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America - Wtf ?!
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What is it about you guys ? Have you reached a point where everybody starts backstabbing everybody ? Can't you just stand united ?
I am talking about the leak of information, articles about surrenders, articles about how America is falling apart etc.
If you guys can't hold it together how are you expecting your allies to do so ? Nations all over the world are gathering their resources, sending soldiers to America simply trying to help. But how could they if you've already given up ? This is not an open letter to ALL of the citizens of America, its to the haters out there
I always thought of America as proud, powerfull and peaceful but yet lethal. Thats is not how I think about some of you now.. I'm just seeing a bunch of sissies trying to take advantage of the situation to help themselfs and not their neighbours.
I have so much I want to say, all negative unfortunately, but I'm having a hard time to put it all together. Just stop with all the nonsense. The war is not over yet, there's still a long way to go.
The most idiotic thing I've seen, yet, is a presidential candidate going out in public, telling the citizens that if he becomes the president in the United States he will end this war.. By surrendering..
Wtf ?! Thats exactly what I am saying, he knows there's a big crowd out there hoping to end this and agreeing to PEACE's terms and he's using that go gain the ultimate power, over an ultimate country.
I'll kill myself if he wins.. What I've seen there are 2 possible candidates that have stayed positive, encouriging and hopefull. These two are Emerick and Harrison Richardson. They may be hated by some because of the current situation but this war was imminent. We all knew that this day would come, and we were all right.
I'm not trying to screw you up even more, but I am telling you to get a grip. You're not the only ones involved in this war. This is a world war, this affects the entire world and if you fail the consequences won't be yours to deal with.. You're probably wiped off the map and the rest uf us, whi's trying to help you will get the punishment.
Please don't post a comment if you're to lazy to read the text.... And don't shoot the messenger...
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In RL the word "peaceful" has nothing to do with the USA
"w/o valid arguments"
Just cruise around and check everybodys shouts, have you read about the agreement that was leacked out ? Did you read his official comment about candidating to surrender this war ? Probably not
hes kinda right no matter wht the compromise we have to keep going. america is about, justice, freedom, and independence we must keep fighting or nothin will ever get done. and sure we dont agree with the president all the time but who does? he is trying as hard as he can to work and get the war over with (as painless as possible) yet the only way he can do his job and the only way eUSA can survive is if we ALL start working together and we all start working for the greater good that is eUSA! fight now so you can stop the attack before it gets to your state. if not just remember that you have been warned.
hes kinda right no matter wht the compromise we have to keep going. america is about, justice, freedom, and independence we must keep fighting or nothin will ever get done. and sure we dont agree with the president all the time but who does? he is trying as hard as he can to work and get the war over with (as painless as possible) yet the only way he can do his job and the only way eUSA can survive is if we ALL start working together and we all start working for the greater good that is eUSA! fight now so you can stop the attack before it gets to your state. if not just remember that you have been warned.
Agree with everything except for the view on presidential candidates. in my opinion Stanwick is the best candidate out there. HR is a good candidate and he did a decent job but right now, i just want out of this war and in my view Stanwick will be the one most likely to do that.
I totally agree with Atea actually.
Although I have to admit it doesn't look like USA are doing their best in trying to defend regions.
Voted!
Don't put us all in one boat! I'm in the never surrender boat... and we kick ass; also w/ have T-Pain!
I concur! too many pessimistic articles floating around
@Alexander: This is an article to the haters, those who wishes PEACE to take over America
I'm on a boat!
Hail USA and their Allies, DOWN with PEACE GC!
Very good article. American politics are becoming highly annoying as of now. However, I think the world is seeing the true faces of some Americans, all I can hope is that the world realises we all aren't cowards. But there are some valid points that if we do fight to the end, only hardcore players would stay and it would take a very long time to rebuild.
@Snow Cat: in Real Life the word "peaceful" has nothing to do with Russia. Just ask Chechnya.
No surrender, ever, for any reason. Not now. It's slow-motion suicide, so if that's the path taken, I'll save myself the time.
