty ironic for the Federalist Party... XD
Still a fan! 😃
FG, you fail at supporting your country's interests. Always have. Go flame someone else little girl, you're not even in my league.
@John Jay, I fail to see how you think, based on this article, that she is not supporting the country. All she is offering is another way to educate citizens and train them for fighting. How do you see fault in that? The current way does not appear to be working.
How do I see fault in that? It is all tied to a party, that's how. To make parties seem important is futile, because they are not. The administration now and all others to date have not been able to organize anything BECAUSE of partisan politics played by the Feds and others. Now all of a sudden it's something we should "fix" by giving party presidents power and information they do not need. I am not buying, and any other level headed person that has seen the actions of these parties wouldn't either.
Supporting the country because you want a bigger chunk of it is not supporting your country, it is political partisanship. It seems funny to me that parties are now crying for more exposure now that we are down to a handful of states. Where were you before the war? Oh, that's right, people weren't voting you into office because of your political bias. The only person I can see in the Feds that has ounce one of common sense and leadership abilities is Gaius. If he had written this, maybe I could give it a chance to be un-partisan and the full truth. Instead we get another article from the Feds saying "the govt is fail the govt is fail, join the Feds we can make it better" when in reality, NO party could make this better. It will take a unifying effort across all spectrums to be effective. And you won't see that come out of this country, for sure.
@John Jay, I agree with you regarding the partisanship with the parties. However, no matter how much we bitch and complain, it will NEVER go away. I think that 90% of of our citizens joined this game so that they could "play politician", because its how the game is advertised. After joining, 3 different types of gamers are created. Those that realize that politics is not the way, those that quit and those that continue to play politician.
Everyone can yell from the mountaintops that citizens shouldn't be roleplaying, but it hasn't stopped nor will you or I or anyone continously yelling about will, it just creates more division.
I like fingerguns plans because at least her idea is looking at another way to educate players, especially those that are heavy into "party politics". I cannot speak on the rest of the Fed's agenda or fingergun's agenda except for what I read in this article. But we must face facts that several of our citizens want to "play party politics", so why not try to reach them, even though their way is wrong. Maybe a more educated player will learn that game mechanics trump all.
Cooperation isn't the problem JJ, it's the fact that the gov't TD has been total FAIL for a majority of those who go through it. They get lost in the shuffle, and new players are left without direction. This is an effort to educate the new players on how to be good soldiers, citizens, and party members. If you have something against that, well then, you have deep seated problems.
Cooperation is the ENTIRE problem.
This is not an effort to educate citizens, it is an attempt to get citizens to join a political party to be "educated" as the party sees fit.
The "deep seated issues" you speak of seem to afflict you more than I.
@Lex: You cannot educate someone who has no wish to cooperate. Period. If all they want to do is play party politics, the Feds and all other parties should be dismissing these people, like most of us dismissed Ajay. This is not the time (as if there is one) for disgusting partisan politics and veiled recruiting articles.
You can "reach" citizens all you want, but don't write articles that are nothing but recruiting tools masked in "we are helping the country" BS.
"This is not an effort to educate citizens, it is an attempt to get citizens to join a political party to be "educated" as the party sees fit."
You shouldn't speak of things you know nothing about. This idea is being shared amongst all parties, and I (the one who created and now operate the Fed TD) am encouraging every party in America personally to create their own PTDs. I have spoken to Angelini, who is in full support of this. I have spoken to many PPs (others have yet to respond) and all but one has been extremely interested in taking on similar projects.
We as Federalists cannot help that we come up with great ideas and wish to share them. If you must shoot them down, please, do so intelligently and with info backing you.
Vote HARD. Excellently argued, fingerguns!
Don't tell us to learn the game mechanics and then complain bitterly about institutions, like parties, that are programmed into the game.
Parties ARE one of erep's biggest assets. At a time when the military and other off-site institutions are too flooded to incorporate new members, party provide a crucial link betwee the citizens and the government.
It is called "civil society". The anti-partisans should check out a book or two on the topic.
Stroke your ego some more, it's why you're a fed right?
I don't care who you have spoken to, I think you are the one that need to take off the blinders and see this for what it is, just like everyone around you.
I have made clear, educated comments from experiences and what I have seen in my year here. In your four months, what have you done? Except bitch and complain about your government, and support lame brained ideas that are designed to circumvent the government and educate citizens as the party sees fit.
Careful. Don't trip on that ego on your way out.
@Lex:
""But we must face facts that several of our citizens want to "play party politics", so why not try to reach them, even though their way is wrong. Maybe a more educated player will learn that game mechanics trump all.""
I applaud your advice, and I'm glad you've realized that reality, although you are still under the mistaken impression that players' preferences are themselves THE TRUMP MECHANIC.
