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Canada is down! Spain and Switzerland next? Turkey attacks Greece!
Update day 626 - 8:50 eRep time
France attacked Spain . It seems that the high iron region of Fortis and Eden is at risk!
Hungary attacked Switzerland activating 11 of their Alliances. Not a fair fight. Switzerland would need more MPPs.
Bonus: Turkey is declearing war with Greece
If you missed yesterday the battle for Ontario check the movie about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0lVxyO93J4. On a brighter note see why Canada has fallen
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Update day 626 - 01:30 eRep time - Read the message of the Supreme Commander of PEACE to the Theocrats: Thank you to the Theocratic Party from PEACE . This should make some things more clear!
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This is my private opinion. Before you start screaming that this is PEACE propaganda I would like to let you know, once again, that I do not hold, I have never held any position inside PEACE.
Another fact that I would like to settle is that PEACE is imperialistic right now. PEACE countries have been oppressed enough in the past, but things have changed and they have become oppressors. In the future the tide will change, but now let’s focus on the present.
Citizenship
While PEACE was so successful doing PTOs everybody was screaming that citizenship is necessary. Now citizenship is working for PEACE again. Citizens of conquered countries have no chance to disrupt internally the countries that conquered them. Canadians can apply for French, UK, Iranian and Hungarian citizenship but these countries can just freeze citizenship so the conquered nations will never have a voice in political life. This way opressors will benefit from the greater population, bigger production and increased tax income generated by companies and citizen from conquered countries, while opressed people have no rights.
Canada
PEACE wanted to take out Canada from the war a long time ago. The first attempt to do this was the Hungarian PTO. The sole purpose of it was to get the majority in Congress and pass sign a peace treaty with France so the war would close and all MPP’s of Canada close. This way they could have kept a few regions. The second attempt to end the war was a peace treaty that required Canada not to fight for 3 months against PEACE and would have allowed Canada to keep a few regions, but they have rejected it. The final solution was the obliteration of Canada. This happens today in Ontario. After today there is going to be no Canada. The fall of Ontario will close the all open wars of Canada and deactivate their active Alliances. This means that when Canada will reappear on the map, they are going to have all signed Alliances but they are not going to be active, so they will fight on their own to get all regions back. Maybe Canada will not fall today, but it is not "if Canada falls" but rather "when Canada falls".
What comes next
The fall of Canada will take out from the North American War one more country – Hungary. As Hungary cannot fight against the USA, their damage, around 600.000 a day will be lost, so the USA and its allies can get the upper hand against Indonesia, Russia and Portugal. There are 2 options right now.
1. Hungary attacks USA. I do not believe this is a likely scenario as it would endanger the regions Hungary took from Canada. In a counter offensive USA could take those regions having all MPP’s activated against Hungary.
2. PEACE will attack another country which has an MPP opened against Hungary. I talk here about Norway and Spain. The main advantage that this action can be financed from the tax income generated by conquered countries and that it would take out more allies of the USA.
Norway
Norway has 6 regions and 443 inhabitants. The total cost of the operation would be 411 GOLD. Around the tax income of Hungary for one day. The war is already opened through Russia. Norway has no real military power but would establish a strong foothold for PEACE in Northern Europe and would get access to Sweden. The battles would drain serious damage for USA allies in this direction. Probably Sweden will focus only on this front.
Spain
This is a much bigger and much more interesting target. France has 10 activated MPP’s against Spain, including Hungary. An attack against Spain will divert the most damage from the USA, as around 80% of Eden and Fortis iron is produces in Asturia, Spain. The loss of that region could deliver a deadly blow for all anti-PEACE efforts. This would be a hard fought battle as Spain has a huge GOLD reserve, which exceeds 15.000 GOLD, so a victory against Spain would be even harder then a victory against the USA. Imagine battles fought in the same time in New Jersey and Asturias. Which region would Fortis and Eden protect.
Switzerland
They could block France in an attack against Spain, so before an attack on Spain, France must conquer Switzerland. The cost of this operation would be very low, as it would cost only 344 GOLD to attack all regions held by Switzerland. This would enrage Theocrats, but things are out of control already.
