About the Chinese-Bulgarian NAP
mihail.cazacu
There were a few people, especially from Ukraine, who hastened to label the Chinese-Bulgarian as betrayal.
It is easy to understand why the Bulgarians were interested in that NAP: most of their damage goes currently against the Turkish RWs, so a war with China would have been an unwelcome drain.
It might be more difficult for some EDEN and Terra members to see why the NAP actually helps them a lot as well. So let's look at the map and consider the other scenario: a Bulgarian - Chinese war.
It is obvious the Bulgarians have no interest in it, so the war would have had to be started by China. And the Bulgarians would have easily closed it by RWing Northwestern Iran. Given the current imbalance between Teden on one side and ONE + Bulgaria on the other side there was no way in hell Teden can
simultaneously:
1) Hold Poland and Hungary from advancing to North America;
2) Win the first Bulgarian-Chinese battle;
3) Help China in South America to reach the Atlantic and threaten Spain;
4) Successfully defend Northwestern Iran from an RW;
5) Win other RWs in China, in key bonus regions (most of the EDEN Military Units depend on the Chinese bonuses - if the bonuses vanish all the EDEN firepower is severely diminished);
6) Keep Indonesia at bay, preventing her from invading North America together with Hungary and Poland.
Bottom line: if China would have attacked Bulgaria, the war would have been easy to close and it would have diverted the effort of Teden from other areas where the pressure of ONE is extremely high.
So what next?
It is obvious that the sooner Turkey is back on the map, the better. The good thing is Bulgaria is craving for revenge against Ukraine.
Why revenge? Because the past Ukrainian governments thought it was a good idea to recover the provinces they had leased to Bulgaria right in the middle of the Bulgarian-Turkish crisis.
The situation was similar to the Bulgarian right to veto: it was Ukraine's right to want those regions back just like it was Bulgaria's right to veto Turkey's membership in EDEN. But exercising both rights at that time was idiotic.
And of course it is a blatant double-standard to believe that Bulgaria had the right to do something stupid but Ukraine doesn't have the right to be as stupid as Bulgaria. So yeah, the Bulgarians want now to "punish" Ukraine for imitating Bulgaria's irrational behavior.
That desire for revenge is what might bring Turkey faster on the map. If the Bulgarians invade Ukraine, they won't have any incentive to stop that war (unlike the case of a Chinese-Bulgarian war).
Bulgaria is weaker than Poland, therefore she will be less able to hold onto any Ukrainian colonies, just like Poland was unable to hold onto theirs. But past experience shows the Bulgarians would try hard to do it, thus diverting damage from the Turkish RWs.
If the Bulgarians don't succumb to the desire for "revenge" then there are other two possibilities to bring Turkey back on the map.
The first one would be to provoke Bulgaria into an Ukrainian-Bulgarian war by having Ukraine attack them. An Ukrainian attack would be perceived as a major slap in the face and thus it would be impossible for the Bulgarian leaders to avoid such a war even if they would want to. That of course depends on how ready is the Ukrainian public opinion for such a "suicidal" move.
The second one would be a Romanian attack on the Black Sea Coast of Turkey. That move would be smarter later on, when the Hungarians have been evicted from France. On paper that attack would also be "suicidal" because Romania cannot successfully fight back a joint Bulgarian-Hungarian invasion. But since Romania was wiped out countless times before, one more wiping out won't make a big difference. The only thing is timing: trying to free Turkey before the Hungarians are eliminated from France would be a huge strategic mistake.
My bet is the Bulgarian public opinion would do the work for Teden, by pushing for an invasion of Ukraine. So neither Romania nor Ukraine would have to make the first move.
So let's sit back and wait calmly for the events to unfold.
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"That desire for revenge is what might bring Turkey faster on the map. If the Bulgarians invade Ukraine, they won't have any incentive to stop that war"
Thank you for tips, Goebells.
@Martinoz: Obvious developments are...obvious.
go crawl back into your hole traitor.
Oh, you're so wrong xD
Nope we'll just sit in Anatolia with the bonuses and just w8 : ))) After 1-2 months Turkey will be twice weak than Bulgaria and we'll take the whole region 😁)
cCc World is purple cCc
for both Ukraine and Romania, it is already solved by diplomatical solution 🙂 hard days for Turkey are coming
@windfall:
I can be wrong only if you guys don't invade Ukraine.
But then Ukraine can still attack a Turkish region, giving you the choice between letting them conquer it, in which case Turkey can easily RW it from Ukraine or you to defend it, in which case you will get tangled into a Bulgarian-Ukrainian war in which you won't be able to control the "thirst for revenge".