Victory Shall Be Ours!
Vieu, first - my comment was to the article, where author says "I always thought of America as proud, powerfull and peaceful". Well he thought wrong. Question of Russia being peaceful is irrelevant in the context of the article.
Anyway USA holds an advantage in that area. It is the only country in the world that used nuclear weapons against civil population of another country. Be proud
Emerick for president!
SnowCat,
In RL war, no one is innocent, we can only hope that the winner is less barbarous than the loser. Even a cursory examination of WWII shows that the Americans were far, far less barbarous than the Japanese.
As for the Russians and the Germans, by contrast... well!
~simplex
simplex, my intention was only to point out that the Author shouldn't put words "America" and "peaceful" in one sentence. They just don't belong together.
Snowcat, this is a game.... I'm not talking about RL situations
Grimecrust Organization, all the same. Both eUSA and USA are not peaceful. Never were
Voted.
Our new military strategy seems to be working well enough. It's at least slowed Peace's advance to buy us some time to get back on the offensive.
I do agree that there are a lot of people trying to divide for personal gain right now. That's just something that politicians do in the U.S. during hard times, both in real life and in this game. It's unfortunate, and it certainly doesn't help us win, but it's not really something that can be prevented.
You're not the only one who has noticed this laziness in the American folks, but what can we do if they don't get a grip and help themselves to help the eWorld..
@Snowcat: You're bringing up events in real life that happened 64 years ago to argue with the author's article? Seriously?
Speaking of nukes, I think there are about 400,000 Ukrainians who aren't too pleased with Russia's use, err misuse, of nuclear energy as well.
didnt really read it x(
@Snowcat what we are saying is that you shouldn't even say something about America not being peaceful if your Russian (though maybe your in RL not). It would be hypocritical
i love it ,a message that all Americans need to hear
EvanTheAwesome, if the article is incorrect why can't I say so? My nationality is irrelevant to the fact that Author is lying (or mistaken to put it mildly). If someone says that 2*2=5 - wouldn't you point out the error?
Chris Sko, there is a huge difference between intentional bombardment of civilians and an accident. As there is with enjoying the results and trying to help afterwards.
As an American that has watched all this unravel I can say one thing. The debate is essentially Chris Stanwick and all the two-clickers that want to quit and bow to PEACE. The other side is the more active but smaller population who would love nothing better than to go down in a fight. I've said this in numerous posts, so I will say it here:
America is not a quitter. We know what our allies have done, and continue to do. So long as the right man is elected on August 5th, we will fight to the last. They may knock us down, but they won't knock us out. At the very least we would sacrifice our country so that we may give our allies a fighting chance. Let PEACE spend all their gold destroying our nation and showing the world what a hypocrisy PEACE really is!
NO peace with PEACE!!! Vote Harrison Richardson on August 5th!!
USA is not UK. No peace with PEACE!
T-Pain is da bomb.
@Snowcat: Yes there is a huge difference between the intentional bombardment of civilians and negligent bombardment of civilians. The intentional bombardment ended a war in which 60 million people died, while Russia's negligent bombardment of their own civilians was a meaningless waste of life.
You talk about trying to help afterwards? Take a look at the rebuilding of post-war Japan, specifically Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and then you tell me the U.S. didn't help at all. Chernobyl looks awfully bleak in comparison. Yea, you Russians are doing a great job "trying to help" there. If i'm not mistaken, the United Nations is actually helping to clean up the area because Russia is too incompetent to clean their own messes.
@Snowcat First of all the article said nothing about the real US when the author said America he was clearly speaking about the eUS, as he was the entire article. So basically you twisted his words because you wanted to call America not peaceful. Something which is thereby hypocritical as your nation isn't a peaceful nation either. You brought RL into this for no reason
if only we could simulate nuclear bombs...
I am disappointed by the people who insist that eRepublik is, in fact, the real world. These same people, who can't check emotion at the door, and substitute this emotion for reason, should understand that surrender is not reasonable here. Personally, I've unsubscribed from Stanwick's publications; his peaceful alternative simply doesn't benefit the eUS.
