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Alexis answer to a banned CP: we do listen we just don't always do what you want
There is a lot of talk that we don't listen or reply to user feedback. Well we do and I just wanted to share with you my answer to one such feedback sent by one former CP that we had to ban from the game.
He was banned from eRepublik because he decided to change the welcome message (the first message all new citizens from a country receive when they join) to one where he basically told new users to leave and not bother trying the game at all.
I hope my answer below goes someway in explaining why we can't accept such things and why although we always listen to constructive feedback (unfortunately its impossible to answer all of it) we do not accept or respond to flaming or bad behavior and can't always do what some of you may think is the right design or product change.
Please keep your comments civil and constructive.
Alexis
"Hi
As you can see I did read it. I read all the constructive feedback I can and so does the team. What we do not respond to is flaming or agression, just like any normal human being or company.
We only ban people who cheat or people who flame or try to damage the game and break its rules. Not people who disagree constructively in the proper way and in the proper forum without trying to damage what we are trying to build or other users experience.
Yes we built the game for the community and we continue to do so and that means that we have to look at the long term and sometimes upset a few in the short term. Do we make mistakes in the process of course we do, is everything we do wrong? I don't think so. Do we implement some of the things the community wants, yes we do and that often goes unnoticed (and that is fine btw), do we implement some times things part of the community doesn't like because our analytics or learnings tell us its the right thing to do or just to experiment? Yes again. I can assure you that if we implemented only the things the community wants, we would not have a game anymore.
Regarding "esoviet union", I don't know many games there are that give as much capacity of influence to its users like we do. How many games let selected users set the welcome message to new users? Decide what an entire country will do? We have taken that chance to try to build something different but what we can't allow is to let a few users to try and destroy what we are putting so much effort into just because they disagree with a particular change.
The fact we don't roll back a particular change or introduce a new feature doesn't mean we don't listen, it just means that feedback from the community is simply one of the elements we listen to along with analytical results and our own game design.
What has made this process difficult is that we have a very ambitious concept and a complex game. This means we have had to do some pretty large changes to get to a more workable and scalable game, and that can be painful at times for us and the community. The good news is we are now getting close to a point where the only changes we will have to do most of the time is fine tuning things that have much less impact on the user experience.
In any case I am really happy you enjoyed playing eRepublik for 2 years, we must have done at least something right if you did so and I'm really sorry that things have ended on a sour note.
Best regards,
Alexis"
He was banned from eRepublik because he decided to change the welcome message (the first message all new citizens from a country receive when they join) to one where he basically told new users to leave and not bother trying the game at all.
I hope my answer below goes someway in explaining why we can't accept such things and why although we always listen to constructive feedback (unfortunately its impossible to answer all of it) we do not accept or respond to flaming or bad behavior and can't always do what some of you may think is the right design or product change.
Please keep your comments civil and constructive.
Alexis
"Hi
As you can see I did read it. I read all the constructive feedback I can and so does the team. What we do not respond to is flaming or agression, just like any normal human being or company.
We only ban people who cheat or people who flame or try to damage the game and break its rules. Not people who disagree constructively in the proper way and in the proper forum without trying to damage what we are trying to build or other users experience.
Yes we built the game for the community and we continue to do so and that means that we have to look at the long term and sometimes upset a few in the short term. Do we make mistakes in the process of course we do, is everything we do wrong? I don't think so. Do we implement some of the things the community wants, yes we do and that often goes unnoticed (and that is fine btw), do we implement some times things part of the community doesn't like because our analytics or learnings tell us its the right thing to do or just to experiment? Yes again. I can assure you that if we implemented only the things the community wants, we would not have a game anymore.
Regarding "esoviet union", I don't know many games there are that give as much capacity of influence to its users like we do. How many games let selected users set the welcome message to new users? Decide what an entire country will do? We have taken that chance to try to build something different but what we can't allow is to let a few users to try and destroy what we are putting so much effort into just because they disagree with a particular change.
The fact we don't roll back a particular change or introduce a new feature doesn't mean we don't listen, it just means that feedback from the community is simply one of the elements we listen to along with analytical results and our own game design.
What has made this process difficult is that we have a very ambitious concept and a complex game. This means we have had to do some pretty large changes to get to a more workable and scalable game, and that can be painful at times for us and the community. The good news is we are now getting close to a point where the only changes we will have to do most of the time is fine tuning things that have much less impact on the user experience.