Either way the end result is Turkey will be free and you will have as many colonies in Ukraine as Poland has.
10! о7
And again there is a strategy in this game. Let the best one win 😉
@The Graverobber:
The thing is Turkey is needed back on the map by the whole Teden.
So it is obvious something needs to be done about it, something more than just sending the mobiles to fight in the RWs.
As an aside, the only good thing so far is Teden spent much less real money in the game in the last 2 weeks. So Plato is much sadder than the Turks could ever be.
With the new missions, turkey will be at least 10 days under occupation. Ukraine will wait a lil' bit
GUR GUR GUR _)_ OAHAOAOhaohaoAHoAoAHoAHA
Again the logic "All should fight for turkey"....it is sad that EDEN became like this!!
I think that some of your statements are manipulative:
"Because the past Ukrainian governments thought it was a good idea to recover the provinces they had leased to Bulgaria right in the middle of the Bulgarian-Turkish crisis."
When eUkraine decided to cancel the rent agreements - the majority of eBg players were thankful for the support of eUkraine. This was normal because we held these regions for several months.
But the real problem came after eTurkey-eArgentina-eUkraine pact..
bla bla bla mihail what happened with the "your war with turkey is a hopeless ping-pong war"
Flausino managed to delete turkey so what now?
when you will admit u know nothing about bulgaria and that you're wrong most of the time?
bulgaria's behaviour was not irrational, for u maybe, but for bulgaria definately not.
Greetings
Your article was translated into Chinese Language
Saturn Reference 第六十二期:关于中-保互不侵犯条约
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/saturn-reference-1-2035789/1/20
Best regards
Mihail - you were great friend of eBulgaria - I remember.this well and there is no reason for this disappointment, so i can't understand why is this anti-BG propaganda.
Open your eyes for the truth. By the time I'm writing this:
Bulgarians online 447
Turks online : 225
Ukrainians online: 84
BG is not going back to EDEN, just let it go already
And finally nice you're proposing that Romania should be sacrificed yet again for turkey. LOL i don't know if I should laugh or should cry. You are so desperate....
you won't be able to control the "thirst for revenge".
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we control ourselves pretty fine, don't worry about us, we are probably the most organized and disciplined country in this game, not only the army but civilians and everyone as well ; )
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/eden-s-true-story-1990963/1/20
@ My bet is the Bulgarian public opinion would do the work for Teden, by pushing for an invasion of Ukraine.
Are you sure?
Expect a surprise 😁
DEADEN troll is in action again.He wasnt friend of anybody.He is the propaganda pitbull of EDEN HQ they send him to Ukr,Bulgaria,Croatia etc where they want to make confusion.
^ leave him, he's a hopeless case. He and the rest of eden failed leaders still think they are in control of something.
Cazacu 2 years ago - Bulgaria should join EDEN cause of holy Turkey - Bulgaria war
Cazacu today - Bulgaria should stop their ultranationalist ping-pong against poor Turkey and join EDEN back again
Why? Because it's old damagehood.
As of today, Bulgaria's public opinion is heavily on the side of keeping Turkey occupied for as long as it's needed to make them incredibly weak. After their attempts to report all active players in Bulgaria for multiaccounting (yes, they did attempt that) all matters of honor were dismissed. So now anythign is permitted when coming to the endresult of ruining Turkey.
Hi, Mihail, the time showed none of your plans worked. I experienced this personally, when we together made plans to expel Turkey from Eden.
Than your plan to set all Teden to fight against Bulgaria and force us to surrender (10x for thi plan, we have huge increase in the active players because of it)
Than the plan of the endless ping-pong war and how happy you are with the Flausino election. Are you happy now? We took 8 direct battles and 7 RW in a row. We will try to make them 30 in a row.
Damn, I have never seen such stupidity 🙂
btw eBulgaria wants revenge not because of the resources but for backstabbing . you remember the eArgentina, eTurkey and eUkraine announced their commitment to each other, right after eUkraine took its regions back and supported eTurkey for EDEN disregarding eBulgarian right to VETO.
In a moment of political crisis in EDEN, eUkraine picked eTurkey over eBulgaria, forgetting all sacrifices eBulgaria did in favor of eUkraine
JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED
Yesterday one of the Turkish leaders said. We have to spend more money or we have to make more multies to win against Bulgaria. In the beginning of the war and during the conflict I was telling whole Eden, that Bulgaria is 30% stronger than Turkey. No one believed me. Now Bulgaria is 50% stronger in 1 month they will be 100%.
Turkey now has a campaign to report our active players. This irritates 99% of the Bulgarians a lot. Turkey reported first our babies, now our active players, they use
Turkey is using only unfair methods.