Croatia
After Norway, Switzerland and Asturias (even if not the entire Spain) I would go against Croatia. They must pay for what they did in Italy. I know you will accuse me that Hungary did the same to them, but we can argue for hours if the chicken or the egg was first. This all started when someone hit back. I bet that if the European front opened up Eden will focus less on the USA.
These battles could go one for the next two months. PEACE will have fun all that time. After that for a couple of more months resistance wars will rage all over the globe This will allow PEACE to train without wasting money, and when all these countries will reemerge, PEACE will have enough money to start from the beginning.
Maybe the tide will change. Maybe, I would say probably PEACE, including Indonesia and Hungary will be crushed by a new rising nation. But we focus on the present. Most of players leave the game after one year.
Come and join the dark side!
PEACE AT HOME!
PEACE IN THE WORLD!
France attacked Spain . It seems that the high iron region of Fortis and Eden is at risk!
Hungary attacked Switzerland activating 11 of their Alliances. Not a fair fight. Switzerland would need more MPPs.
Bonus: Turkey is declearing war with Greece
If you missed yesterday the battle for Ontario check the movie about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0lVxyO93J4. On a brighter note see why Canada has fallen
.................
Update day 626 - 01:30 eRep time - Read the message of the Supreme Commander of PEACE to the Theocrats: Thank you to the Theocratic Party from PEACE . This should make some things more clear!
....................
This is my private opinion. Before you start screaming that this is PEACE propaganda I would like to let you know, once again, that I do not hold, I have never held any position inside PEACE.
Another fact that I would like to settle is that PEACE is imperialistic right now. PEACE countries have been oppressed enough in the past, but things have changed and they have become oppressors. In the future the tide will change, but now let’s focus on the present.
Citizenship
While PEACE was so successful doing PTOs everybody was screaming that citizenship is necessary. Now citizenship is working for PEACE again. Citizens of conquered countries have no chance to disrupt internally the countries that conquered them. Canadians can apply for French, UK, Iranian and Hungarian citizenship but these countries can just freeze citizenship so the conquered nations will never have a voice in political life. This way opressors will benefit from the greater population, bigger production and increased tax income generated by companies and citizen from conquered countries, while opressed people have no rights.
Canada
PEACE wanted to take out Canada from the war a long time ago. The first attempt to do this was the Hungarian PTO. The sole purpose of it was to get the majority in Congress and pass sign a peace treaty with France so the war would close and all MPP’s of Canada close. This way they could have kept a few regions. The second attempt to end the war was a peace treaty that required Canada not to fight for 3 months against PEACE and would have allowed Canada to keep a few regions, but they have rejected it. The final solution was the obliteration of Canada. This happens today in Ontario. After today there is going to be no Canada. The fall of Ontario will close the all open wars of Canada and deactivate their active Alliances. This means that when Canada will reappear on the map, they are going to have all signed Alliances but they are not going to be active, so they will fight on their own to get all regions back. Maybe Canada will not fall today, but it is not "if Canada falls" but rather "when Canada falls".
What comes next
The fall of Canada will take out from the North American War one more country – Hungary. As Hungary cannot fight against the USA, their damage, around 600.000 a day will be lost, so the USA and its allies can get the upper hand against Indonesia, Russia and Portugal. There are 2 options right now.
1. Hungary attacks USA. I do not believe this is a likely scenario as it would endanger the regions Hungary took from Canada. In a counter offensive USA could take those regions having all MPP’s activated against Hungary.
2. PEACE will attack another country which has an MPP opened against Hungary. I talk here about Norway and Spain. The main advantage that this action can be financed from the tax income generated by conquered countries and that it would take out more allies of the USA.
Norway
Norway has 6 regions and 443 inhabitants. The total cost of the operation would be 411 GOLD. Around the tax income of Hungary for one day. The war is already opened through Russia. Norway has no real military power but would establish a strong foothold for PEACE in Northern Europe and would get access to Sweden. The battles would drain serious damage for USA allies in this direction. Probably Sweden will focus only on this front.
Spain
This is a much bigger and much more interesting target. France has 10 activated MPP’s against Spain, including Hungary. An attack against Spain will divert the most damage from the USA, as around 80% of Eden and Fortis iron is produces in Asturia, Spain. The loss of that region could deliver a deadly blow for all anti-PEACE efforts. This would be a hard fought battle as Spain has a huge GOLD reserve, which exceeds 15.000 GOLD, so a victory against Spain would be even harder then a victory against the USA. Imagine battles fought in the same time in New Jersey and Asturias. Which region would Fortis and Eden protect.
