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Croatia scores own goal by kicking eIndia into CoT

Day 1,870, 13:03 Published in India Ireland by Death and Taxes


OK, this was not the article I was intending to write. The article I wanted to write was on the lines of Hail! Croatia. Hail! India. Fail Indonesia! Fail! Thailand and then waffle on how wonderful things were, what with India obviously leaning back towards EDEN again, having MPP's with Canada, Ireland and China now in place.

Not to mention the highly fortunate and convenient recent NE campaigns where we managed to form a double block on our respective enemies as outlined HERE like so:



Great huh? So why am I not writing this article, well I'm not writing it is because of this:



Which then resulted in this:



Which then resulted in this on the Indian side:



But was completely rejected on the other side:



Until someone upped the odds like this:



Which thankfully was reciprocated by this:





So. I CAN'T tell you what has gone wrong, because I'm not privy to the governmental and congress PM threads. I'm also hardly ever on IRC or SKYPE to utilise what appears to be the standard means of communication in eIndia.

However, as I've pointed out before, there is an onus on the government to communicate to its people and also to a wider international audience by using the press. Unfortunately, over 24 hours after the start of this debacle we still haven't had any official communication.

eIndia. I'm sorry, but this is very poor. Should I be the only one who seems and feels the need to try and explain to this country what is going on using the media? There is an art to communication, and it is the finest propaganda medium in eRepublik. You must tell your own story and tell it well....



I have the link to the logs where the discussions took place between eIndia and Croatia before the NE were started. However, those of you who know me realise that I don't do leaked logs, nor do I do screenshots of PM's or feeds. Why? Because they are easily manipulated and people don't believe them any more. There is also the element of reputation, people can send stuff to me and know I am not going to pass it on elsewhere, even to my best friends in eRepublik.

What I can tell you was that the conversations took place between:

Wild Quark eIndian MoFA
Vladimir AlexeieIndian dMoFA
sino301eCroatian Prime Minister
AhileusseEgyptian Prime Minister and vMOFA of eCroatia
AshwamedhCongress member
FrojlaSome eCroatian commander

So what was the conversation about that I can't tell what happened? Well to be honest, it was the usual..



Which isn't surprising as English is not the first language of Croatia. But the gist of the matter is that both sides were unable to come up with a compromise and a clear decision about how both countries could progress together. This is a failure of diplomacy on both sides.

I will add that the Croatians had set up something singularly unpleasant and insulting to our eIndian representatives but someone else can explain what that was, it's not for me to say

So it was after this discussion that Croatia launched their NE proposal.



The Croatian CP has written an article Here about the story leading up to the natural enemy proposal. Even taking into account the weakness of Google translate it still comes across as a complete rambling mess.

So what does this leave us with? Well hopefully, a media piece that people can comment on and enlighten us with and give their perspective on. As for me, well here is what I think:

Croatia and India had a beneficial land deal going on. Croatia screwed it up by failing to contain their MU's when they were supposed to give one of our regions back.

India has a strong and vocal segment that wanted to leave GEA/EDEN and forced through a disastrous referendum that no-one likes or trusts.

India gave her word and fought for EDEN during the last few weeks and helped Croatia from being wiped. In addition, she has signed MPP's with EDEN or pro-EDEN countries.

There was a chance in the last couple of days for Croatia to take advantage of this and cement India back into the pro-EDEN camp.

By chance or design or complete incompetence, Croatia has screwed this up and so now, from my point of view, there is no going back for India. India will join CoT and fight to wipe Croatia from the map, and she will be bringing friends...


There is still time to turn this around however, and I would ask both sides please to try diplomacy once again...

Thank you for reading....




 

Comments

OVALNI REBORN
OVALNI REBORN Day 1,870, 13:06

so you did not apply for CoT membership?
and you weren't refused?
you are suffering amnesia?

keep your allies close and your enemies even closer xD

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,870, 13:12

dalmaintino, you don't know me. I am neutral in this. I do not believe it is in eIndia's interests to join CoT. All the more reason why Croatia should have ensured it didn't come to this. But you did....

