Among Thieves
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by Lynari
It will be said that I am just looking for a reason to attack certain people; that’s their favorite defense. Am I to let disapproval stop me? Should this be gotten away with just because I am discouraged from it? No, this is absolutely unjust.
There has been discussion lately about a donation that was made by Metallon’s administration (presumably by either Metallon or Olorum, who are the only two who had access to the Austrian Central Bank) 9 days ago. Today, October 15th, 9 days ago is October 6th.
On October 6th, Rangeley was President.
This means the donation was made by Metallon’s administration while he wasn’t President, just before handing over the account to Rangeley the following day. A volunteer watched the donations list to see precisely when it was made. The days passed since the donation goes up between 2:59 and 3:05 a.m EST, midnight eRepublik time. There is a slim chance the donation was made during the last minute of his Presidency, but even then, it is a shady maneuver and one we shouldn’t have in government.
The greater likelihood is that the money was donated while he was not President. As far as I’m concerned, that money was stolen. Neither Metallon, who was at that point a citizen, nor Olorum, also a citizen, had the authority to withdraw such a large amount of money from a government account and just give it away as a gift. The only change Metallon asked for in the Constitution was one that addressed elected officials stealing from the nation, and now he has done just that. There is nothing to be done to rectify this issue, but the responsible party should be ashamed.
If you expect to be my friend, Metallon, if you’d like for people to not always be “complaining,” as you call it, you must treat Austria with more respect than this. You were the one who wanted to make sure something like this was illegal. What if after I lost to you I decided that some random organization deserved 250 of the people’s gold before I left? What would you have said?
“This isn’t justice,” most likely.
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Thiefmaxx
We will not stand for this injustice!!!
lets talk about when you took 70 gold of Austrian treasure to pay for mercs of hungary when u had stronger and better soldiers? 🙂
Jazar even if what you said was relevant, he was still president when the transaction was made right? Even so 250 gold makes 70 gold look very small, and Metallon was not even president!!! xD
metallon was president, or at least manager of that ORG until the moment he handle govt companies to rangeley, at least IRL people just become presidents after some formality.
also :3
metallon, matheusbauer requested to olorum and metallon this money long time ago, maybe both or one of them couldnt access it before daychange.
the gold is helping much of PEACEkeepers defending peace members, and we hope to defend austria if needed some day.
even if rangeley put us out of austrian army.
This is nothing like the 70 gold I gave to Kampec. Firstly, I was President. Secondly, it was 70, not 250. Thirdly, I announced I was doing it. And lastly, it was directly for an Austrian cause.
You stop being manager of the org the moment you stop being President. That's not even debatable. What's to stop a person from never handing over the ACB when they cease being President? There is no gray area. He was not President; he did not control the ACB.
Well... that scenario was one of my concerns. I repeatedly asked to regulate who exactly has access to the public organisations and how they are accountable. I know very well that this is a higly compex and unloved topic to regulate at all, furthermore in a constitution, but unfortunately it's one of the most basic and neccessary things. Not that a mere proclamation in the constitution would have changed anything in this situation (as opposed to a contract for example), but something should be done.
The main hypocrisy is of course how the previous administration always whined about how poor Austria was and bragged about how they increased the gold holdings. Well... they also spent it 😁
What would eAustra be without it's little scandals 🙂 Boring most probably 😁
so u mean that if you spend 70 gold without telling anyone, not even your ministers, it is ok, but i metallon do it, it is just stealing?
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On the contrary, I told everyone.
"monetary aid" wow, can u give me a monetary aid plz :3 of 70 gold!
also u told much after u spent it, what is the difference then? :3
and you also spent wrong, while u could deal much damage spending on your own soldiers, that spent their whole economies, some of them, thinking that austria didnt have the resources to finance them( and didnt have). I spent 100g, cisoon spent 70 +-
maximum austrian goverment gave us was like 15 gold to buy weapons and divide among us.
so tell me, why is your situation different from metallon one? you fooled your own soldiers = ]
Now there is something man can not see every day in Austria
Yeah, I spent 70 gold on Hungarian tanks rather than 170 gold on you and Cisoon, who was a Congressman.
Why is this situation any different? Are you really this oblivious? I'll go through the list once more, just for you:
1. I was actually President
2. I only spent 70 gold
3. I told everybody I was doing it
4. It was for Austria, not PEACE
i didnt say u had to spend 170 gold with us, i say u said also by that time that austria didnt have resourcesto spend, so we spent our own, just after fighting we discovered that you spent 70 gold with mercs.
u didnt tell people u were going to spent, u told u just did it 🙂
even if you were president, arent hypocrite? how can u make critics about things u cant since u made almost the same?
If you think the two events are anything alike, it speaks to your intelligence.
What I did was the right thing. Austria gave some soldiers weapons. I spent that gold on Hungarian tanks, organized by Kampec, who was a leader in the resistance. The people you like to mention that spent their own money were Congressmen, and I had no intention of asking anybody to resign to go fight in Hungary. In any case, we won the battle.