Switzerland
They could block France in an attack against Spain, so before an attack on Spain, France must conquer Switzerland. The cost of this operation would be very low, as it would cost only 344 GOLD to attack all regions held by Switzerland. This would enrage Theocrats, but things are out of control already.
Croatia
After Norway, Switzerland and Asturias (even if not the entire Spain) I would go against Croatia. They must pay for what they did in Italy. I know you will accuse me that Hungary did the same to them, but we can argue for hours if the chicken or the egg was first. This all started when someone hit back. I bet that if the European front opened up Eden will focus less on the USA.
These battles could go one for the next two months. PEACE will have fun all that time. After that for a couple of more months resistance wars will rage all over the globe This will allow PEACE to train without wasting money, and when all these countries will reemerge, PEACE will have enough money to start from the beginning.
Maybe the tide will change. Maybe, I would say probably PEACE, including Indonesia and Hungary will be crushed by a new rising nation. But we focus on the present. Most of players leave the game after one year.
Come and join the dark side!
PEACE AT HOME!
PEACE IN THE WORLD!
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Strange. As you say eItaly is a looser anyhow. .
"Another fact that I would like to settle is that PEACE is imperialistic right now....but things have changed and they have become oppressors."
Thanks for the clarification.
What's the size of the eHungarian gold reserve?
@Publius - I do not know exactly but would go for around 4000 GOLD, but a big part of that is put aside for economic purposes. For the war around 1200 GOLD right now.
Our taxes are much lower then in the USA. We did not PTO aour own people
Great article Zoli, as always!
@Publius: Wouldn't you like to know, eh?...
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nothing about Romania?!
With 5 hours to go the wall in Ontario stands at the middle +180.000. From this point one it is the same effort for Canada and its allies to secure it as it is for France and its allies to conquer it.
If Ontario will not fall today it will fall on the day when Florida and New Jersey gets attacked. It is just a question of time. To bad for them they did not accept to stay out of the war and keep at least a few regions.
@Smif - I would not dare attack you. Sincerelly. That would be the event that would turn the tide against PEACE. There are to many RL issues.
lol )
Common ..how much hipocrisy can you deliver .
Making the plan to conquer all the world and thinking about the poor guys which communities you have destroyed ? )
Peace =delivering distruction everywhere with feelings )
"To bad for them they did not accept to stay out of the war and keep at least a few regions."
We didn't accept that either back then. Look where that got us
@Smif: Romania is best punished by ignoring you. The imperialist mentality that eRomanians have is hurt by nothing more then being to reduced to a mere peasent on the chess table, while you were the king for so long. Of coures this is a private opinion only.
I think Romania made a huge mistake by activating mpps with the Ukraine. It can be clearly seen from the previous world war that Romania cannot defend itself against Hungary and Indonesia at the same time. And by activating the mpps of Ukraine, the situation is again the same...
Zoli, I wouldn't dare attack Romania with just Hungary either, but through the Ukrainian mpps we have a reasonable chance to conquer even original Romanian regions... of course we know which ones I'm talking about;)
@Galantai: Oltenia, Muntenia, Dobrogea, Moldova and Bucovina, right?
VERY NICE ARTICLE, VOTED
Haha, please come to Croatia, we are expecting you.
We really need a good reason to have another baby-boom.
And btw. you are the ones that should be punished for the TO in Italy.
If you had sent 50 voters to Italy this TO would have never happened.
@galantai, clawy - this is why I would not attack Romania. Beside the fact Romanians and Hungarians speak a different language the two nations are very alike. If Romania would lose even one original region it would rise to the top just as Hungary did when Romania took original regions from Hungary.
I remember that one year ago Hungary was ranked 22 and now is second. All thanks to the fact that Romania took original Hungarian regions.
That is a path I would avoid.
From what i understood from those wanting to attack Romania, we would be taking our original regions back
RL hate in a game is so stupid.
Zoli:
Every empire must fall if it is destined to fall... I think we should play the game as it is meant to be played. I would feel very stupid if I didn't even try to take back Erdély just for fear of a Romanian baby-boom. We will meet every obstacle as it rises:)
Besides, it would certainly make the game a lot more interesting:)
clawy: i agree!
