Abolish the forum of eCanada
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by Garry Carter
Dear readers,
Congress comuniy know that we must register on a side forum to propose laws on eRepublik. But the point is that eRepublik is a political game, not a real life game. Everyone must understand the difference.
The forum of eCanada is manage by a small group of person that holds the power in their hands. Everything is on our hands to make sure that everything will be fine on the game whitout having a side forum that we must register to manage our country. We can manage it here and in compliance whitout any abuse of the owner of the forum.
With this paper I expose myself to get ban of that forum and probably get ban of the Congress by those people who control the power of our country. Let's talk about it. What power? I don't know why people are acting that way.
This game was build for the only reason that everyone one has the same chances but whit the forum nobody has the same chances and everybody know that.
If we don't debate on the forum before proposing a law on eRep they kick us ! Before proposing any law on eRep we need to vote on the forum ! What the hell is this?
Their only arguement is that it is easier to manage the country on the forum BUT IT'S NOT! WAKE UP GUYS!
This game has not been created to have forums on the side ! We can do our job whitout any forum!
This is why I call a vote to stop use the eCanada forum. This is an attack to the democraty and an attack to this game.
If the vote is positive we will take the next congress mandate to reflect on another way to manage our country. Every suggestions will be take in consideration but we will not go back on a forum.
I hope everyone undestand those issues that are in front of us and i hope that everyone understand that we need to change these old method.
Sincerely, before to take your final decision think how c ould you ameliorate the situation that we are all involved now.
Thank you to all of us
And no matter what happen to me, no matter if they ban me, I will be there to work whit every of you to make sure that eCanada will be a better country.
Garry Carter
Editor in chief TNCP
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All about discussion and debate. Pros and cons of a congressional act. Maybe try to take part is something before advocating for its destruction.
We wouldnt have a 500k cc defense fund without forum debate.
No. The right place to debate and discuss is here in eRepublik. We don't need forums. Forums are used as a weapon to control players. It may have made sense when there were thousands of eCanadians, but now we have maybe 200 actual players - probably less when you factor in all of the multies.
In the forums, voices are easily silenced by simply locking a thread or banning a member. How is that better?
Look sport, your forums are dead. This whole debate is useless. Garry Carter has beaten you guys. He doesn't follow your rules and he keeps getting elected because he is more concerned about eCanada and playing the game than arguing over some external site that most users will never log into.
And everything Garry tries to do in game is shot down because he doesn't use the forums therefore he hasn't beaten anyone.
I don't believe were arguing were just telling.
Facts remain - eCanada population is dwindling. Trying to compete for activity seems pretty asinine. Tell ya what, I'll spin up a couple dozen more accounts and have them join the forums. I already talk to myself as it is. That will just make things a little more confusing.
You do whatever keeps you playing the game and i'll do the same.
The forum is used to stop people from using their proposals when sometimes it shouldn't be. Also, to be most effective a congress has to be able to discuss together the direction they want the country to go in, alongside the Executive. That is what the forum is for, so that people can have discussions. It is the easiest way. What would you suggest as an alternative? I know that some people have suggested to do an in-game pm. The issue with that is that congress is made up of 40 people, and the pm system allows a maximum of 30 people. That is not the most efficient way of discussing and communicating with a group like congress.
"This game has not been created to have forums on the side ! We can do our job whitout any forum!"
There are various places where eRepublik has intended for external discussion and forums. One example being the blue speech bubbles at the top of a party page. Also, anyone can sign up for the forum and watch almost everything that congress is talking about and share their opinions. It isn't exclusive. Having these discussions in game would be spam to put in the media, or even more exclusive that the forums if it's in PMs. You're arguing for a country with no communication and thus a boring country. You have very little evidence that it's harder to manage the country off of a forum than in game. Almost all of your point is flawed. I am pretty sure that you're french, so I will translate this into french for you.
Il ya différents endroits où eRepublik a destinés à la discussion externe et forums. Un exemple étant le discours bleu bulles en haut d'une page du parti . Aussi , tout le monde peut signer pour le forum et regarder presque tout ce que le Congrès parle et partager leurs opinions . Il est pas exclusif. La présence de ces discussions dans le jeu serait le spam à mettre dans les médias , ou encore plus exclusive que les forums si elle est dans de Premiers ministres . Vous plaidant pour un pays sans communication et donc un pays ennuyeux. Vous avez très peu de preuves qu'il est plus difficile de gérer le pays hors d'un forum que dans le jeu . Presque tous de votre point est erronée. Je suis assez sûr que vous êtes français , donc je vais le traduire en français pour vous.