Once more:
1. My action was LEGAL.
2. I spent LESS money.
3. I was HONEST about it.
4. I did it for AUSTRIA, not PEACE.
your action was the same as metallon did
money is money, dont matter how much u spent
no, you werent, u told that u couldnt pack your soldiers, but payed for weaker mercs
metallon did for Ausria that is part of PEACE
Long live Austria!
Die a slow death PEACE!
I don't see the two situations as being the same at all... Metallon WASN'T president anymore, therefore he DIDN't have a right to take government funds, PERIOD. You can't possibly argue against that. It doesn't matter if matheusbauer asked for the money the first day of Metallon's term, the transaction needed to be made when Metallon was still in power, that's how government works... In regards to the actions of Lynari... I see the validity of your point, priority should have gone to our soldiers, not mercs, but that is a completely separate issue. We aren't talking about Lynari here, although if you would like to do so in an article of your own, that would be perfectly legitimate.
The fact that Austria is a part of PEACE GC doesn't mean that we have to give PEACE such a large donation without consulting with anyone about it. At the very least, congress should have been notified and allowed to debate the issue for say, 24 hours at a minimum.
That's just my two cents and I fully expect you to try and discredit everything that I have just said.
No, it wasn't, Antonio. You're so irrefutably wrong, it's ridiculous. I did not pay for "weaker mercs." I gave money to Kampec and the tank we paid for got the battle hero medal.
Metallon and I did nothing similar. My action was LEGAL, his action was ILLEGAL. I spent 180 LESS GOLD than he did. I was HONEST about doing it, he said NOTHING ABOUT IT. My donation was for an IMMEDIATE CONCERN OF AUSTRIA, not a GIFT FOR PEACE.
You are so biased. You can't be considered a legitimate judge of this. You are Secretary-General of PEACE. Of course you'll side with the guy who just gave you 250 gold. I'm done with this conversation. Feel free to continue embarrassing yourself.
there is no rule saying that such action was illegal, and you asre making false accusations towards mettallon/olorum.
i am not judging anything, i am making my comments as an Austrian citizen( do i have this right?). Or do it hurt to you to hear my opinion and see that somehow i am right and you are just complaining about something u did almost like.
Jazar, when I say this I am most definitely not kidding unlike on IRC when we joke. You are out of bounds here, you are simply killing PEACE's support in this country by your lack of caring for it. Do not refute what I say because I am pro-EDEN in this war, but simply take it, you know it is true. You and that dishonest party are causing PEACE's dissent here. You are funny and down right hilarious in IRC sometimes, but I am have to say the two situations are 110% different. Metallon was not acting president, and you defending him here shows that under Metallon's rule we were simply a puppet, I cannot fathom to think what would have become of eAustria had he been reelected to presidency. Thanks to the smart people in this fine eCountry he wasn't.
i think metallon donation was awesome, i asked matheusbauer if austria could donate 100 gold or something like that, he told me that he was going to ask metallon.
i am talking here not as PEACE SG, but as Austrian citizen, i know it is hard to separate things.
if it is austria´s desire, open a votation at your congress, when we got funds we will handle back the amount you want ( the whole or half or something like that).
but i really think lynari shouldnt call people of thieves; Also metallon that was one of his best friends during austria dark times and introducted him to austrian politics. Knowing lynari after some months here, the true lynari, is being a disappointment to my person.
and also alfred, be careful with falses accusations or offenses towards my party.
I consider Metallon a friend, just like I do Nykoal. But like I say over and over, this is politics and I can't just ignore things because we have a history together.
Jazar there is nothing to be careful of, when one person does wrong in a party in real life the whole party is looked at as asshats.
I think that Jazar had a good idea. Congress should hold a vote about how much money should have been donated, that would make it more official at least.
Thus, since you are pro-EDEN, you must be the biggest asshole here.
At least I am more open about this then other people. 😉
I think that rather than having this degenerate into a he said, she said, that we should stay focused on the issues. Just like RL, Austria has people of many different political persuasions, the one that we all (hopefully) have in common is a desire to see Austria prosper. We may have different ways of trying to achieve that, but that doesn't make anyone an "asshat" or an "asshole"... Please guys, let's keep it civil and focused purely upon the facts. This should be a place for discussion, not insults...
@erreum:
No he's not.
@Jazar: Metallon was no longer President. Lynari WAS president at the time of donation. When you aren't president anymore, you don't have the right to act as president over the ACB, specifically for the reason shown here:
If you are aloud to, you can donate at the end of your term, weakening your successor... and in some cases your political opponent, although I don't think this is why Metallon made the donation.
So, a president isn't allowed to make a donation at the end of his term? Only in the beginning or the middle?
Why does it matter so much that the donation was made a little later? I bet that even if he had donated before the day change you'd still be complaining, and I'm not sure but I don't think there was anyone online at the time to make the transition of the orgs, Metallon's term might have finished half minute before the donation, but Olorum was still in charge of the org.
To finish, as far as I know even after the donation Olorum still gave to eAustria a good profit.
