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Citizenship brainstorming session
Dear citizens,
We would like to announce that our team will soon begin developing the highly requested citizenship module. Currently, eRepublik citizens are free to move to any country and participate in the political life of that country. Also, there is nothing binding a citizen to his or herits real life country, nor to a New World country. This means that smaller nations can easily become a minority on the political stage of their very own country. Adding the module is a great idea in theory, but it brings up a few questions: Should this module remove the overwhelming advantage of large nations over smaller ones, or should it provide certain tools that allow small communities to put up a fight against large groups of oppressors? Should it also provide citizens with a sense of nationality?
It can probably be useful to remember the controversy started by the first political takeovers that took place in eRepublik, in which highly organized groups of citizens, led by experienced leaders, would travel to smaller countries and gain control over them by winning the elections. Some citizens claimed that these were shameful and cowardly tactics, while others saw them as intriguing new possibilities offered by the game mechanics. The key word of the debate was “fairness,” as it was argued that it was not fair for a group of “mercenaries” to take away a nation’s right to rule their own country. It should also be considered how much of this talk was propaganda, and how much was real concern toward the lack of defense of small nations against larger ones.
Scientists have carefully analyzed the issues that could be solved by the citizenship module. They have also considered what other improvements the citizenship module could bring to the game, and how to achieve this without creating other potential problems in the game mechanics.
The beginning session of the actual module development should consist of: setting up the final details and implementation plan, making the design changes that will be visible from the front end of the website, start coding the module, testing it, and integrating everything in eRepublik. But before scientists start working on this and creating the technical specs, we are interested to hear how you think the citizenship module should work. We don't want to influence your opinions, so we are not going to release all the details discussed in the internal brainstorming sessions. However we can say that it is nothing close to being as simple as one of the suggested solutions: Require a citizen to live in a country for a predefined number of days before an election, in order to be able to vote in the elections.
You can be as creative as you wish, as the most important aspect of this module is its potential for improving the game, and not how easy it is to implement. If you would like to join the brainstorming session regarding the citizenship module, visit this forum topic.
Jammu and Kashmir changes original owner
Based on the feedback of a citizen, we have analyzed the status of Jammu and Kashmir and reached the conclusion that this eRepublik region should belong to India. This country will become the original owner of Jammu and Kashmir starting tomorrow, 0:00 eRepublik time. The current original owner of this region is Pakistan, but it is currently occupied by China. This will not modify the current owner of the region, only the original owner, and will give Indians the option of starting a resistance war in Jammu and Kashmir.
Regards,
The eRepublik Team
We would like to announce that our team will soon begin developing the highly requested citizenship module. Currently, eRepublik citizens are free to move to any country and participate in the political life of that country. Also, there is nothing binding a citizen to his or herits real life country, nor to a New World country. This means that smaller nations can easily become a minority on the political stage of their very own country. Adding the module is a great idea in theory, but it brings up a few questions: Should this module remove the overwhelming advantage of large nations over smaller ones, or should it provide certain tools that allow small communities to put up a fight against large groups of oppressors? Should it also provide citizens with a sense of nationality?
It can probably be useful to remember the controversy started by the first political takeovers that took place in eRepublik, in which highly organized groups of citizens, led by experienced leaders, would travel to smaller countries and gain control over them by winning the elections. Some citizens claimed that these were shameful and cowardly tactics, while others saw them as intriguing new possibilities offered by the game mechanics. The key word of the debate was “fairness,” as it was argued that it was not fair for a group of “mercenaries” to take away a nation’s right to rule their own country. It should also be considered how much of this talk was propaganda, and how much was real concern toward the lack of defense of small nations against larger ones.
Scientists have carefully analyzed the issues that could be solved by the citizenship module. They have also considered what other improvements the citizenship module could bring to the game, and how to achieve this without creating other potential problems in the game mechanics.
The beginning session of the actual module development should consist of: setting up the final details and implementation plan, making the design changes that will be visible from the front end of the website, start coding the module, testing it, and integrating everything in eRepublik. But before scientists start working on this and creating the technical specs, we are interested to hear how you think the citizenship module should work. We don't want to influence your opinions, so we are not going to release all the details discussed in the internal brainstorming sessions. However we can say that it is nothing close to being as simple as one of the suggested solutions: Require a citizen to live in a country for a predefined number of days before an election, in order to be able to vote in the elections.