EvanTheAwesome, whichever USA we are talking about - it is not peaceful.
Chris Sko, the war was effectively over by the time of the nuclear bombardment. It was totally unnecessary.
@Snowcat: The war was over before the bombardment? OK, you tell me when the 2 A-bombs were dropped and then you tell me when Japan surrendered. That's what I thought.
You tell the 20 million Chinese who died at the hands of the Japanese that the A-Bombs weren't necessary. The Japanese were training their women and children to kill American soldiers with sharpened bamboo sticks near the end of WW2, and you think bombardment of Japan was "unnecessary". You're a damn fool if you think Japan was just going to surrender and give up.
Chris Sko, do you understand what the word "effectively over" means?
Well what can I say if US soldiers were unable to defend themselves from women and children other then by nuking them? Very american
Just go and see "Team America. World police". First 10-15 minutes would be enough to cheer you up
Here is the link to the first 5 minutes of "Team America"
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The point isn't that the U.S. soldiers were unable to defend themselves, the point is that those Japanese civilians were not going to be able to defend themselves. Japan was preparing to sacrifice millions of their women and children. Japan was going to THOSE lengths to ensure that they would never surrender. If the U.S. had invaded Japan and killed a million more people before the end of the war, would that have been better than dropping the A-bombs?
And yes, I understand what your use of "effectively over" means. It means not over at all, Japan hadn't surrendered, fighting was still going on, and people were still dying by the thousands. That about right?
Very relevant link of Team America, reminds me of Chechnya.
We are proud thats why we win and we will come back and win this. Every war has a dark cloud before it see's the light. If the eUSA just sells their friends and allies out to PEACE, then every true eAmerican should leave the eUSA and move to an allied nation and live and fight for them. Leaving the traitors and cowards here in eUSA by theirselves to lick the boots of PEACE.
Oh, I see. To defend women and children you nuked them.
Yes General_II because total annihilation is so much more beneficial to the eUS. The problem is too many people act like patriots to defend a fictional representation of the US to the death even if they have no chance.
I agree fren. Never give up the fight. If chris wants to surrender to peaces terms we dont need chris. This is America and everyone is bad talking us in this game and trying to attack us in this game because of jealousy that in real life they know theyd never stand a chance. What have you accomplished by beating a few people in a game? Nothing its just a game it has no bearing on any of us or our lives you people seriously need to get a life. I will fight peace till the end cause there only version of peace is them having absolute control over everything. Thats not peace thats making everyone a slave. Weather its a slow death or a quick one ill fight to the end. Id rather die on my feet fighting for what I believe in then on my knees in subversion. @snowcat Yes I am proud to be a american so we dropped bombs on japan so what if I had the opportuntiy to go back in time and control that myself I would have done it the same all over. Japan attacked US we retaliated with the bomb and japan backed out. If they would have left us alone we never would have touched them. And you should thank us. It looked the rest of the world wasnt farring to well against germany till we came along. War is hell yes sometimes innocent people die but the overall number of lives that didnt die in the long run because of the war ending saved more then it didnt.
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America will not capitulate, and we will not sell out our allies who have stood by us through this ordeal. We've got a couple of nay sayers, to be sure. But they are definitely a minority.
Also, voted.
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I couldn't agree more.
agreed and voted!
Lose some more regions and the swedes come and want to have some too.
This saddened me. This is probably how all our allies feel. They're doing their best to help a friend and this is how we repay them. With our own bickering and thoughts of surrender, just because we couldnt' defend a few regions. I pray that America will work things out before we devour ourselves. PEACE is probably elated to see us in this state and to that extent, they indeed have won.
I love this article, and you are awesome. eUSA is NEVER going to surrender, and we ARE NOT going to turn our backs on our allies!
yeah I'm with you I was there when Hoss whent against emerick. He got murdered gangland style. If he wins I'm going to spain. Hes that stupid and that much of a coward.