In any case I am really happy you enjoyed playing eRepublik for 2 years, we must have done at least something right if you did so and I'm really sorry that things have ended on a sour note.
Best regards,
Alexis"
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eRepublik is dying , deal with it.
I have to admit that the admins have listen and even take care of the suggestion that I have made.
At the end, there will be just Romper vs. Don Kronox and few other Master Card guys. CAN'T YOU JUST SEE THAT? IT'S YOUR REALITY AND FUTURE!
I feel like the game I've put almost three years of effort into is losing all the appeal it once had. with he V1 switch you lost most of my original community, with the V2 fiasco, you lost a lot of my new community, now with all the stuff now, I'm starting to see why everyone else left
@ipiro, tks for giving the opportunity to address this. Why do you say its dying? I can asure you it is far from dying, it is actually growing and has been growing strongly since November last year.
yes, but you don't ban those who cheat but have a great visa
plz, go to #care
This is not Alexis Bonte, this is fake profile!
[censored] already
Alexis u are doing wrong man, you want more Visa Players, but who make sense this game is the free players.
make the use of visa a plus, not the reason for the game
Do you think that we care?
UNBAN ADMINS
LIMIT HEALTH KITS
BRING OLD MPP RULES
STOP AUTO ATTACKS
REMOVE CENSORSHIP
REESTABLISH ORS AND DON'T LET THEM V&S
REMOVE BUYING BOT!
WE WANT FREEDOM!
WE ARE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY
angeldav
Spanish CP.
et en français ça donne quoi ?
And the moral of the story is:
ALL 4 THE MONEY
OK
But V1 was better.
NO VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://wiki.erepublik.com/images/c/c3/PlatoForeverAlone.jpg
@alcoholMAx and in what way is this constructive: A growing part of citizens buy gold in eRepublik allowing us to give them and all of the ones that don't the possibility to enjoy a unique game. What is wrong with that? The virtual goods model is a proven and efficient one and it works for eRepublik, putting adverting instead doesn't we know we and many others tried. It wouldn't even cover server costs.
dhoo? Aun vives?
Oh hai alexis long time no see, tough u finished ur active playing on beta.
How is the donkey doin?
Anyway hai from the 2clikers land.
@Alexis, We all see it's dying.
I've been playing this for one year and few months. I know and rationally see, when somethings wrong. Here's the thing:
- You lost many many many many players since MC version of this game (Master Card)
- You IMPROVED the game, but only for Master Card customers.
- You deleted every article which was against new ''improvements''.
- Every day, more and more players quit this game.
- You KNOW that 85% of ePopulation is being mad because of new ''improvements''.
I'm not mad, I'm just being totaly honnest. Tnx.
@zoidby that is completely false some of the citizens we have had to ban are customers.
Reporter for spam
"posting articles in a language that is different from the language of the country in which the article is published; "
I don't like most of the changes, but you own the game, we don't. No point in raging too hard about it, you'll make changes you want to make, whether we agree or do not.
Feedback?¿ only visaplayer feedback, other people are like bots to play them.
Inace ne citam tvoje novine ali te zeka-peka metio u shout...
why dont you do a survey?
check how players feel?
you think that its growing? you are naive(thats not an insult). whats growing is the number of multies. just check the latest changes and go to Monetary Markets of almost every country and see what a great job you've done.
we like this game coz of the people we've met here, and we stay here coz of our stupid hope that you might listen to us some day and stop ruining this...
is this offensive?
It's good to see that answer from your citizen account and not from Plato.
+1!
xDDD
LOOOL!
oh, i understood, Who buy Gold with CCards, can enjoy a unique game, who not, F**** off
@ipipro and you get your date where?
If you play this game you must like it at least a little. So why say that it's dying when it isn't who better than me can know that?
@alcoholMAx that is exactly what we want to do its a hard balance to reach but that is the goal paying players get some pluses but you must be able to have fun even if you are not a paying player and judging that the vast majority of players doens't pay and many have been playing every day for the past few months I guess we are doing some things right. Its not perfect I know
Koliko amerikanskog, jbt... : D
@alexis bonte : Le mal est fait, et l'incompréhension persiste. Des admins comme gucio prennent tout le monde de haut et les : On vous a entendu sonnent tel des promesses de politiciens.