Nataliia from Galicia
Nataliia from Galicia Day 1,870, 13:19

time to go home, Mall ^^

SexyCicko
SexyCicko Day 1,870, 13:28

we have been talking all the time : )

CFovetS
CFovetS Day 1,870, 13:29

Actually TWO and CoT like Croatia right where they are. Why would they want to remove Croatia from India? Serbia is occupying Cro core regions. It would be dumb for them to force Cro to fight them back in their core.

Suster Toni
Suster Toni Day 1,870, 13:31

i can only say that people in your government are idiots, we really tried to solve our problems, i don't have anything against India ( you fought well alongside us), but sometimes we must do things we do not like. Hope that we will solve this problem after new/better people come as leaders.....

Dranze R
Dranze R Day 1,870, 13:32

dalmatino,
no we did not apply for CoT membership.
If we didnt apply, how will we be refused?
Everyone around here is healthy.

The fact is CoT offered us help, but we refused it. Now you NE'ing has forced us to take up the offer.

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,870, 13:36

Yes quite the situation, if only our government actually told us their plan... wait let me rephrase... if only our government had a plan.

The real problem here is that on multiple occasions eCroatia asked eIndia over the last week for permission to move northward and eIndia said no. Our CP told eCroatia that they were no longer welcome. Well obviously eCroatia isn't planning on allowing itself to be wiped as they have moved themselves to our regions (welcomed here with open arms I might add).

The issue is that our government is trying to move us toward CoT, which it is allowed to do, but now they are pissed that eCroatia is not cooperating... what did we really expect eCroatia to do?

OVALNI REBORN
OVALNI REBORN Day 1,870, 13:40

while thanking CoT on their generous offer, you also said you refuse since you MUST improve your relations with Thailand first. or it was other way around? not sure anymore xD
must have been me with amnesia then, all the way xD

Kaad
Kaad Day 1,870, 13:41

I will be happy to fight for India with CoT and help you to recover your territory.

Simonymous
Simonymous Day 1,870, 13:56

West side mfkz

klop123
klop123 Day 1,870, 14:07

^haha

Trogdorthetroll100
Trogdorthetroll100 Day 1,870, 14:14

lulz

klop123
klop123 Day 1,870, 14:26

If eIndia ever joined CoT, it would become a battleground.... for China/Croatia v.s Indonesia/Thailand

Nothing good would come out of that for eIndia

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,870, 14:56

thanks for stating the obvious klop123, i just wish our government understood this clear and simple fact...

Velibor Dolas
Velibor Dolas Day 1,870, 15:11

croatia asked Indian officials to meet in a room called "fu** cows" in order to talk...whoever doesn't believe me can ask an official or reffer to croatian news

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,870, 15:25

i know, dude I am not saying that eCroatia is great, I am just saying that I can understand why they were pissed off at eIndia and in the long run CoT will not accept us as members and could care less about eIndia. Time will tell i suppose...

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Day 1,870, 15:50

wow... First off, I wouldn't be so quick to say CoT wouldn't accept India. Give it time. If I were in charge of an alliance that constantly fights with the powerhouse EDEN, I'd be more than happy to let a betrayed angry and loyal country in my ranks. Not to mention (which our friendship with Bulgaria helped) CoT immediately began inviting Ireland after we left EDEN.

I'm just saying. Looking at it from a reasonable opinion, Diplomacy failed on both ends, but turning so quickly on a former ally who has helped you so much lately is no noble action by Croatia. Best of luck eIndia.

Allea230112
Allea230112 Day 1,870, 19:52

eIndia hidden in the armpit eCroatia, lol

Asmitatheone
Asmitatheone Day 1,870, 21:51

One of the best compilation of facts. Unfortunate facts, but facts nonetheless!!!
I would further add that the FA departments of both countries super failed. Again unfortunate but true!

Vladimir Alexei
Vladimir Alexei Day 1,870, 23:59

"our CP told eCroatia that they were no longer welcome"

This is complete bullshit. Yes they asked to go nort, but they always could RW 1 region and then stop the war. We never asked them to leave even when they said that they wont pay our rent anymore. Then they called us on a meeting on a channel called #jebeskrave (fuckcows) which is sad... Rest is history

Ind1anMartyr
Ind1anMartyr Day 1,871, 01:29

WHat I do agree is that perhaps a fe wmore articles on how things are going, would be good - but please understand that Alector (MoFA) quit the game quite unexpectedly and this caused quite a problem until we got a new MoFA in.