As I said to Israel, Cyprus and Ukraine (and they understood me) we dont want to fight against them. Now we want to punish the cheaters from Turkey. All Stanko, Lazos and so on. When Turkey learns to play fair we may be will let them, for a while, free.
Actually I am really happy that we left Eden. Check the Bulgarian press(I am sure you are doing it) and see how active and enjoyed are Bulgarians, having dynamic and funny game.
In overall - deal "Turkey for Bulgaria" was the best in the history of EDEN, and cazacu with others still proove it was a very good choice. You write tons of articles, about plans to punish Bulgaria and ONE, how good allies you have in Turkey.
But in fact, you have to face this:
- Turkish deletion
- China isn't so eager to help Turkey
- Croats deleted few time a month
- Greece is on the map... sometimes
Congratulations EDEN, you achieved all goals in category "The greatest deal".
I love how he hints that turkey might not be back on the map so soon ;d
"After their attempts to report all active players in Bulgaria for multiaccounting (yes, they did attempt that)"
Turkey - beyond pathetic.
Yes, we are retarded and much worse organized than Teden so everything will work out fine for Romania. Perhaps not so good for Turkey, Greece and others, but hey, priorities are priorities....
lulz
Bulgaria has over 1k more active players than Turkey. even Stanko's bots can't do much about that.
And our active players are something that nothing can take away from us, Bulgaria doesn't need to be an empire, it doesn't even need to be in the stronger alliance to be strong and populous. Like I said before many times already Turkey is gonna die a painful death now, they can't exist if they're not an empire and EDEN cannot prove them with that now. ; )
Turkey - deleted
Croatia - deleted
Italy - almost dead
Portugal - same
Greece - dead
Albania - dying as always
Romania - erasing Hungary
Cazacu, please explain how does EDEN work? When other countries are almost erased, Romania has enough power to erase Hungary 😉
@Martinoz that's because the romanian-hungarian war is holy and sacred, and they are helping eden by diverting 120% of one's damage into that front
^ Wladimir says its 140%
my bad, it gains moar importance every year
"Damn, I have never seen such stupidity
btw eBulgaria wants revenge not because of the resources but for backstabbing . you remember the eArgentina, eTurkey and eUkraine announced their commitment to each other, right after eUkraine took its regions back and supported eTurkey for EDEN disregarding eBulgarian right to VETO.
In a moment of political crisis in EDEN, eUkraine picked eTurkey over eBulgaria, forgetting all sacrifices eBulgaria did in favor of eUkraine"
+1
Romanians fought in hungarian side yesterday : D
Romania has secret NAP with Hungary, so this war is already solved.
"Damn, I have never seen such stupidity
btw eBulgaria wants revenge not because of the resources but for backstabbing . you remember the eArgentina, eTurkey and eUkraine announced their commitment to each other, right after eUkraine took its regions back and supported eTurkey for EDEN disregarding eBulgarian right to VETO.
In a moment of political crisis in EDEN, eUkraine picked eTurkey over eBulgaria, forgetting all sacrifices eBulgaria did in favor of eUkraine"
+2
Damn, I have never seen such stupidity
btw eBulgaria wants revenge not because of the resources but for backstabbing . you remember the eArgentina, eTurkey and eUkraine announced their commitment to each other, right after eUkraine took its regions back and supported eTurkey for EDEN disregarding eBulgarian right to VETO.
In a moment of political crisis in EDEN, eUkraine picked eTurkey over eBulgaria, forgetting all sacrifices eBulgaria did in favor of eUkraine"
+3
I'm sitting back calmly and waiting for the congress elections : )
@Prozerpina: Yeah, that would be quite likely the most important moment for Turkey to be back on the map.
@Absfresh: We were as excited when we wiped out Hungary for the first time. And for the second time. And for the third time, because it was at the height of ONE's power. But then the whole operation lost its appeal. The current war with Hungary is just about draining them so they can't get to North America.
The BG-TR war will go the same way.
@cataclysmbg:
The article is explaining why the Chinese-Bulgarian NAP is a better move than a Chinese-Bulgarian war.
A true anti-Bulgarian propaganda would call for wiping out Bulgaria and keep her under occupation, just like you plan to do to the Turks.
What I am saying is the Turks need to be freed. What I said in the previous articles is BG and TR need to make peace and work together for the common good.
the difference however is that the war is absolutely detrimental for turkey and is making bulgaria stronger and stronger and u know it
Nobody wants to go to North America Oo And Romania was deleted 10 times.Last time when i was MoD in april.We just want to change the capital to France but these sheeps cant let us go, they just sabotaging the process.If we want to delete Romania we can do that twice a week.