A quand une commission composée de citoyens qui échangerait avec les admins avec des actions concrète à la sortie ?
Btw, bon courage avec eRepublik. Les concurrents grossissent et eRepublik peine à retrouver sa splendeur de la V1.. Faute à une oreille "attentive" qui n'agit pas.
On a eu une crise avec des milliers de joueurs actifs qui ont pousser leur ras le bol. Résultat : Rien de concret.
i'd believe you, but when i heard that a visa-player has been downgraded instead of ban...
whatever, like ipipro says, the game is dying. If you (or your wallet) don't wanna see or admit it, good for you
@jovan well if someone came to you in the street and called you "stupid" would you find that offensive? Would that make you want to listen very carefully to what he or she has to say if he then said ho and here is some feedback? We do listen and we listen much better if the sentence doesn't start with how "stupid" we are.
I don't think getting out of a metting with nothing to say it is a good way to end all.
Sorry
Alexis:
You are doing great!Full support from me!Thanks for this wonderful game and thanks for updates,I know It will be great in the end:)
Yes you're right, I like it. And I have good reasons for playing it. It's SOCIAL. I wouldn't agree with you, you can't now better than us, because we FEEL your CHANGES. Just do a survey, you'll se what I'm talking about. This ''revolution'' doesn't bring any good. We stopped wars, you lose - we lose. Why don't we do something?
*The thing with Belea and his 1 - sentence answer was not fair : /
We have given a lot of constructive criticism and it goes unanswered almost consistently. The only thing I've personally seen acted on in the Messages to the Team is demands for famous player x to be unbanned.
It's understandable you want to get an RoI and goldbeasts are contributing mostly (if not fully) to getting that RoI, but it isn't the only answer. More people will buy gold if they feel the game is evolving with them instead of fighting against them - and that's a lot better than relying on 10-15 players with black cards.
The team has consistently modified and removed existing features to increase gold revenue from key players such as Colin Lantrip and Romper, and ignored good features to be added suggested from less wealthy albeit well-intentioned players.
i.e. -
http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/108864-A-Long-and-Serious-List-of-Suggestions
http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/109131-Letter-to-plato-My-humble-opinion
http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/106105-New-Admin-Education-A-Little-Something-About-Change
Mr Bonte, quid de:
LIMIT HEALTH KITS
BRING OLD MPP RULES
STOP AUTO ATTACKS
Tout ce qui faisait le sel de ce jeu, sa complexité, a été aboli et rend le jeu simpliste, c'est dommage
Un peu plus de stratégie svp...
/me like Alexis : )
Where is: "Have a nice day"?
Well, it's a kind answer, but it won't solve this Massive hysteria, you should find why and for whom you have this situation right now, and maybe cut some heads : V.
Alexis Bonte.
One thing is a advantage for those players who buy gold.
But, nowadays a "visa player" can fight back and entire country...
That fact can be fun for a few players (whose have a lot of gold) but the community can feel really disenchanted with the game because they don't worth nothing compared with the "visa players"
vote sub
There is no balance if there is no WP limit.One man army is a big issue and you should start thinking how to fix it.
If you don`t want to limit it then you should be at least honest and remove "free game" title.
wtf?!
where did i call you 'stupid'?
i dont know about you but my comment started with : "why dont you do a survey?"
0.o
and refusing to answer everything else i said is just a proof of your weakness in dealing with social problems...
alexis bonte
"I can asure you it is far from dying, it is actually growing and has been growing strongly since November last year."
Parent can not have "neutral evaluation" about his children. It's better to ask and listen someone from outside of eRep.
cheers
Alexis Bonte, very brave of you to public this.
If I would have written the same thing in my paper it would have been removed and I would have received a Forfeit Point for Public Debate.
That might actually be the source to the problem rather than the actual modules. Players are feed up with the lack of communication. That things are implemented without notice, without information. And when they post the link and picture to the new things and start ask questions about it - their articles are deleted and they receive Forfeit Points and threats.
I believe the unit module will be great, but it was implemented in advance and without information. Why?
Same with the Top Customer, why leak things and then refuse to answer questions about it? Why punish those who do?