You can be as creative as you wish, as the most important aspect of this module is its potential for improving the game, and not how easy it is to implement. If you would like to join the brainstorming session regarding the citizenship module, visit this forum topic.
Jammu and Kashmir changes original owner
Based on the feedback of a citizen, we have analyzed the status of Jammu and Kashmir and reached the conclusion that this eRepublik region should belong to India. This country will become the original owner of Jammu and Kashmir starting tomorrow, 0:00 eRepublik time. The current original owner of this region is Pakistan, but it is currently occupied by China. This will not modify the current owner of the region, only the original owner, and will give Indians the option of starting a resistance war in Jammu and Kashmir.
Regards,
The eRepublik Team
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nice
FOR SWITZERLAND
About time!
I lol'd
I love it!
voted
At LAST!!! Yeeijj!!!
not good idea for me what if i'm from bolivia if i want to live at eukranie and participate in politics and social life at eukranie if the "module" ask me about things about ukranie i dont know anything.
good
bravissimo!!!
good
Yay!
About time indeed.
5 days block of voting after moving should be enough
Citizenship, at last! And great work about J&K!
I think that a person should accumlate citizenship as they stay in a country and then progressively lose it as they stay in another country (but gain points in their new country as well.) Countries will have set requirements for how much citizenship (points?) are required for different positions, and parties may require certain amounts before people can run on their ticket (preventing party hijacking.)
Finally... It was high time.
However I would argue with the mechanics of the citizenship issue. Automatically becoming citizens in a country will not in fact make PTOs impossible, just harder. Based on real life experiences I would implement a kind of screening mechanism, which enables the actual government of the country to decide whether they want to grant citizenship or not to a certain person.
This could be implemented by using some kind of visa simulation. Ergo: citizens traveling to foreign countries need an entry permit to the country of destination, which the government of the destination country may or may not grant. (Obviously nations could sign visa-free agreements -- as RL Schengen -- which would clear the visa issue between the signers.)
After the visa being granted, the automatism would remain: after a specific amount of days, the character would automatically become citizen.
The other solution (without visas) would let travel remain free, but would give the right to the government to refuse citizenship requests.
As IRL, countries MUST have some kind of say in who becomes their citizen, and who doesn't. Otherwise PTOs would still be possible, even if it took more time to achieve...
Hope you appreciate the suggestion!
eAlbania and eMadagaskar?
good idea to involve us!
Well done, voted
solve the real problems first (bugs, exploit and communication with players ). then you can implement citizenship. begin with the beginning , not with the end. QED !
period of residency would suffice for citizenship, for me.
so what about Kosovo?
Citizenship!! Woho!!
One small thing though... if the only reason for implementing it is to make TO harder (a strong reason indeed) it's not enough. Create a passport. Make the "staying" in a country timebased without loosing the prior nationality until granted the next. Allow voting in your country from abroad. And give us history on our profile... we are completely impossible to track and that's not fun.
@KeYYeK - that's a new idea!
@Galantai - take overs should not be impossible, but the people in the country should be able to fight against them. We appreciate.
My idea:
I think if someone register somewhere he receive automatically the citizenship of that country.
the user can travel anywhere live there and work there.
If the user what to receive the citizenship of a country he/she should pay a certain amount which can be setup by the congress. This money goes to the government.
If the user pays this amount then he/she should live there continously for some days which could be also managed by law.
@Meiko - people should be able to vote from abroad. The passport might be an interesting concept that would include the places that you visited (history).
good luck... hope its not just a lie...
THANK YOU!
Nice
And try to give each country as much autonomy as possible so we don't end up being simple copies of eachother. Duosduzpl's idea isn't bad.
Hmm. Interesting.
Also, you people really should learn to use UN, ISO and EU approved English to make sure it adheres to standards. That is British English with ize. British English Oxford Edition.
@Meiko - that's another thing. Our goal on the politics system is that each country will choose their own constinution (who decides what and who has the power). It is in our plan.
Good Idea!!!
1/2 of jammu kashmir is Pakistan,1/2 is India
jupi !
takeover xd
Admins! Start to answer on appeals for unfair bans!
first solve the bugs. then citizenship
"will soon begin"?? BEGIN??
ahhh so like citizenship, sounds fantastic how many years is it in RL? Make it that many in months
What its mean soon?Not voted
@Celtic Bank:
I think I will write in whatever language I prefer, thank you very much:) Nobody (except maybe hardcore linguists) speak a language correctly in its entirety. So I think it's rather hypocritical to reprimand people for this...