Ignoring the romanians and not feeding their fears... this is the best approach against them
Galantai, be reasonable. What kind of an act of reparation do you think attacking Transilvania would be?
You will only spark RL hatred and attract more players in the game of the wrong kind, and lose sensible guys like me for adversaries
@Clawy That imperialistic way of thinking you mention can be encountered in your speech threefold. And getting valuable and intelligent players to drop the game just for the sake of revenge is lame, too bad you are thinking like that.
RL hate? But for what? clawy! Can you name the Countries, which decided the Fate of Hungary after the First WW? I'll help you, Romania was none of them, they just took the opportunity...
Too bad we have such a bad relationship with our neighbours RL
Galantai: u really have no ideea about what u r talking.
Please go&play elsewhere.
Mihu:
Come on, it was not a coincidence that Romania tried to destroy Hungary last year... It is a game, but is fueled by RL emotions for the most part.
Our babyboom was mostly founded on the cry that Romanians are taking over eHungary. And it worked. And I don't think that only extremists and shovinists joined eHungary. A lot of moderate people came to defend their country too. I'm sure the same would happen to Romania. We take Erdély, you have a babyboom, and the whole game just got more interesting:) Don't you think?
Otherwise what will happen? We just destroy Canada, then the US, then we take Spain, and every further conquest will just be that much easier... In the end PEACE wins, and what then?...
The game is much more interesting if you take risks:) Taking Erdély would be a great risk... but that is what this game is all about, taking risks and enjoying the game:)
@Czygler: i didn't mean specific country. Serbia-Hungary is in my eyes the symbol in this game that things can work diferently.
Serbia-Croatia, and some atitudes in Hungary-Romania and Poland-Germany are the negativ examples.
@Mihu Copilu: are we imperialistic? Yes we are, i will not deny that. I just said that if we really want to be evil, for some countries conquering them is not the solution. Ignoring them as long as you can is way better. Compare Romanian media and attitude now and in the period where you have important figths.
@Galantai
Trust me I know what kind of people I DON'T want to see playing this game. Do you read Romanian press? If you don't, maybe you should listen to the guys who do, like clawy, the Szekely Legion and so on...
They know very well that this is not an option...
PEACE AT HOME!
PEACE IN THE WORLD!
@Mihu Copilu: same goes for Hungarian media by the way. Why do you think we avoid such sites/newspapers?
Galantai don't confuse IRL issues with erep ones. In game terms, Erdély is useless.
If we start acting against game logic because of preconceptions brought with us from RL, we'll end up like the USA.
Mihu:
I have faith in people... There are extremists everywhere, but there will ALWAYS be more moderate people, than extremists. Of course we had some stupid nazis joining our country as well... but they will ALWAYS be overpowered by the moderate voices.
Stop mixing RL with eRep. Please, come to Romania if you dare. We have cookies!
Stupid worthless PEACE propaganda...
Jurily:
In game terms the whole of Hungary was useless... If RL had nothing to do this game than we would have fictive countries with made-up boundaries. Instead we have a RL world map with RL countries and RL nations. I believe the game is an alternative reality, where you can try to take risks and enjoy the excitement, without having to fear for your life. IRL wars are always costly, people die. Here you can wage wars as you please, and no one will get hurt.
IRL I wouldn't think about attacking Erdély... here no one gets hurt, so we should not be afraid to live out our fantasies:) This is after all what every game is about...
Weirdgus: What an original opinion! Don't you have any real thoughts?
"PEACE wanted to take out Canada from the war a long time ago. The first attempt to do this was the Hungarian PTO. The sole purpose of it was to get the majority in Congress and pass sign a peace treaty with France so the war would close and all MPP’s of Canada close. This way they could have kept a few regions. The second attempt to end the war was a peace treaty that required Canada not to fight for 3 months against PEACE and would have allowed Canada to keep a few regions, but they have rejected it. The final solution was the obliteration of Canada."
Oh, how nice of you! How good treat for the Canadians trying to put them aside! And you even tried three times, for their sick! This is trully friendly!