The problems of communication began as a small up set group of players and then grew for every day. It went from bad to worse and it has for sure not improved since - well your article here is at least a sign that you have noticed that some players / customers have concerns regarding the product. That's a start, thank you.
@bucaner I wasn;t in that meeting but I guess you are refering to one where a few citizens said that they would only start the meeting and discuss if a list of demands where met. Who is being dictatorial there?
@ipipro we do surveys regularly and they have helped us correct many things. What you feel and see is extremely important to us and our decision making but its not the only thing we take into account. Again as I say if the game was 100% designed taking into account only what the most vocal part of the community wants, it would be unplayable and unsustainable as a business or even a non-profit.
Misho +10000000 as usual.....
"Do we implement some of the things the community wants, yes we do"
What a lame liar... You only implement what buyers want.
We're a picky crowd, and we know it.
Wellness packs NEED to be limited, whether that's per day, or per each battle
And the main confirmation of "eRep dying" is sudden activation of you and G. Lemnaru.
Why you stopped writing from Plato Newspaper Account?
This Private Messages are not good, because you cant vote them and wrote your comment under it?
Ces't magnifique ! Battez le rouge !!!
Bari Bakh Ay Bari Bakh Bari Bakh
Improve political module.
@Alexis
Do you understand that unlimited WP`s are the worst part of the game combined with strenght.
Some countries have became untouchable cause of crazy RL people.
Here are 2 changes i think are best and none of them is to limit the WP`s.
1.Just like in V1 a player can only buy one Gold Pack per week.This way you will get an constant income every month unlike today when it all depends of a popularity of a battle.
2.You make the price of WP rise for every 10 WP`s.The price can rise for 0,5 gold or 1 gold.
Both solutions will not affect your profits much and 95% of all active players in the game would agree with the changes.
Also about strenght.The same problem a new player would never be able to reach an old player.He can buy 30 000 gold he would still not reach him cause the strongest tanks get gold from the state to train in some cases.
You should make it just like in V1.
The more the strenght the less the player recieves with training.
After 3,4 or 5K the strenght a player gets from training should drop dramaticly so to be as a limit but whithout an actual limit.
This way a new player comes he buys 300 gold and with that 300 gold he can even the gap between him and an old player.
I know you wont read or even answer let alone take at least part of the sugestion but belivme your game is not doing great.
Well it's good to see you and Lemnaru renewing the direct contact with player. Even If nothing else good happens, my ban was worth it. I would like to ask you oppinion about the Visa/Mastercard players influence on the battlefields now, and let's say one year ago. It has changed, dramatically, you have to see it. How do you thing it effects the game experience of those players who spend less or don't spend real life money at all on the game. I am sure a consensus can be reach. As for me, when I bought gold from erepublik, the single purpose was to give it to stronger players so my country will be able to defend it's core region in an epic battle. Now, I can't do it, and that's the reason (not my ban) why I won't buy gold ever again. Both you and the player want this game to bring good incomes for you. And I believe both you and the player want to maintain a good game.
To summ up:
-Think about how the difference between payers and non-payers changed.
Thank you.
Gregory Gallangher
former Hungarian President
Make your game better. Don't destroy it if you wanna be anything seriously.
hmmmm.... I have a question - you are writhing this as a PLAYER or as a ADMIN???
if you are ADMIN then here is my second question - what the hell are you doing interfering the game-play like you are a some sort of a God?
Have a nice day!
...and learn some FAIR PLAY!
Alexis! Te hablo en Español que seguro que nos entendemos mejor!
Cuando entre a eR me divertía, con el paso del tiempo le dedico menos tiempo.
¿Por que?
Hay demasiados cambios y casi siempre se vuelve para atrás, los jugadores VISA vulgarmente conocidos se aprovechan de muchos de estos cambios Y CADA DÍA MAS!
VISA player = desnivela batallas y muchas cosas más.
Cierto que estos jugadores ayudan a eR a seguir On-line, pero si las batallas se deciden según lo que ellos dicen la gente se aburre!
A mi eRep me gusta mucho, el modulo militar de la v2 era buenísimo! pero no cuajaba con la economía.
No seria más fácil abrir varios juegos? Erep v1, v2 y el actual, así la gente que quiere jugar a otros puede y hay mas DIVERSIDAD!