Minotauro you can argue that point tonight when I get a screenshot that the transaction went after 3:03 AM EST, he would have a lot more leeway if it was done even 5 minutes before the transition he was still acting president. Though this is not the case, he was no longer the president of eAustria therefore how can he authorize such a payment legally or even morally? He can't honestly, now stop sticking up for him and care more about the place that holds your citizenship.
Metallon was not who made the donation, i did.
Metallon and matheus ask me to make a donation to PeaceKeepers, many many days before and i said i would wait for the end of the Mandate, to see how many Golds we would have in the ACB and, then decide how many i could donate.
And that is why i donated in the last day, had nothing to do with the Elections...
Metallon was still the President and i was the Minister, so there is nothing illegal about the Donation.
I did it for Austria too, we are part of the Alliance, we are part of the PeaceKeepers.
You spent less Money, with Mercs? Wow, splendid...
You just forgot that you spent 70 Golds when ACB had 250~300 Golds?
We spent 250 when ACB had 750 Golds...
Now the difference seems much smaller, is not it?
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Lol, are you that thick!? Like really?! It was after Metallon had lost his bid for re-election?! I just don't understand how he was still president or you were still the minister, case and point I am sure the citizens who really care for eAustrian's well being want there money back where it belongs and in the Austrian Bank.
Antonio in IRC offered to give it back in full, and I am sure the eAustrian people will take him up on that offer.
@Alfred Ball,
Prove then that was after the end of the Election, i'll be here waiting for the Proof, or you will denounced by false accusation, ok?
I make the Donation before the End of the Mandate, then yes, Metallon was still the President and i the Minister.
Sure, and Lynari will return the Golds that he spent too?
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Lol Olorum you calling me out like this is going to end in failure mate. I will have your images as I am the one who proved the first set, and do to a faulty refresh script I didn't get the image in time I know for a fact that the transaction took place 2 to 4 minutes after Metallon was no longer president, you will get your images tonight. I promise you this, I will send you the images first through a PM as well. And why does Lynari have to return 70 gold? Lol, he was president?! I was not here at that time but if it was a bad decision so what, it was his bad decision to make as an active president. Your time was over, now instead of making me stay up till 3 AM EST just admit it!
😃
I will be waiting for the Proof...
Why the delay in posting?
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Because I need a more accurate screen shot so there is no refuting your downfall buddy, at least if you admit it here people will see you as an honest idiot who lied as long as he could until he realized the act was up, but if you keep it going people see you for the fail that is Olorum and Metallon for his bad judgement. I can see the headlines now, "Money stolen from Austria, given to PEACE GC!" On second thought keep this up I will get some subscribers out of this and some eWorld coverage.
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"More accurate screenshot" smells like "edited screenshot".
Or you would have posted already.
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LOL
Ehh did you not read any of the previous comments? I have to take the screenshot, because I messed the first time around up with a refresh script I used for another browser game. I will show you the one at 2:59 AM EST and 3:05 EST though, my clock appears PC clock appears to be a little off but the one on for eRep is in view.
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Of COURSE you don't want eAustria to donate gold for PEACEKEEPERS
u are pro-Eden
duh!
Sure!!! And all of eAustria who is against that donation is a terrorist!!! OMG!!!!!
Did I ever said that?
I don't think so.
The money was not stolen, it was donated to a PEACE Org to help PEACE to keep peace around the globe.
It is so difficult to understand it?
Why you don't want us to help PEACE, Alfred?
You took almost 2 hours to post 2 screenshots that does not show anything?
ROFL
Try Again.
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Bobby, you are distracting people from the real point here and so obviously. This to me isn't about PEACE GC it is about you stealing money and yes I said STEALING, it was stolen because he was no longer president, if this had been 5 minutes before Rangeley was not acting president then I would not be here arguing. The fact that you feel it was justified because it involved helping out PEACE, well Bobby, this is not the case and that does not justify stealing, yes I said it again STEALING money from the tax payers.
As far as i know its a bug... the donation was made on my terms like it or not.
Its a bugy game... sorry but erepublik lost 1 day due the bug few days ago.. maybe thats the reason 1 day is missing🙂
Apparently Metallon cannot handle this type of criticism, possibly it was for the best he was not re-elected.
11:59 +++ GuardianAngel has given owner to Metallon
11:59 +++ GuardianAngel has given op to Metallon
12:00 --- Metallon has banned *!*@Rizon-31AA3237.hsd1.nj.comcast.net
12:00 Frerk lol
12:00 *** Alfred_Ball was kicked by Metallon (Alfred_Ball)
12:00 !!! You have been kicked from #eAustria
Point proven. I was kicked for defending myself against idiots who will spam that I am only against this because I am Pro-EDEN as I am not afraid to admit and have not been since Day 1 of being in eAustria. Many of you could accept this, but die hard PEACE soldiers here could not. I have no regrets still I will have no regrets later. You will not censor me because I have criticized you.
Alfred Ball said on irc:
19 days ago was not the beginning you stupid f****r
The Reason why he was banned for 5 minutes, you cry baby ;😃
Metallon then why was Bobby not kicked for cursing and calling other people names as well then? I will tell you why, because you cannot stand criticism, now stop publicly humiliating yourself.