@Zoli: nu sunteti sus pentru ca Romania v-a luat 5 regiuni din 7, sunteti sus pentru ca ati fost ajutati de admini, admini care au oprit modulul de razboi cu 24 de ore inainte ca voi sa fiti cuceriti complet.
Inca o data... propaganda ieftina, dar ce sa astept de la un om care declara ca nu va lupta decat in razboaie de aparare, banuiesc ca si cucerirea Canadei e tot razboi de aparare.
esafrany I pity those like you that start to actually believe their own propaganda
Zoli, I am a newbie and I didn't get the time you switched parts, have you really promised that you will ONLY fight for Hungary in DEFENCE? I'm just curious to know how much I can trust your words. Please reply honestly, if you don't someone else will clarify this for me and you might not prefer this way.
Romanians:
When you try your best but you don't succeed
When you get what you want but not what you need
When you feel so tired but you can't sleep
Stuck in reverse
When the tears come streaming down your face
When you lose something you can't replace
When you love someone but it goes to waste
Could it be worse?
Lights will guide to home
And ignite to bones
And I will try to fix you
And high up above or down below
When you're too in love to let it go
If you never try then you'll never know
Just what you're worth
Lights will guide to home
And ignite to bones
And I will try to fix you
Tears stream down your face
When you lose something you cannot replace
Tears stream down your face
And I...
Tears stream down your face
I promise you that I'll learn from my mistakes
Tears stream down your face
And I...
Lights will guide to home
And ignite to bones
And I will try to fix you
Thank you, gonzo23, I really like the song "Fix you" by Coldplay too!
Yay, nice song
@ Clawy
You are right, that's why I advocated the last Podolia adventure. Maybe we should encourage Galantai instead of telling him the truth.
@ Galantai
I remember you telling me once that RL Transivania is very important to you. Attacking it in a web based game will not make you feel better. "IRL I wouldn't think about attacking Erdély... here no one gets hurt," well, people's feeling and sensibilities will surely do.
Da ronina , asta a zis . El a zis multe la eviata lui , cam inconsecvent mosu . Poti sa cauti prin articolele lui mai vechi ca sa te convingi . In rest e baiat de treaba , cred
@gonzo23
A eRoménia merece que lhe dediques uma música menos emo.
lets Destroy Crotia First
Mihu:
Of course, Erdély is very important to all Hungarians... IRL we got screwed. Here we can try to make up for it, and again: no one gets hurt. Obviously some people's feelings might, but it is a game, the loser obviously does not feel very good about losing:)
Conquering Canada makes me feel good too, that is why I play. But Erdély is a whole different level...
There will always be rivalry between Hungary and Romania in everything, because of our RL issues. But as long as people realize that this is just a game (just like sports) and don't hate their adversaries, it can be fun for everyone:) Obviously less fun for those who lose, but we have seen in this past year that the tide can turn very quickly... so each of us will have their share of good times and bad equally:)
@Ronina - I did not say I will fight only on the defender side. When I left eRomania for eHungary I said I will fight for them as original eHungarian regions where under occupation and specidied I will come back to eRomania to help them if original eRomanian territories are under attack.
I never said I will fight in every war for the defenders of original lands.
I've said if original eRomanian or eHungarian regions will be under attack I'll fight to defende those regions.
@Galantai
Talking about RL, you didn't get screwed at all. Otherwise you wouldn't have so many Hungarian players from Romania gladly fighting for the Red, White and Green banner. And trust me, they don't do that because they want to get back to us for being oppressed (which they aren't) or marginalized, but because they feel proud being Hungarian nationals.
Try not to hold this grudge on people nowadays for things that happened almost 100 years ago.
Mihu:
I'm not holding a grudge... I don't really have anything against Romanians, I don't hate them or anything.
For us 100 years are nothing... Our country has been standing for 1009 years now, 90 years from that is really nothing:)
But I wonder: for how long would you hold your grudge if 2/3 of Romania would be taken away? I know you as good patriots, so I would expect for you to feel bad about that for at least 100 years too...
That is a problem with regions of mixed population. Erdély (or Ardeal to you) is just as important for us Hungarians, as it is for you. Those in power should respect the others' feelings, so that the other side will respect theirs when they are in power. We Hungarians failed on some level to do that before 1920, and Romanians failed to do that after 1920...