80-90% of Brits don't even know to speak their language absolutely correctly, what do you expect from foreigners? Seriously man... you should get another hobby:)
I like the ideas of governments being able to extend citizenship to those they are happy to allow within their borders and those they aren't. Practically this couldn't be done on a character by character basis, so governments would instead have an option to ban certain nationalities from travelling to inside their own borders.
In order to work this would have to be coupled with the idea of an "original nationality" otherwise players could merely hop to a neutral country before continuing to their destination.
You would also of course then need to put in place a method for changing base nationality - I would suggest you are provided with an option to register as a citizen once you have lived there a full month - or have to pay a fee - maybe as much as 5g so it couldn't be done on a whim on a mass scale.
Great!At last!
Nothing about the money market exploits or the weapon exploits or the gold exploits ?
Best possible option considering simplicity/code to add :
(-1-) A certain number of days (N) AFTER a citizen moves to a country, he gets[/b] the citizenship of that country. Citizenship will be an atribute held as all other profile variables (like wellness) and should be cumulative (eg one player can hold more than one citizenships).
(-2-) Not having citizenship, a player can do the following:
(*) Be hired/Hire
(*) Buy from the market
(*) Start a company
(*) Fight
(*) Use hospital
When gaining citizenship, in addition to the above, a player will be able to:
(*) Join a party
(*) Candidate for congressman/president
(*) Vote in all elections
(-3-) The number of days (N) required for citizenship should be decided by each country, through a law (not different than tax laws), between certain thresholds (eg 7-90 days) and a default of 30 days (if no such law has been voted yet), thus, each party would also be able to come up with a political platform that contains immigration policies, significantly adding more depth to the political arena.
Upon losing the province in which you reside, you do not lose the citizenship. Situation is identical to (-1-).
Two birds with one stone. And it's the simplest possible solution. And the most RL like, which eRepublik boasts as wanting to replicate (second life).
(*)Optional: The ability of a country to disallow multiple citizenships, forcing you to give up your previous citizenship upon getting a new one, something done automatically.
Now u put this on ... maybe people will forget about bugs and exploits. This is like " look, we work to make the game better". You should first fix all those bugs and exploits and then implement something new. If u put something good over something rotten, the whole will be rotten too
PS: signed, empyrion_martyr
"Scientists have carefully analyzed the issues"
Lol...its a game...not rocket science
i think there should be some type of visa, green card, and a citizen must be in the country for a month to become citizen, also you should put different trade deals with different countries, ex if greece want to trade with roumania, greece can change the import tax for roumania but not the other countries, like in real life.
Kosovo is recognized part of Serbia by United Nations, so give that region to its original owner, Serbia!
To change citizenship one should:
- pay 2 gold
- wait for 10 days.
After that, one should be able to vote in his domain country regardless of how much time he is there. (He should just come there for voting.)
This is more ralistic than waiting for 10 days before voting in your own country, because travellers wouldn't be able to vote at all. This should adveresely affect event dynamics; e-world is lacking on interesting events anyhow.
As you know, if you simply say that someone has to be in-country 10 days prior to an election, they will simply move there sooner. It does not prevent them from moving, it simply pushes back the date further to be effective. This might deter some, but not those most serious about such PTOs.
As an alternative solution, you can only allow a citizen to vote, in any election, in the country they were in during the previous election. In this way, you can never vote in one country one month and another the following month. Does this mean you can't move around between elections? No. You simply choose a voting location and stick with it. What if you want to change your voting location? No problem, but there is a one election "probation" in which you're unable to vote in your new location. If you live in America now, for instance, and you want to be able to vote in Canada. That is fine and you can do that. But, you will have to move to Canada and be present during an election while not being able to vote. When the next month's election rolls around, you are now eligible to vote in Canada. Choose wisely, however, since you are now only eligible to vote in Canada and nowhere else, including America where you could vote previously.
This would hold for all elections, and a citizen *could* have 3 different voting locations, one for each of the 3 election types. Each type would need to know the location of the citizen during the previous election of that type.
I'm sorry... but why is it your intention to keep up TOs as an option?
It is clearly condemned by much of the eWorld... and it has nothing to do with RL.
I don't see of what other use would citizenship be, if not to solve the small population vs. large population dichotomy (apart from individual tracking)...
Please consider giving a say in the citizenship issue to host nations. It is the only way to avoid turning elections into looting races for small defenseless nations...