You have a point about the forums, but you are not a good ambassador for that point. You've done nothing in Congress but propose laws without talking to anyone about them first.
Ive never gotten the reluctance to use a moderated forum to discuss issues before willynilly proposing a law in game. The forums have been around much longer then youve been playing the game and without a doubt congress is able to pass laws with measured debate.
eCanada isnt unique in this approach
Every eCanadian is welcome on the forums and every congress member, including yourself, is welcome to participate
Try it, you may like it, and if you dont you may still see one of your numerous proposals pass
When you run for congress, you should at least be willing to put in the effort to make a forum account and monitor discussion, if not participate. You're elected by the people of Canada to make decisions on their behalf, signing up for a forum is not a lot to ask. If you're not willing to put in that much effort, I would strongly discourage you from running for congress again. Forums are effective tools of governance used by almost every country in the game.
Wrong. You are SELECTED by the party president. You are not elected by the 'people' of eCanada. You represent the people in your party as they are the ones who allowed you to be appointed. AS such, we congress people are loyal to our parties and out PP's.
Ya'll want to control who gets into congress by forcing them to use the forums, blacklisting people who don't follow your rules, and by then extorting party presidents with PTO if they run candidates who violate contrived rules.
And you wonder why new players don't want to be part of the forums?
It doesn't matter who the Party President selects if you don't get any votes. Your mandate ultimately comes from the people. Of course, many congress members do not care about that, but the fact remains that you are elected by the people.
The Blacklist Act has not been invoked often and has not been used recently. It has been used for severe transgressions, such as treason. The forums are quite open and we have many new players on the forums who are doing just fine.
Quiet down and jump through their tedious hoops like a trained monkey!
If you do log on, first move all sharp objects well out of reach so you aren't tempted to poke your eyes out.
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tedious?
Shut up and go read the Netherlands media
One 4 day old article last time I looked. eCanada is a chaotic explosion of activity in comparison. I guess they don't enjoy arguing as much there.
"A congress is a formal meeting of the representatives of different nations, constituent states, independent organizations (such as trade unions), or groups.[1]"
The forum is a place for Congress to meet and debate it doesn't change the way you think or take away your right to individual opinions , There is no shady backroom dealings going on there (which you'd know if you took part) we just discuss and vote the merits of proposals where even non-congresspersons can see.
Your habit of continually snubbing the forums shows a complete lack of respect for all of your fellow congresspersons , I seriously doubt the forums will be abolished as they are where new laws are discussed and made (in some cases not made ) .
On top of all that you cannot be banned from being in congress it just isn't possible , You were basically given a 48hr forum ban due to you ignoring the forum so this has literally zero effect on you and your day.
Taking away the forum and congresses ability to debate key points is counter-intuitive and would turn yet another key aspect of the game into just another part of a two-click daily routine , It would literally turn the entire role of congress into a monthly badge and 5g .
The last few months we've been doing our damndest to get congress working properly and to get people more active on the forums , If this isn't for you as an individual that's understandable i guess (altho a little perplexing as to why you'd want to be a part of congress only to reject the key aspects of it) but don't expect everything to change just because you don't like the extra effort it entails.
The forums effectively extend the game. They provide a method of discussing key issues - the proposal of bills, the allocation of funds, etc - which can be moderated, theoretically to keep the discussions from turning into angry insults full of cuss-words. They also provide our community a means to engage in other discussions in a way that is not supported within the game.
Basically, if you don't want to follow the rules, don't f*king run for Congress.
What we need to abolish is not the forums, but Congress. Giving semi-literate dingbats (who are incapable of playing by or understanding the rules) access to dangerous buttons, without any means of taking those buttons away once it becomes clear said dingbats will only use them for anarchy and pointless hippie protest, is a very poor idea.
You can help abolish this pointless institution by supporting your friendly neighborhood dictator the next time there is a big military uprising. Which is hopefully soon.
Yes, abolish congress. That would be the best thing yet. Dictatorship is the best way to play this game. It adds so much more excitement when you realize that 1 person is making all the choices.
Definitely no need for forums when you have a single ruler, am I right?