Bueno un saludo, es mi punto de vista.
Saludos!
no offence, but u just listen when u have no other choice ;_;
Ce qu'il faut pour que vous compreniez: c'est vous attaquer au porte monnaie, un eMonde pacificié avec plus aucun achat de gold.
Vous n'écoutez pas, et n'écouterez probablement jamais les Joueurs.
Anyway hai from the 2clikers land. x2
//Angusthegreat
Alexis, s'il te plait, arrête de dire des conneries.
Absolutely awesome post, although i did not took the time to read it. It would be just great to have more from you.
You say you don't always do what people want. I would like to request you reference an occasion where you HAVE done what people want, somewhere in recent time, please.
First page
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LIMIT WP !
Sorry about typos, I am bit tired because of studies.
if you want to do samething for community...LIMIT HEALTH KIT!!!!
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If you allow me, Blank Keating:
We have given a lot of constructive criticism and it goes unanswered almost consistently. The only thing I've personally seen acted on in the Messages to the Team is demands for famous player x to be unbanned.
It's understandable you want to get an RoI and goldbeasts are contributing mostly (if not fully) to getting that RoI, but it isn't the only answer. More people will buy gold if they feel the game is evolving with them instead of fighting against them - and that's a lot better than relying on 10-15 players with black cards.
The team has consistently modified and removed existing features to increase gold revenue from key players such as Colin Lantrip and Romper, and ignored good features to be added suggested from less wealthy albeit well-intentioned players.
i.e. -
http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/108864-A-Long-and-Serious-List-of-Suggestions
http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/109131-Letter-to-plato-My-humble-opinion
http://forum.erepublik.com/showthread.php/106105-New-Admin-Education-A-Little-Something-About-Change
You're wrong. It WOULD BE VERY PLAYABLE, and it would earn more money, because money comes with numbers. It's simple as that.
I see some money-earning-wish in your previous comment, I don't like it, it maybe shows that you like money more than 500k players : S
@Misho tks for your message and yes you are right we are not good enough yet at showing that we listen to feedback and at aways sharing changes in advance.
The problem is in part due to the fact that many changes may appear has the wrong thing to do before you actually implement them and then analytical results show you they are the right thing. Also Flaming feedback might have made us a little more shy than we should be.
Finally, we have had to do much bigger changes than would be ideal to find the right product balance. As we are getting closer to it (and we are sorry for the naysayers) we will be able to do smaller changes and I think communicate them better.
Still we should be better at communicating this stuff, I agree.
And btw removing the insider and replacing it with private messages wasn't to stop communicating (as I have read from time to time) it was for the exact opposite. Only 15% of citizens read insiders, 80% read the admin private messages. So even when we do improve communications that can be misinterpreted sometimes.
Well this is just what is making people angry, you saying you listen to them but not do anything about it. In most cases, you do opposite from what is being suggested.
Polls on forums prove that. You can keep assuring us you do listen, but nobody believes you.
If you are so sure people are happy with this game, why dont you make a public poll. A poll that HAD to be filled, on 1st login on XXXX day. I would like to see results of that.
Most of people left here "play" this game just because they made a lot of friends when this game started and they stick 2-clicking to continue those relationships. But these kind of updates will make them go away after all.
"we must have done at least something right"
-wrong, since I joined (almost 2 years ago) this game is getting worst...
My answer to the "creative" team:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/i-love-this-game-and-you--1703565/1/20
Alexis don't you see that if you loose the normal players the gold buyers won't buy as much gold as before
Its simple: less players--->less buyers--->less profit = Dead game
only option you have had left to us is BOYCOTT !!!
No wars, no money from gold buyers.
And in the way i see it , it is already working becouse i haven't seen this much in game activity from erep team in a more than a year...
I do not approve the thing that the players have done to your game on FB, but you know that that significies the power of the players, your FB activity is now probably zero...
You have never listened to the players and we know that, now the game is duying (it started in V2) and even if you will not say that we all see it.
Erase dead citizens and then see how many still active players are here...
And nearly 30% of survivors are multies, and then you will have exact number of players...
Stay well and have fun,
VERY UNSATISFIED CUSTOMER mcmoox
MCMOOX je bio ovde!!!
This is just my opinion, not "public debate".