I think they want to deflect attention from bigger issues...
so predictable...
@Galantai - People in RL migrated in foreign lands and then created parties. Sure that not at this extend.
Great news personally I would like to see a one month period inwhich you can become a citizen but you should always be a citizen of the country you were "born" in.
(!) Let's carefully analyze why TO's do NOT happen in RL, even though, there still is this small/large population dichotomy, and then we'll realise what to do with erep.
The following from RL:
(*) First of all, a ticket in RL is way more expensive compared to one's salary. In eRep, a veteran can buy up to 5-6 moving tickets per day. Unacceptable. Raise the cost of extracting oil, and raise the amount of oil required for one ticket. If this means that one ticket is going to cost 3-10 gold, fine by me. If this also means military help will be excrushiatingly expensive. So be it. RL-like. Wars in RL cost fortunes. Look at Irak!
(*) Citizenship laws are tough, require you (each country has different legislation) to speak the language, know the history.. etc etc, but almost ALL of them require you to be a resident of that country for a period of time...
(*) Most RL countries allow the cumulation of citizenships, even allowing you TO VOTE for each citizenship you own, REGARDLESS of your current place of residence! If I am a romanian and american citizen, I can vote for Obama, and Basescu, even if I live in the US right now.
(*) Some RL countries DISALLOW multiple citizenships. Ukraine does this. Moldova allows congressmen (parliamentaries) to hold only the Moldovan citizenship.
PS: Most of all, RL countries give citizenships after long periods of residence inside the country. Doing this in erepublik(1) (ex 2 months or so), after raising the cost of moving tickets(2) are 2 measures that are RL-like and would build upon the RL experience. RL TO's hardly happen, if at all.
What will you do with the bug on the monetary market? I bought some gold but I haven't received it. What is going on?
alelluia. an article to vote for.
don't forget to update the eMap - algarve, portugal, isn't under spanish domination
The new citizenship module will give back us the political debate? Will give back the autonomy?
NaCl u2
YES!
But lol.
You will begin on this mudule now.
And we suggested this MONTHS ago.
Citizenshippppppp!!! Good news.
Focus on what's important. Right now erepublik is dead, there are many other problems, bigger than citizenship.
NO!!
If anything like before or after voting you can't move to any other was activated then people will come before the voting and go after the process so make it either something that noone can come or everyone can come and vote
Yep, it does seem a suddenly thrown in idea that is sufficiently exciting so that it can take the community's attention from the damned serious bugs/exploits and the subsequent (unfair) bans, while at the same time saying nothing and promising even less.
in real life for you to vote in roumania you have to move there, do you want to pay 10 gold to go vote, that is nonsence you cant increase moving tickets to 10 gold, i think you should pay 2 gold to become citizen and can only have one citzenship, and you should be in that country for a period of time
@Admin:
First of all people migrated to foreign countries WHEN THEY WERE ALLOWED TO. Just what I said: first step, we need a visa system. Countries should be able to decide to whom they wish to grant entry. That's a basic...
Of course legal residents even IRL can become citizens after some time... But people don't just "migrate" to new countries and make parties... they need first a visa to go to a foreign country, and then they need citizenship to start a party. That's just common sense...
start embassy modular and any government set up embassy in other country and if person want to travel to foreign country must be accepted by that country's embassy
btw citizenship granted after 1 month of staying and keep the history seems the best option to me. fast and simple
As an additional suggestion for the citizenship module: countries should become able to ban ceartin persons/nationalities from entering.
"in real life for you to vote in roumania you have to move there"
Wrong!
I can vote from every city and country in this world that has voting locations for the romanian election!
And to me, moving tickets should cost more gold! The explanation was given above!
I would put this rule: You can live wherever you own a house. For example, if I buy a house in Brazil, i'm a brazillian citizen, if I buy another house in the USA for example, i can live in the USA and in Brazil, if a lot of people wish to move to a smaller country to TO them, they would have to buy houses there, and since such small countries don't have this kind of industry, they wouldn't be able to move there.
passport is a good idea and people having a visa to a country will not have the right to vote there and form parties and people of conquered regions should have citizenship of both countries and can stand for congress of the agressor.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VERY INTELIGENT DECISION!!!!!! WHEN ROMANIA IS TRYING TO DO A TO IN INDO, YOU'RE IMPLEMENTING CITIZENSHIP!!!!!!!! NICE!!!! YOU WAITED TILL ROMANIA LOST IT'S REGIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
"EREPUBLIK ROCKS!!!!!!!!!"
menuju TKP gaaann?