@Snowcat: "Oh, I see. To defend women and children you nuked them"
No, to end a war which took 60 million lives and was going to take millions more, we nuked them.
we must not surrender to PEACE if we do then there is no point in staying in eamerica
Voted and subscribed. Too many whiners in eAmerica. Stand up and fight, or move to a PEACEfull country with your tail between your legs
So i wasted all my money and time fighting for america,and in the end she surrenders?I would like it more that it is conquered by fighting to the end then surrendering like cowards
"The most idiotic thing I've seen, yet, is a presidential candidate going out in public, telling the citizens that if he becomes the president in the United States he will end this war.. By surrendering.."
At least someone understands! We can' just let our "PEACE overlords" rule us like this. We fight till there's nothing to fight for, then we fight to get it all back!
SnowCat, you are a fool.
First the fire bombings killed more, and had there been an invasion there would have been a good chance that we wouldn't be talking about a Japanese civilization now. Both sides got so immune to the humanity of the other from the atrocities committed on both sides.
>Chris Sko, the war was effectively over by the time of the nuclear bombardment. It was totally unnecessary.
Whoever wrote this knows very little about history. It should be noted that the Japanese *still* refused to surrender after the first atomic bomb was dropped, and had plans to fight until the last man, woman and child for the defense of the mainland.
It should also be noted that the Americans warned the Japanese before the first bomb was dropped that if they did not agree to an unconditional surrender that a device would be used that would force their hands. They, of course, refused.
This should be some indication as to the militancy inherent in the Japanese population circa 1945. The death toll was estimated to be over 2 million plus in any invasion of the Japanese mainland were the effort to be undertaken. It can be credibly argued that using the bombs actually *saved* lives. This point may be lost on you, though.
Perhaps the author of such an absurdity gets his history from movies , but others actually read it in books.
As to the author of the article, all I can say is: right on, brother. I have often wondered how our allies felt, as they sacrificed just as much if not more than us, as they watched our rather petty and short sighted political process play itself out. Watching some of the back and forth, one might not realize that an actual war is playing itself out...right in our own country. It's just business as usual, with the usual suspects involved.
My vote is for anyone who tells PEACE to take their proposed "peace" treaty and shove it up a dead bear's arse. No surrender, not now, not ever.
I will never surrender to PEACE- If e-America does, I'll move...
Stay assured, I will not vote for any candidate that wants to wave the white flag.
The USA will not surrender.
America will prevail! AMERIMAXX!
I don't know about you guys but I am not ready to give in!
As for SnowCat, you can't refute someone else's opinion, if that is what they believe in, that is what they believe in. You may have a differing view but that is as far as you can go.
Also, for mixing the game events with real life impressions is dangerous and leads to a lot bashing of countries and people on both sides. Snide remarks about past events are totally out of line, especially when they are directed towards a specific group of people and have nothing to do with the game.
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>As for SnowCat, you can't refute someone else's opinion, if that is what they believe in, that is what they believe in.
If someone's "opinion" is based on a tenuous grasp of the facts, you most certainly may refute it, and you may call it out for what it is, uninformed drivel. As for people who come to the game with a R/L axe to grind, while it is fairly ridiculous, it will probably always be that way, given both the nature of the game and the nature of the world in which we live.
Well the main point of my agument with the author of the article is that whichever USA we are talking about - RL or erepublik - they are not peaceful. And NEVER were. Prove me wrong
It is not mixing RL with a game, just pointing out the facts that you can not change.
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@SnowCat - Considering that our countries were allies in that war, and thinking about how many Russian civilians died, does it matter how those millions of civilians died? The atomic weapons killed many, but arguably saved many times over that many number of civilians and military lives, and ended that brutal war. No apology from me for America and their decision. Especially since my father was in the 5th Marines and would have been sent to the Japanese homelands. I'm glad he lived.
America:I have given my blood and sweat defending you, dont give up now, I beg of you FIGHT ONWARDS TOWARDS VICTORY!
Threatening to kill your self, isn't good media.