We are all in Europe now, we should find a way to resolve these issues between us, so that Romanians and Hungarians can both feel comfortable in their homeland, Erdély (or Ardeal).
Weirdgus@ I don't.
I feel good living in RL in Erdely = Ardeal!
Zoli , nu o mai intoarce acum . Inainte pozai in mesagerul pacii , erai impotriva imperiilor . Acum ai ajuns si tu un umil soldat al puterilor imperialiste . Stiu ca esti bun la propaganda , dar gargara asta ieftina cu am zis , zic , voi zice nu merge la toti . In toti zace cite un mic Marco Polo chiar daca nu recunoastem . Restul e gargara ieftina , ca doar esti roman si tu chiar daca nu vrei sa recunosti . Apropo , cind bem berea aia prin Cluj ?
Galantai...
Well it depends how you look at it.
You say your country stand 1009 and you hold the grudge for 90 years.
This way we may say that in a form or the other our country stand here for over 2000 years and we hold the grudge for 1000...
And like you said, we failed to respect you after 1920, but even so you have schools in your own language here, you are represented in the Parlament, your language is used in public institusions, and lots more. Also the EU is not saying anything bad about the way your people are treated here so I guess it's prof enough. You know modern times...
While on the other hand the history is filed with crimes and almost slavery while you were the masters. I don't really blame you for those. You know medieval times...
Don't get me wrong I consider my self a moderate, my mom is Hungarian and my dad was Romanian so I can understand both sides, but in the end I live in Romania and I'm citizen of this country so I'll take it's side no matter what.
If some one considers that his long lost heritage is more important than his own country, that after all paid for his medical care, school etc... than maybe you should tell him about all that we are in Europe now bla bla... we all know who I'm talking about.
OD
@Zyklon666B si @Zoli
sau pot sa i-o zic si eu la o bere ca tot pe aici vietuiesc
@Galantai
You may probably know that we had a sizable part of our territory taken away by the former USSR. Some of it is now independent, but the citizen were so denationalized that they are afraid to call themselves Romanians now. The other part is in Ukraine now and the remaining Romanians there can barely study it in schools or even print a newspaper.
At least your fellow nationals are UE citizens now and are able to speak their language only and not Romanian if they feel like it (and some do).
Mihu:
I'm not saying that it is impossible to live in Romania as Hungarians... it is much better than the examples you have mentioned. But some feel that it is still not enough, because it the EU it is done differently (like Süd-Tirol, or Catalonia, or Aland).
Ochiul:
You are right, as I told you before: we Hungarians too are at fault for what happened to us. But that doesn't easy the blame on Maniu, Antonescu, Ceaucescu and all the others who have been destroying Hungarians in Erdély ever since 1920...
I may remind you, that before 1920 Romanians also were in the Hungarian parliament, they also had schools and they also could use their language wherever and whenever they wanted... You give exactly the same rights to Hungarians now, as we did to Romanians in 1900. The problem is that 100 years have past since, and human rights have evolved in Europe... Now the standard for minority rights in Europe is territorial autonomy. That is what the Romanian political elite haven't learned to accept yet...
Again: I'm not saying Hungarians are oppressed in Romania. All I'm saying is that there is room for improvement... we are all trying to catch up to Western Europe, here's a way to catch up faster:)
"Before you start screaming that this is PEACE propaganda..."
then at the end
"Come and join the dark side!
PEACE AT HOME!
PEACE IN THE WORLD!"
Brother, you don't have to hold a position to propagandize something.
ok... I don't want to improve in the direction the bascs are improving in Spain with bombs... so I'll let you explain what you do understand by:
territorial autonomy
The subject so far was: is Transilvania a Romanian or a Hungarian region?
autonomy means for me none of the above.
So please feel free to explain what you really want.
If we take Transilvania as a hole, you don't get over 20-25% of the population as Hungarians.
So if you have 25% of the people asking for autonomy I don't see why should they be listen against the rest of 75%. Positive discrimination.
If you take the HarKov, the only region where the romanians maybe are in minority, that is under a quarter of Transilvania and most of the people there see them as Secui not really Hungarians. So again not really about our problem here.
still puzzles me....
@Galantai
I, and I know a lot of other Romanians too, am not against autonomy. Anyway the Szekler Land is already autonomous de facto. Until it will reach the "de jure" status we have a long way to go unfortunately.
