Adjudication Requested On Summer Dolphin
Day 2,050, 19:05
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by olivermellors
Dear community: kindly help Valiant Thor and I to resolve the issue of whether he must send me 1 gold.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-proteus4poteus-we-all-have-issues--2284852/1/20#comments
Kind regards.
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Valiant Thor:
The same slogan was used by the Communist party of USSR, just replace Paul with Stalin!
olivermellors
Stalin isn't running for president, so the slogan is better with "Paul". It is a pretty good slogan. Stalin would not be elected in eUSA. But, still a good slogan. Also, I think most men wore pants in the USSR. I wear pants and I think Paul wears pants. Paul also shares many other attributes with Stalin and the USSR: he enjoys the winter, tall women and the occasional bunga-bunga party (oops.. that's another country). Thor: you can 't just invent complaints about everything and hope to be persuasive.
Valiant Thor:
The comment was about the statement made by Othere, where he concludes that "Paul is the only choice for President". My reference was to compare this with communist regimes and dictatorship as it was during Stalin in the USSR. During that time ONE party had ONE candidate. The unity crap we have is somehow different: T4 parties have ONE candidate. On the other han
😛tell me ONE major political difference between any of the T4, any legislature that can be put through congress that is relevant to the gameplay and I will send you ONE gold.
olivermellors:
get ready to send me that one gold. hoohoo !! okay here we go.
The top 4 parties are all on the same page. They don't much care about who gets to be president they just want to present a single person, almost any person. Unlike Stalin, who was not very good for the people, the top4 have always tried to select people who might do good. Paul Proteus might do a lot of good. And here is the thing. Unity isn't even involved. The community seems to like the guy so much that there isn't a credible opponent. So you see, unlike the USSR, eUSA has produced a single individual who has extremely broad popular support DESPITE the Unity thing. Which is why I think running the Unity thing is a mistake. It makes some people think that UNITY is the reason Paul gets all the endorsements.
Second point is about congress. There are tons of things congress could do if they were minded to, which would drastically affect game play. This would require a weeeee bit of ballsiness but it is possible. First on the agenda should be transparency. Lots of transparency. Keep using the forums by all means but use them well instead of poorly: improve your game play. The forums and other meta game tools are incredible force multipliers. They work best if practically nothing is secret. They work better if congress takes itself seriously as a deliberative assembly. The whole "private discussion" business is generally harmful. Open up the discussion, learn to discuss all topics of importance in the light of day, release the exceptional private discussions (of the exec and the congress) without very little delay. That way you will have an informed and intelligent populace voting based on demonstrated ability.
Valiant Thor:
But the KP of USSR loved Stalin!
Q was: tell me ONE major political difference between any of the T4 parties, any SIGNIFICANT difference? Otherwise we could merge them into ONE party right away! LOL
No valid answer, no gold!
olivermellors:
quoting from your post, you asked for " any legislature that can be put through congress that is relevant to the gameplay and I will send you ONE gold"....... review of my answer will disclose a a valid answer. Please do not repeat the winter dolphin episode..... honour your undertakings.
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Here's a major political difference;
The We The People party has run it's primary by direct vote only, through ingame methods. They don't require you to join the forum in order to vote in the primary, because they believe you should be able to play entirely from the ingame climate, instead of just using the forums.
Other parties believe that creating an incentive for people to join forums can lead to a more active community, thus they make it required for someone to be registered on the forum to vote in a political primary. The Federalist party specifically believes that you have to show commitment to the party before being able to vote, by putting forward a 30 day waiting period before being able to vote, which can be waived if you take on party positions, or a special exception is made.
There's another ideological difference seemingly between USWP and Federalist leaders as well. If you look at USWP CP Cabinets, it's generally filled with tested and proven leaders, people who have previously held positions in that area, or who have been working as deputies in that area before. You can see this with Tenshibo's cabinet, which was largely comprised of large figures. Compare that Paul Proteus' cabinet, which is roughly split between proven leaders, and new players to the positions. People like Paul generally think that almost anyone, with the right people supporting them and enough energy to fulfill the position, can facilitate a secretary spot. Other Presidents, specifically Federalists, seem to echo this mentality, by placing secretaries that are either new to the executive, or have a bit of experience elsewhere.
Reality is, there's lots of small cultural differences between every party. People like Thor just don't care to look for them.
Also the Stalin thing would require one party to control the rest of them, which is obviously not true. People who resort to nazism/communism slander in an online game have no place in logical arguments.
you make very persuasive points which are very helpful. However, you need to vote on the issue whether Valiant Thor must send me 1 gold. Please provide your vote/view/adjudication.
Yea, I think your answer is valid. GL actually getting him to give you gold though xD
Valid answer is valid
"...there's lots of small cultural differences between every party."
That's not enough, I've asked for "major political difference between any of the T4 parties, any SIGNIFICANT difference"
"any legislature that can be put through congress that is relevant to the gameplay and I will send you ONE gold"
By this I meant that there is NO difference in the parties, because they do not have different issues that could be seen through different proposals in Congressional voting, a different concept of taxes, distribution of funds etc.
valiant thor: I understand you now wish to change the question, or think you put the question poorly. However, I did my part, answering the actual question posed and expect you to do the honest thing by honouring your undertaking.
As to your new point, that congressmen and parties all think alike and therefore will not actually use their legislative powers to full potential, I would be happy to chat with you about that upon receipt of your 1 gold. It is, after all, useful to talk with honest men.
I actually agree with Valiant Thor, there are no policy difference is the Top Four. The major differences are mostly cultural. The only major difference really is their internal focuses and their level of populism.
Despite the fact that you did not produce any fact that all T4 parties have the same agenda and there is no real significant difference among them I am sending you 1 gold just to honor your effort!
1 gold received with thanks and respect for your honesty. Best regards.