By the way, people who run for congress in eRep ARE following the rules. External rules mean absolutely zero. Based on forum usage, it appears that the majority of eCanadians agree. Its like ya'll are stuck in the 50's fighting to keep segregation. That ship has sailed, boys.
Yep. Wanting people to behave in an orderly, cooperative manner instead of like selfish idiotic rabble is exactly the same as fighting for segregation. Bang-on assessment.
External discussion is, in fact, supported by in-game mechanics, if not made specifically mandatory. The law proposal page has a box to fill in an external URL for the off-site discussion. When you go to vote on the law, there's a little balloons icon which takes you to that URL. You don't have to fill that box in, nor do you have to click through to the discussion before voting. But it's there, so the in-game mechanics do support off-site discussions for in-game politics, even if they do not enforce it.
You are, of course, perfectly free to hate the meta-game as much as you want, even hold it and those who play and enjoy it in utter contempt. Others may want a deeper sense of community and involvement with their peers. The forum system is old fashioned and perhaps not ideal, but it's what we have and it's not difficult to learn. Congress is a meta-game, and requires further meta-game to function as intended.
If someone has a better idea, they are free to propose it. Abolition of off-site discussion altogether is not a better idea. Maybe a moderated subreddit or some other chucklehead social media service so the people who live through their dumbphones can stay connected.
Not a bad idea.... let's talk about it on the eCanadian forum!!!
Where else would they be able to write 10,000 word acts just to say put cash in the gov't org? Keeps them out of mischief lol.
Some people dig the forums some don't and I won't condemn either.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/in-defense-of-inclusiveness-and-activity-2545952/1/20
We have a forum?!!
For every country I visit, always will be debate about the forum utility xDD
Every country in eRep have a active forum. Why eCanada should be different lol ? Try to respect forum rules&behaviors and perhaps you will be welcome....
I've tried to explain why. You guys quit using the forum and everything stopped working. Congress went back to the forum and got some stuff done. Now we're back to the forum is evil again.
I have a question for anyone that cares to answer. If eRep is meant to work without any forum, what the hell is this?
http://forum.erepublik.com/
Did people ever look at the links provided by admin at the bottom of the home page? (Look all the way to the right, probably hidden behind the up arrow.)
Dill, the problem many have with the forum is that since it is not a part of eRepublik, it exists largely to supersede eRep game mechanics. The game has no rules about what laws may or may not be submitted. We vote based on how we feel about a particular proposal.
I do not agree with a forum or congressional blacklist. Provided a person has not broken eRep laws, they should be allowed to participate in the election process provided their party president permits them to be selected. Also, even a player who chooses not to follow the arbitrary rules about forum use has a voice. Their willingness to join another forum group should not determine relevance.
Lastly, internet forums are the online equivalent of cliques. Moderators of questionable intellect determine when a subject is closed. They determine what is presented and what is not. We all agreed to certain standards when we joined eRep but we did not agree to arbitrary standards should we choose to exercise game mechanics and run for office.
The link I provided is owned and provided by erepublik. Why would they provide a forum for us to use if it conflicts with game mechanics?
I am a mod of questionable intellect on 2 forum ( including the Canadian forum ) and own / manage Pickles forum ( not in use ). I leave people alone exception being flagrant assholery or refusal to follow ToS ( that long as thing you never read when agreeing to use a site ).
Oh yeah, my point is, if you don't like Canada forum take it to erep forum. If you get canned there it is because you broke erep rules.
Happy to use the eRep official forums but I'm not sure that the other eCanada moderators would agree with you as it would mean they would lose their powers. And, you know I'm not talking about you Dill so don't get your soiled silkies in a knot. You are cool despite being mixed up in some of this erep metagame shit.
The forums are necessary to get anything done.
We can't use PM's or articles to debate, plan, or discuss multiple topics at a time. It simply isn't possible.
The more people that use the forums the better, because it means more voices have a chance to be heard and to shape the conversation.
I find it funny that you want to abolish something that you already don't take part in. At least when the Clan Wolf guys were against the forums they at least bothered to use them reluctantly, you don't even go that far.
Abolish Garry Carter, all in favour say 'I'
Gotta give the guy credit where it's due he's started a damn good debate here.
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No, a good debate would be about something founded in fact. Not based on someone's dislike for the way things are done, so we should not do it that way anymore.
I think the forums are useful, maybe it takes time to get used to it but I feel its the most effective tool we have at the moment. I like you Gary but your article never proposed any alternative, think about that first before we just stop using our own system.