The main reasons hindering this process are two:
1. Romanian politicians taking advantage of the nationalist views of a very large part of our populations to divert them from REAL problems like corruption, lack of infrastructure, etc by scaring them with the revisionist ghost for a few votes.
2. RMDSZ politicians who agitate the population for the same need for votes without really trying to do their best to develop and attract investments to the region.
hmm let it be Croatia as a first target,we rly need some encourage for our next baby boom
and pls if i can have 1 more wish...i'd like that Serbia will be the one who will conquer us,it would be wonderful
im not sure that they can do that,but im sure u'll do everything for your old friends from Croatia
I would like to ask you to start debating RL issues here. Up to now this was one of the most civilized discussion I have witnessed in-game on this topic, but if it will go off topic and will have a flamming tendency I'll erase my article and I would really hate to do that taking into account the normal discussion whe have witness up to know.
So I would like to ask all people who comment to stick to this article and eRepublik only. Let's leave RL out of it as much as we can.
@Ochiul:
You are right! I would not want to go the Basque way either... that is why there is a need for autonomy, so that unsatisfied people will not start blowing things up. I would like to remind you: in Finland there are 5,6% Swedes and the official languages of ALL of Finland are: Finnish and Swedish. This is the European way...
@Mihu:
Nothing to add there, I agree with both your points completely. Let us hope that the de iure autonomy will succeed as well, so this issue will not be used anymore to cover up real problems in Romania!
This is it for me, I will honor Zoli's request to stop discussing IRL issues, although I think we had a pretty decent discussion and I'm sure there's no flaming here:) Good day to you all!
Quote: Every empire must fall if it is destined to fall
no man, every empire falls sooner or later.....
Peace is the best. SRBIJA
c'mon Zoli... this is what this game really is: RL in a E shell.
After all, the big Baby Booms come right after the facts like this
And like you said, nobody started flamming here even if we are way off topic or if we stood by our opinions, I don't see any f words, kill, die, or any other retarded things like that.
to bad you sent Galanai away, I really wanted to understand what this autonomy stands for, viewed from the other side eyes.
Like Mihu said this is just a way to get to power for some .... politicians. I don't see any use for it for the common people but who am I to know...
And since I'm stubborn I'll just give my final reply to Galantai before I'm out of here as well.
Just like us, you have above 5% rroms or gypsies. Maybe we should both apply the same principle as Finland and use the rroman language as official language as well. Lead by example...
very interesting
Interesting.
But the main question for now I consider: what about Russia?
They're expected to be the upcoming superpower. What PEACE intends to do about that? Because in my opinion the rise of Russia is the problem not for EDEN or FORTIS, but in fact - for PEACE. Maybe they are PEACE member at the moment, but will it be the same in the future?
That intrigues me very much. PEACE destroyed Russia, stealing their resoruces, holding territories. I know them well (in reality) - they never forget. It could be very funny watching Indonesia and Hungary on their knees, I think
By the way, it's a bit hard for me to appraise your long-term prognosis, Zoli. What's bothering me in the moment is fact, that you seem to forget that people of the other side are also able to use their mind. Spain with its gold, Romania and Poland - there's lots of nations that prefer to attack rather than stay in permanent defence.
On the other hand, I'm total newbie in this game, so that my doubts could be also described as freshman's daydreams.
Szeine, maybe thats becouse you are too young to gather all the facts of the past, but this sentene is completely untrue:
"PEACE destroyed Russia, stealing their resoruces, holding territories."
Really? Mea culpa, so I made a mistake. Could you correct that for me in there, please?
Blame Canada for evrething is wrong in Ro and Hun
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYSYipouABI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYSYipouA[..]uABI</a>
What else can be said.
Szeine, you're correct. Maybe not utterly destroyed, but talk about having your balls in a vice.
There was no PEACE treaty!
Canada is not dead just yet! I hope you'll have to eat your words yet Zoli!
PEACE, stay at home!
PEACE, get the hell out of the New World!
Interesting.
Little bit pre-emptive there eh zoli?
Szeine, first Russia was TO'd by Romania, and completely wiped out by atlantis (Norway, Romania).