@alexis: I not say that you were you. I say that nothing has a solution without dialogue and that kind of talk is not good for resolve the problems
Not so civil and especially not constructive comment!
Hi there!
\o/
@alexis
a big problem is that you regard every player that played this game for a while, was included in community, knows the game since its good and bad times, those are "few players", and lvl 20 2clickers are the community? Ive been playing this game for 20 months now, and i like it.. But i used to love it. What i like about the game isnt on erep, but on rizon and mibbit.. You made it easy for noobs to catch up with me, a 20 month old playes, but imposible for me to catch up with visa guys unless i sell my house.. In v1, military units could make an impact, trying hard and working with your teammates could make an impact on the battlefield, but now 3 people can fight an alliance... I dont have that kind of money alexis... So i should eather leave the game or be an ant in it? Please answer me once, if this isnt true and constructive, i dont know what is...
Exiled Emperor of eChile
Marko Krsmanovic
P.s. Ban all cheaters not just some of them!
I just don't get it - you first insult my mind with all these false explanations, and when it gets me angry, you say I'm flaming. Funny.
I don´t believe you listen to us. Sorry.
Unban presidents and limit the WP, and this would be a begining, until then, you lie to us everyday.
After turning a socio-political game into a totally click to fight through Visa game, the continuous changes in the game, bugs, the almost sabotage from the admin team against players, their military goals and strategies and later an economic destruction of the game; the never-listening players turned into the most severe censorship in ever seen in the game and you just tell us hey buddy we gave you so much liberty... just don't mess with certains things cause you will be banned. Your team lost the grip long ago (and you already know from famous players you himself met in the past and left the game), these last events are just the straw that broke the camel’s back.
"I am really happy you enjoy"ed" playing eRepublik for 2 years"
Message received.
@alexis bonte: just a question. Why you don't limit WP ? A HUGE aprt of community want this.
There si no reason for don't do this. This a serious question, plz answer, I don't understand. (you can answer i french if u want, It's your native language I think:p)
One question that the admins seem to ignore Alexis is why you don't limit health packs? Why are you not putting a limit on those which allow paying players to do outrageous amounts of damage that a non-paying player couldn't match no matter how long they played?
I did trust you, but I supposed you disappointed me.
I wont waste my time with a huge comment in a no-sense cause. If you think that so much complains of so much people is something good... ok.
Have a nice day!
To very few of you, please refrain from flaming that brings us nowhere. Flamers are not part of a community they just want to destroy it.
Fact I'm not answering to every single comment doesn't mean I'm not reading all of them, the ones that flame I don't.
Mr Bonte,
Maybe there is something wrong with the mods? Many people who are constructively offering suggestions but they got banned or censored. I wrote an article that did not invoke anything but talked about the relationship between community and eRep staff drifted apart. I got censored and FP for that.
I voted https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FMqpxOXi2Ui1X3N6M0k_cKCTfWLEJqP4lcK0AHwEeBs/edit?authkey=CO_itfAK&hl=en#
I really do not know why this was banned at all. This was a suggestion and I would really like to know how this is really dangerous content. I really do not know who bans content but at this rate, posting this comment will likely get me FP as well. If you do read this, I would like a response to it as well.
Thanks.
"How many games let selected users set the welcome message to new users?"
- Until you disagree with what that message is.
How can the food bot be a long term choice?
Belive me, I will do the same if I were you ; )
Why not make the price of wp goes up every 20 used for 0.5 or 1 gold.
Large part of rage built up in gaming comunity would go away.
Alexis, why don't you simply limit the WP as in V1 and bring back the good old wall ??
Réponds s'il te plait
Alexis, do you respond to PMs like George Lemnaru does?
Algunos de los nuevos cambios no son acertados. Le recomiendo que observe algunas actuaciones que se están produciendo en ciertos mercados monetarios,
http://www.erepublik.com/en/exchange#buy_currencies=15;sell_currencies=62;page=1
http://www.erepublik.com/en/exchange#buy_currencies=35;sell_currencies=62;page=1
http://www.erepublik.com/en/exchange#buy_currencies=11;sell_currencies=62;page=1
.......
"gracias, por sus maravillosas ideas"
Alexis, why don't you simply limit the WP x2
Try harder...
limit WP... o/
I loled