THANKS FOR RETUNING JAMMU AND KASHMIR TO INDIA , ITS ORIGINAL OWNER and please disclose the name of the person who made you change your mind.
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The real problem is:
THIS GAME IS FULL OF BUGS!
fair play... we play fair if everybody plays fair...
We citizens can't communicate with the admins.
Shaok's orgs banned because of "exploit". This is a problem...
Not the political takeovers.
There's a lot of political takeover IRL.
jeaaa, but first, you should remove all the bugs and fix everything, then you can start with these new ideas and programs
firilacroco he said: "our team will soon begin developing the highly requested citizenship ". They are working on that thing or at least in theory for 2 months at least. I wouldn't expect that thing implemented for at least 3 months ( please take into consideration that the summer is coming and that the developers are people too ). Regarding the Jammu and Kashmir situation that could have been avoided if you guys would have looked in a geography book or wikipedia. In this area you have many problems.
Voted!!! Jai Hind
Yay !
Admin, I think(believe) that we (users) can approve the citizenship with the visa and embassy system, but not the forgrounded solution.
I support Equality 7-2521's suggestion.
passport idea is awesome and maybe we should have ingame embassies besides the forums which provide visas
free for sato thai dragon tuput and wlodek ban for all peace cheaters
YOU HAVE NO HONOR !!!
Fascinating
i think you should make a system imitating the laws at present about immigrants like a bounding and such, it will keep balance and so on. >
@Daemonic Industries
you dont from any city,
there must be an embassy or counsel of roumania for you to vote.
and in real life it doesnt take someone a month to pay for a ticket.
and xp players(rich people in rl) who make more money can afford it in a day or so
there should be a visa or passport , dont know how exactly it will work but thats why you got the engeneers
I think it could be this way:
1. Citizen born, and choose a motherland.
2. Citizen get Age(XP) to Move.
3. Citizen get Age(XP) to Vote.
4. Citizen get Age(XP) to change Citizenship.
Then, he should get a HardWorker medal, working in that country. After that, he should have the option of pay a fee to the Treasure... then he has a Double Nationality... he may for now vote in that country, and run for elections. He will never lose a Nationality, he could have it in his inventory like a Green Card.
Very Starting countries should have a Free citizenship period...
Best Regards,
Vespasiano1981
what the hell
Couldn`t WSR and Podolia belong to eRomania from tomorrow too?
Suggesting citizenship is needed to just vote in the election is stupid imo. In the past i've moved to vote against a PTO last minute as it was only just released one was being attempted.
Say 'mercenary group A' gain citizenship in order to PTO a country. 'Down with PTO's Group B' are informed the day before the election and with this potential new rule in place, cannot do anything to try to help stop it.
Basically, implementing modules to prevent something from happening more often than not produce another unintentional problem that needs another module implemented to correct the mess made from the first one.
Thank god!
AWESOME!
@Daemonic Industries
"you dont from any city,
there must be an embassy or counsel of roumania for you to vote.
and in real life it doesnt take someone a month to pay for a ticket.
and xp players(rich people in rl) who make more money can afford it in a day or so..."
I was talking about how it would be best to implement such features ingame. I doubt the admins would like to add embassies and counsels to overcomplicate the code. Being able to vote from anywhere is the closest to RL possible, with the lowest amoung of code to add (and lowest amount of bugs!)
...Rich people... In a day or so...
Before Podolia and WSR, rich people in Romania, with an income in the top 5% could buy sometimes 6 tickets in a day (if they were lucky!). That does not go well with the "in a day or so" you said.
Moving tickets are too affordable right now. Raising their cost would also make younger peoeple have to wait more to travel, traveling would be something desired, not always possible, and TO's using young clones would be easier to avoid...
first solve the bugs. then citizenship
To me... a basic concept is missing.
I registered in eSouthAfrica. Should I move to another country for war, economics, whatever... I should be labelled an eSouthAfrican expatriate. In that way, anyone dealing with me would know where I'm from, etc.
If I then apply (for example, like in the late 1800s) for citizenship in my "new" country, I'd have to pass the local laws governing new citizenship. My beliefs are that it would cut down on spies easily infiltrating small governments of virtue.
Late 1800s refer to when the Kruger administration of the Republic of Transvaal required more and more years of residency in said country before allowing citizenship, through passing new legislation.
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