Whilst criticism is healthy Roger, its good to also speak to the government to try and find out their point of view - why wer ethings done the way they were?

Had the government been insanely anti Croatia - they would DEFINITELY not have signed pro EDEN MPPs.

The government only initialised talks with other non EDEN nations once neutrality was declared, in the interests of self preservation. No one ever spoke of removing Croatria, however bad our relations had become.

Its easy for everyone to say that our diplomats are raw, green, aggressive... what about the vastly experienced Croat diplomats? Is it a policy that on the day of NEing us, when the FA team asks for an audience to seek clarification, they get invited to "fuckcows"

Is that better diplomacy? would it not serve to incense ANYONE? As some senior players have suggested, they would not have even gone for the meeting, and yet the FA team DID attend.

Also if anyone saw the chat logs, NO ONE from the Croatian side said they only wanted to go North... all the talk seemed to be centred around India being "erased".

Indians are generally pretty smart in real life, but clairvoyance (contrary to popular belief) is not a natural trait we share... so we just could not figure out "erase" = go North.

Perhaps it is our bad : D

New Faustian Man
New Faustian Man Day 1,871, 04:47

Interesting read, Mal.

Voted.

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,871, 07:10

@Ashwamedh: first of all you are a liar my friend, eIndian's are in fact clarvoyant.

but seriously, I agree with you on many points, though I have on many occasions attempted to speak with the govt about the ongoing situation... to no avail.

Vladimir Alexei
Vladimir Alexei Day 1,871, 07:33

You never contacted MoFA team since I`m around to ask anything. You could have but you didnt. Creator of this article (very good guy) contacted me because he was confused, so I took some time to answe his questions and I think its ok now.

But you Roger cant stand India not being in EDEN. Also you cant stand being without power. You though when you cam here that everything will be nice and people will accept you as a savior who will eventually become our king, or something like that?

Well dude reality is that you are the guy who is fighting against Indian allies (Bulgaria) and by doing so protesting against the government. Not only that, I also know that your plans are to get more Indians to fight against CoT countries dreaming that we will get back to EDEN someday. Please if you ask me stop doing that or I`ll find the cure for you eventually

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,871, 08:11

Hmm Vladimir. I'm sorry, I am not confused. I'm pretty clear. Expect another article tonight. I fought against Bulgaria last week for Greece to stop Bulgaria from moving eastwards to protect Croatia. See you later tonight.

Leo Balzac
Leo Balzac Day 1,871, 08:14

as succinct an analysis as is possible. Well done DaT

Vladimir Alexei
Vladimir Alexei Day 1,871, 09:31

I said you were not aware of the situation and you are now o7

Graf Sprat
Graf Sprat Day 1,871, 09:57

Looks like Fun is coming back to the game

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,871, 10:58

Why don't eCroatia and eBulgaria go back to their own original regions instead of bullying the ***** out of smaller countries? Because they'd have their asses kicked by their neighbours ofc. And rather than do that, they'd rather macho around the place in a pi**ing contest.
I'm surprised that anyone is surprised tbh.
This is the way both nations play the game, and always have. Rly, nothing new at all.
When smaller countries tell them to gtfo and stop pretending to be their allies and saviours, then we'd see what they're actually made of.
Sound bitter? Sure I am. Sick to death with both of them and their repeated BS. About time they had their butts kicked by anyone , really.
Good luck to eIndia.

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Day 1,871, 11:15

LOL @Vladimir Alexei: Dude, I have no real political ambitions. I have had the opportunity to run for CP before and choose not to, I don't care about titles, I care about community. Stop making weird false claims. As far as asking the government, I have no interest in speaking with you, I spoke to your predecessor alector and to our CP. you are not the only person in government. As for fighting for CoT, I am not sure how much more clear I can be, I have openly published that i will fight against CoT, they are not fighting for us anyways. However they are working to wipe some of our oldest allies form the map, so yes I am fighting to preserve what you are destroying.

In the future avoid threats, it just makes you seem weak and petty.

Wildrunner
Wildrunner Day 1,871, 14:24

Grainne Ni Mihaille, what have you been smoking? We're actually fighting with our neighbours Greece and Turkey, strongest countries from the opposite alliance.

We were in S. America again to fight against the strongest country there who was opressing our weaker allies in the region.