@Pactra: I'm also grateful for the dropping of the A-boms as both of my grandfathers were in the Pacific theater of WW2.
As for Snowcat, he's a troll trying to inject RL arguments into a game. When he was proved wrong about the nukes saving lives, he just gave up that argument and went back to his original argument. He's just here to troll everyone and try to piss us off.
Yes, snowcat, the U.S. isn't peaceful in RL. No country is truly "peaceful" in RL. Every country has had wars, murders, rapes, etc. Such is the nature of man and civilization.
Your point is proven. Trolling mission accomplished. Now go away.
I'm on the boat. Vote Emerick. NEVER SURRENDER!
Things seem to be turning around for the eUS. I think that the in-fighting among the eAmericans was necessary to give some of us the boot in the ass that we needed to open our eyes.
Thank you eSweden for being an understanding friend.
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And Harrison or Emerick would be JAWESOME for eMerica
Chris Stanwick is a tool and a failure.
>Well the main point of my agument...
Learn to argue better. It's probably best, if you are going to argue facts, to have a firm grasp of them before you open your yap. Plus, bringing up the behavior of R/L countries makes it seem as if you have some real life axe to grind, which is both petty and ridiculous. This is a game.
touche
Chris Sko, "When he was proved wrong about the nukes saving lives, he just gave up that argument and went back to his original argument."
- I wasn't proven wrong. Is the following statement (used in my second posting) TRUE or FALSE:
"USA is the only country in the world that used nuclear weapons against civil population of another country"
You can advocate your uniqueness in that respect however you want. The FACT will remain the same.
Pactra, "Considering that our countries were allies in that war, and thinking about how many Russian civilians died, does it matter how those millions of civilians died?"
Yes, it matters. In my opinion there is a difference between fighting with a soldier who can fight back and fighting with women and children. If the target for A-bombs was military one - I would applaud. But I will never understand a civilian target.
another Q1 article, boooring...
Well some people exploit the current situation to climb the political ladder, others to get the media mogul medal
wow did you guys even read it? ...hes saying STOP helpin your self and START helping you country and stand united bc of this russia is mocking us "united we fall" ....and we are just going to sit here and let them insult us? and watch out country be took over? we lost many states already...its time we work and win out states back and bring our enmeies DOWN
>If the target for A-bombs was military one - I would applaud. But I will never understand a civilian target.
Who, pray tell, would have been the target of a sea-borne invasion of Japan, if you don't mind me asking. Who, do you think, would have born the brunt of this invasion? The military? Or the civilian population? The estimated casualties for Japanese civilian and military alike were on the order of over 1,000,000 people, and these estimates were considered conservative.
And that's just from the invasion itself, without considering the number of dead, displaced and wounded from military actions carried out in preparation of the invasion. The firebombings taking place in Japan at that time caused more deaths than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
You may persist in this rather dubious defense of your original point, but the more you do, the more labored your logic will need to become, until the only thing propping up your "arguments" is your emotional clinging to an invalid precept.
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Voted!
Great article, and I agree about the Presidential Nominee (not saying name, but everyone else probably knows...)
HOSS IS BOSS!
SnowCat is right. The war against Japan was only weeks from being over when the US used atomic weapons. Just look at the timeline. SnowCat is a freaking genius.
It is truly our loss that SnowCat isn't some sort of History Overlord: a mighty demigod who holds sway over all space and time. If it were only so, all that disturbs SnowCat's delicate sensibilties could be wiped away. Wiped by the power of his unflinchingly clear-eyed historical analysis. I mean, just look at the timeline, man!
Absolutely. Those nukes saved many lives and ended a war.
It is hard to ignore those few in power willing to sell out and those PEACE infiltrators that are stirring the pot. But it is a small percentage. The vast majority have their heart in the right place and just need a little help to play more effectively.
it's just a game
Good points, H. McCoy. Too bad Snowcat no listen to reason. He must troll boards, must troll boards, must repeat that U.S. not peaceful.
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Anyone who wants to surrender is a pansycake... what more needs to be said?
You'll kill yourself because he wins.