As for mechanicism: "Technicians always make themselves sovereign because they feel they alone know what they are about...the responsibility for any evil overtaking them has to be borne by those who have allowed them full reign." - Simone Weil
We need to understand the games mechanics, but let's stop electing ideological mechanicists, folks!
"The government cannot just demand cooperation. It must earn it. It earns it by working with the citizens that elected it."
The government demands cooperation when the votes are counted. It is already "earned" when you give those candidates your vote.
"The TD is also letting many players fall through the cracks, so why not let a party, who has a direct in game interest in preventing players from falling through cracks, take a shot at incorporating new players into the eUS system."
Because we do not believe parties have the interests of this country in mind, only their own numbers. And that my friend, is a point nobody can argue, because we have seen it many times before.
"Oh well. Complain all you want. We're gonna go educate some citizens."
I am not complaining, I am stating a valid opinion, the parties in this country care not about the country itself, just how much power they wield.
Wow, JJ is pretty hot under the collar. Careful you don't descend into "bickering" now. Can't have that!
"Ironic to be lectured on ego by John Jay. Moving right on though, maybe a year ago, when you joined, the government taught you something. The government never gave me the time of day. I could have quit the game out of boredom with two clicking. Instead I joined a party that believes you can help your country from outside the government.
We're not 'bitching and complaining'. We're taking action. You won't stop us."
LOL, first of all, stick to what you know CS. You have never even attempted to talk to me in all your time here, your opinion of my ego is irrelevant.
When I joined the government taught me nothing, neither did my party. So don't come to me playing the "woe is me, nobody cares about me" BS. Very unbecoming.
No, you joined a party that wishes to circumvent the government then take credit for doing so. If you are going to brag, get it right.
"Wow, JJ is pretty hot under the collar. Careful you don't descend into "bickering" now. Can't have that!"
OK, noob, if you say so. This is more amusing than anything, especially when people like you cannot see what is happening right in front of them. Mad, I am not, laughing at you, I am.
I have no interest in controlling anything. It sounds like someone cant handle a person's opinion without flaming. I know many people in the Feds. I have respect for one.
Stop trying to make the Feds out to be something special, when in reality, they are your run of the mill party, trying to gain a top five.
When have I been out of line. Seems as though you have issues with people that have opinion, citizenslave. Something you should look into.
Lastly, don't ever presume you can tell me what I should understand. I see a bigger picture here, and I also see the reasoning you are being so idiotic in your comments. Black eye for the party, eh. I have been nothing but civil, so your comment is moot.
JJ: This game gives all the opportunities to help the eUS beyond two-clicking a very small group of 'Beta giants' whos only qualification that sets them apart from other people is that they were here before beta. There is an old boy system and if the parties give people a way to work around this dangerous stagnation then what is the harm?
And of course you know what this program's about over me? Haha, talk about ego issues. You couldn't possibly know what this program's for, considering how you're not even informed on the issue.
I'm a mentor in the Mentorship Program, and my top priority of all my Erep career has been to educate new players on how to best play the game. The program is innately a recruitment tool, as is everything that is positive about any party. Would you rather join the party who's unorganized, or the party which uses their resources and structure to the best of their abilities? However, while it is attractive, it doesn't teach anyone that joins the Feds that "we're the best" or whatever. It's based heavily on US TD curriculum, but we've added in information about party communication and structure; links to forums and IRC. Nothing else bro.
And we joined the Feds because we enjoy being part of a group of people who knows they can do things better than the government and consistently DOES do them better. It's not about power, it's about making the game more playable, understandable, and enjoyable for new players so that they can make their own decisions, whatever they may be.
"yet another party that simply cannot face facts and cooperate. I wasn't wrong when I listed the feds as one of the most partisan parties in this country. And it is only continuing. sigh."
"FG, you fail at supporting your country's interests. Always have. Go flame someone else little girl, you're not even in my league."
You are entitled to your opinions. I'm just going to counter them when I find fault with them. Especially when you get personal attacking something I don't think you really get.
"I haven't spoken to you much. I'm sorry, does that offend you? I have seen you spouting off your 'wisdom' as if it is gospel. I have been banned from an IRC channel by you for no reason. I don't expect the government to help me, but I expect them to stay out of the way when someone else does.
I am not bragging about what the Federalist Party has done, but I am proud that we're not going to sit down and shut up just because someone like you tells us to."
I too have been banned from IRC for no reason. What's your point, we have no rights there.
No, I don't care in the least that you haven't talked to me. But it shows your true character when you can make assumptions about someone you know nothing about other than what others have told you. Bad form.
I never told you to shutup. I am simply doing what you are doing, I am educating people to see the real reasoning. So I will ask you this....who died and left you boss of who gets to educate new players?