@zoli
USA also gets a lot of high iron supplied from Greece.Then again, an attack on Greece would demoralize PEACE as a alliance of defense, as Greece has so far not done anything wrong to PEACE.
lol
Oy, this is one epic war. I must say though, Ontario is going to hold today
Hey you kids, knock it off! Don't make me tell the Austrians and the Turks!
This is a thoughtful article and a fascinating discussion. What I find interesting about PEACE-friendly articles is they always stop either at PEACE world domination or being overthrown by some as-yet minor power. Never do even their most forthright and intelligent thinkers admit that what will bring down PEACE is internal divisions. Whether it is eHungary resenting eIndonesia or eRussia resenting both of them this, more than, say, a baby-boom of actual RL Chinese (assuming the site isn't blocked there), is more than likely going to be what ends the PEACE Imperium. Curious.
PEACE attempted to make us surrender.
PEACE failed.
PEACE attempted to destroy us.
PEACE failed.
PEACE attempted to PTO our Congress.
PEACE failed... twice.
When will you learn not to underestimate us, Zoli?
Keep preaching this doomsday prophecy against against us, and one day you just may be rebuked by the mouth of a donkey.
Signed,
eCanada.
At least you're willing to admit that PEACE no longer stands for what it was created and has become just like its enemies.
Whats the whole point of PEACE if you attack people. Shouldn't your guys philosiphy be Peace. I suggest you change your alliance name t osomething else, or simply stop attacking every ccountry you dont like.
Wow, you Romanians and Hungarians are almost like us Serbs and Croats....almost
I think it's important to remember that regardless of what happens here in Erepublik, that it will not affect anything in real life. Nobody's going to die and nobody's going to be hurt. It is just a game, after all.
In fact, that's why us eAmericans and eCanadians keep talking the way we do - we're really a very small proportion of the total population of the United States and Canada. So even if we lose here, even if our e-countries are completely wiped off of the map, it won't change anything in the real world.
Another point to consider is that Erepublik isn't really a very good game. My roommate, who played this game till about level 15 and then quit due to boredom, described it as a half-baked Facebook with a half-baked war game built in. While I don't necessarily agree with those words, it should point out why any attempts to humble us with our loss here are ultimately doomed.
There are enough flaws in this game that we can point to those as the reasons we're losing, rather than due to our own skill. In fact, that's one of the reasons I keep talking about wanting to bring the game into better balance - if I'm playing a game, and I'm losing, I want to lose cleanly, knowing that the other side was better and more skilled, rather than constantly suspecting that the other side took advantage of loopholes in the game to win.
Anyway, here's to hoping that the admins keep working to make this game better and more balanced.
Fight in CANADA the wars still on don't give up
Beautiful ;__;
Canada is NOT down. It can still be won. Ignore the Zoli propaganda.
Zoli dear, about your so-called non-PEACE propaganda in the beggining of the article - the phrase itself is PEACE propaganda, because you don't need a position inside PEACE, you are PEACE.
Looking forward for the things to come, they will be a challenge for everyone.
Thanks you gave us more information
I hope Hungary will reoccupy Transylvania soon (in RL too). This is one of the main reason, I'm playing this game.
nice opinion, voted ! @galgogyuri GO F Ur self !
hey, where can i see the updated world map ?
vote for the article, i dont know whats goin on with eHungary and eRomania
Shanti zoli Shanti
I think you're ignoring a very important point regarding the Real World, namely that americans registering for the game seeing that the entire US has been conquered would likely not register, after coming to the conclusion that the game is taken over by people from other countries and probably doesn't have many english speakers, for example.
What I got out of this article. PEACE = Galactic Empire of new world.
They will attack and conquer more countries until they run out of countries. At that point they will fight each other.
Hungary wants to conquer Romania out of RL hatred, and Indonesia want to conquer America because they can't do much IRL so they try real hard in a game.
- How You dare to write anything in USA news space ?
- You don't have any pride, honor ?
- I don't see any difference between PISS-scum and Germany in RL in WW2, PISS attack & conquer Canada, why ? Because of "peace" in the world ?
- With that kind no negotiations at all.
- Yes, we all others know, YOUR WAY is ONLY CORRECT way.
- Of course all others are evil and stupid beside PISS.
- Your way or no way.
PEACE propaganda !
he says he's not PEACE but he touts there party line...