What a lot a crap, but I'm not surprised anymore. Once a liar, always a liar.

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,871, 14:30

Wildrunner, my smoking habits are none of your concern, although you may be in search of a tranquiliser - eGod knows you need it :]
As I have posted on 3 separate articles today, your OWN lies are in question.
I have stated that eCroatia and eBulgaria have a dismal record of occupying smaller countries as they have lost the battle for national sovereignty in their own regions. Why should the rest of us small-nation dwellers have to put up with your aggression and bullying? Why don't you turn your attentions to your own lands instead?
I've lied about nothing, so please refrain from such accusations. I'd remind you that I am currently resident in eBulgarian-occupied Cyprus, and I've recently left eCroat controlled Ireland.
You can justify your activity any way you like, but it won't change the facts.

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Day 1,871, 15:10

Interesting. I'd always known Croatia and Serbia were different sides of the same coin, similar to Argentina and Chile. Both are aggressive. Both are bullies. Both are loyal to their allies. (except in this case. lol) I had never thought about Bulgaria like that until you said something Grainne, I suppose because of all the Bulg-love in ireland. Nonetheless, they earned some cool points from me for jumping to help india the second Croatia betrayed them. That's ballsy and I respect it.

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,871, 15:27

It's not ballsy, Raven, it's the usual modus operandi. eBulg can't wait for an eCroat misstep, so they can rush in as an "alternative". And vice versa. As usual.
Sides of the coin thing is interesting, and I guess that's what I meant. Assuming eBulg are a better option than eCroatia is a big mistake. Same plan, different flag.

Wildrunner
Wildrunner Day 1,871, 16:25

Again you continue with your incredible bullshit. Just open a map and check that our own lands are actually fine. This is my last reply to you, I see it's just a waste of time, when you don't have any arguments you just throw some bullshit into the wind hoping to make some discussion.

NueveOcho
NueveOcho Day 1,872, 00:33

Keep chain shouting until LOLper finds this out

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/backstabber-science-2nd-edition--2187322/1/20

Cryatian backstabbing Science

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,872, 04:03

I only WISH you would stop stalking me in comments Wildrunner. That'd be VERY nice.
I've no interest in having any discussion with you, in fact I'd hope to never have to see your little eFace again.
Nit-picking through my comments to find an excuse is your only option, huh?
Ok, so let me separate eBulg from eCroat to make it easier for you this time, You are currently occupying my nation of eCyprus. Your current CP has "promised us a PERMAWIPE" despite having made an agreement after you invaded.
Calling my integrity into question doesn't help validate your moves, mate. Especially as there are many people here that I know well. You shouldn't assume everyone is an idiot and will believe your propaganda.

Wildrunner
Wildrunner Day 1,872, 04:11

We are actually free to invade you anytime we want, you're an enemy country and we owe you nothing. Just because of old friendships our goverment signed that agreement with you to which we complied fully by returning all of your regions and all. After that things changed so not only our goverment but whole Bulgaria wont ever make any kind of agreements with Cyprus or other inci left overs.

Wildrunner
Wildrunner Day 1,872, 04:14

I don't care if you separate Croatia from Bulgaria but none of what you have written is true and because you're apparently a little slow i'll go point by point:
"Why don't eCroatia and eBulgaria go back to their own original "
- Bulgaria has it's original regions intact, all you really need to do is just open a map before you write nonsense
"Because they'd have their asses kicked by their neighbours ofc."
- Bulgaria is fighting with TWO of it's neighbouring countries, again all you need to do is open a map and see which countries are Bulgaria's neighbours

Wildrunner
Wildrunner Day 1,872, 04:18

"When smaller countries tell them to gtfo and stop pretending to be their allies and saviours"
Cyprus is not a friendly or an allied country. A gesture was made to Cyprus because of old friendships with some people from our goverment, apparently some people mistake kindness for weakness, you wont be the first and certainly wont be the last to do it. What matters is that same thing wont happen again.

And finally you comparing yourselves to India is nothing but an insult for India.

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,872, 06:37

I'm really starting to worry about your mental health now.

So the summary is
"we'll do what we like to unimportant smaller nations, and we'll be rude whilst we're at it?"
"We'll make deals then renege as we wish" ?

yeah mate, that's kinda what I'm saying. Thanks for laying it out for all to see.

 
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