JJ earlier>>FG, you fail at supporting your country's interests. Always have. little girl, you're not even in my league.
JJ now>>I have no interest in controlling anything. It sounds like someone cant handle a person's opinion without flaming.
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LOL...good to know CS, that you put party before country.
Good show.
Awesome article FG. As always, voted.
Who is this John Jay guy? I have never heard of you mate, and I would say you haven't taken the time or care to get to know Any political party.
Good Luck trying to get into an official game-mechanic induced position without playing politics or getting the support from a political party.
You should check the definition of a troll, you have portrayed that all through this fine article.
You should read your history.
And it's so cute, you actually said "I have never heard of you" like it actually matters. I've been around eRep for four times the amount of time you have. Maybe if you weren't such a noob, then you would know.
Really? Then you are saying that trolls present their arguments in a proper form, and discuss opinions and facts in an open forum. Go away troll boy, get a few more months under your belt, then let's see what you can do.
Well written comment, FG.
But I am a party guy, I am UIP.
Bravo for an excellent article.
St Krems makes a great point: "There is an old boy system and if the parties give people a way to work around this dangerous stagnation then what is the harm?"
JJ, if you are UIP, then you should be all about this. Your party Presidents over the last couple of months have been working alongside the other major party leaders to implement these things I am talking about. You guys stuck by your ideological guns by rejecting a Congress freeze, but then took steps to help the nation by agreeing to suspend campaigns and only move voters overseas to help with the war strategy. It is the perfect example of how parties can organize to benefit the nation. I just want to make sure these changes are permanent so we don't go back to how things were just 4 months ago.
Voted, because the comment section made me lol.
I didn't agree with my party's actions. I think the US should not be concerned with overseas operations, when we cannot even take care of ourselves domestically. This does nothing to benefit our nation.
It is a clear example of why we are hated though.
>> Maybe if you weren't such a noob, then you would know.
I cant believe we've resorted to "Your a n00b while I iz |E3T"
Can we please leave out the attacks and focus on points made in the article?
@Pheonix: 😁 ty ty
@FG:
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Cynic Grim, proud and most likely life long member of the AAP party, would like to say the following- Good idea. The success of actions and concepts comes entirely from a volunteer player base. Our "government" doesn't make things work, dedicated people who volunteer to make things work does. The TD/military are full and have a backlog, this is a player run idea that has the potential to help. Instead of playing the politico- card or the Numbers boosting card, or the "Self agenda" card, I would like respond with this. There is more to this game then politics, and sometimes in a situation where ones nation is destroyed, maybe people want to help more and play politican less.. if you can't grasp that JJ, then perhaps you need to play politician less.
">> Maybe if you weren't such a noob, then you would know.
I cant believe we've resorted to "Your a n00b while I iz |E3T"
Can we please leave out the attacks and focus on points made in the article?"
I did not resort to anything, your boy put himself there.
"There is more to this game then politics, and sometimes in a situation where ones nation is destroyed, maybe people want to help more and play politican less.. if you can't grasp that JJ, then perhaps you need to play politician less."
I grasp that fine, but I am clearly not playing politician here, I am stating my opinion. If you wish to supress that, heh, good luck on that..isn't happening.
"The success of actions and concepts comes entirely from a volunteer player base. Our "government" doesn't make things work, dedicated people who volunteer to make things work does."
HAHAHA THIS😁😁 This is my point exactly. If something doesn't work you FIX it, not make something exactly like it in a closed off environment (a party). The people of these parties should be volunteering to fix what is there, period. The notion of "we can do it better" doesn't work when you're not even participating in what is there.
Many players have tried to fix the US TD, but to no avail. New players PM their CO's constantly, but again, no answer. This is our way of getting the same information out there, but on a reliable basis. That's all.
This is a great article, and a really great series of comments! I see the strength of the author's argument, and accept the stated motivations as genuine, but I have to say that I find myself agreeing with John Jay - and not because I'm a noob and he's my hero and I kiss butt, but because that is what I believe as well.
To re-create the wheel and have many semi-independent wheels going does nothing to improve the system that is currently in place. The AAP has recently decided against the creation of a para-military unit on the grounds that it does not serve the interests of the US. We should re-double our efforts to improve what we have, to make it what we WANT versus what we've GOT. We already have a Military arm to the government... if it is ineffective, then it needs work, not an alternate arm. Employ more people to get the necessary work done. Do SOMEthing. But do not resort to 'I'm gonna be okay, but you guys are f*cked.'
Voted.
I won't comment on the trolling and egomania in this comments section. But nice article.
Great article, and i didn't realize how significant political parties are. Would be nice if i didn't have to apply to the military again. Twice now i have applied with no response.
Fingerguns, agreed.
My Sentiments:
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