A Revolution's Fate
Jny123
In many ways the recent events in eUK could be seen as a revolution. The definition of revolution is-
"a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favour of a new system."
So Vendetta have in fact caused a revolution against TUP, who were the dominant power in eUK politics until recently. With this there are of course some people who now sit in fear of what may happen next, but what will happen next? I'm going to look at some historical revolutions and see if they could be mirrored here on Erepublik.
One of the most known, and the one most people think of when they hear the word, is the French Revolution of 1789*. This was a violent revolution which lead to Napoleon and some of the worst regimes imagined. One of the key people in the revolution was Robespierre, a lawyer who rose to prominence in the early revolutionary governments. He and other Jacobin members eventually began a period that is known simply as "The Great Terror". Removing people in the middle of the night never to be seen again and killing political rivals Robespierre is one of the most fierce figures of this revolution. He was eventually removed by those who had put him in power when he clearly became weak enough to be removed, permanently.
The potential of a figure like Robespierre is possible in Erepublik, a player wielding massive political support through their bullying and bribery of others is a real threat. Although they could not remove players from the game they could make it difficult for political rivals to run for positions, even for PP. Of course this force would not have to be a single person, Robespierre was backed by a small group who enacted his reign of terror. Each person in this group held their own support which they funneled into Robespierre.
Vendetta's revolution could easily go this way with both of the top 2 parties under their control. I am aware not all of the TUP members simply follow what the PP says but there will be a good number of those who do and with many of the influential players in TUP leaving either different parties or other countries the future is somewhat bleak for that party.
It would be odd to not look at the English Revolution. "What revolution?" I hear you say, i speak of course of the English Civil War. Now hold the baw on it not been a revolution because in a way it was. Parliament wanted to push minor reforms on the King who refused and there was a war over it, by the end of it major reforms took place. The main focus of this revolution for me is that the monarchy was dismantled and England became a Republic for its first and last time.
This can be most compared with the recent suggestion that the eUK Monarchy should be abolished. In ways this does not represent the English Civil War so much as it does Robespierre's reign of terror, removing potential rivals who hold influence that could challenge them. However i must not digress, after the 2nd(yes 2nd) Civil war the king was executed for treason. The recent attack could be our second "civil war", with the first being that of the PTO/ATO war that recently ended. Were the monarchy to end eUK there would be almost no-one who could get a united counter-revolution going. You could say that King Woldy could do this anyway but there is still a point to be made. No monarchy, no power figure.
At this point i could go on but I think i shall end this article here. I feel you grasp the idea that revolutions are 99% of the time a messy affair and are followed swiftly by Chaos. However there is hope, from some revolutions spring great periods of prosperity. For many of us though this revolution does not look that way so i shall shout yet more hope. Both of the revolutions i have named here ultimately failed. After the king was executed and Cromwell became lord Protector that was a period of terror for most, yet it ended and the monarch restored. When the French stopped shooting one another(and some short general called himself emperor) they did enjoy a period of peace with no crazy people ruling them. For a brief period they even restored the monarchy.
Before the Vendetta trolls descend to abuse me i will say that i'm fairly neutral about this. Don't get me wrong i don't like you, but i didn't like the old regime much either.
Now for my ending quote. Thanks for reading, please vote/subscribe/shout.
Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy.
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big vote because I had considered writing something similar, I think what we see going on here is more like the french revolution, robespierre and the targetting of aristos for the sake of them being aristos rings true with what V/NE claimed to stand for, the Puritan Revolution was more based on pre enlightenment republican principles rather than power, and Cromwell hated every step he took against the monarchy
"and Cromwell hated every step he took against the monarchy" - indeed, but sometimes Justice must be done, and be seen to be done, though the Heavens fall - he knew that
and so did robespierre...
Why do you guys want to get rid of a harmless bit of roleplay? Seriously I fail to understand how this matters as Woldy holds no actual power with his title, it's purely symbolic. Just let it be, he's going to be called king whether or not a couple of people decide to try and strip him of his title.
I would think you'd want us to be more like Oliver than Maximilien, seeing as the King had many chances to listen or to surrender without being killed. You've been asked to abdicate, you will not, so we will take other actions to take you down. Same as what Oliver did
Cranberry'd. Careful Woldy, a hit squad is headed your way!
the one guy who said something about abdicating was outweighed by the multitude who asked that I didnt, but I can see you are trying to roleplay so I will indulge you; 'off with their heads!'
interesting read
voted. interesting article but I disagree with the generalisation that all revolutions are doomed to failure because of the 2 examples u give.
What about the American Revolution for example?
>implying that america was a stunning success story.
Look at the greed, corruption and generally asshat-ery occurring there now.
You mean politics in general? You're also implying that if any revolution occurs that doesn't result in a utopia it is a failure. I'm not saying U.S.A is perfect, believe me I live here, I have a hell of a lot of issues with our country, but our revolution was a success in the idea that a new governing body overthrew the old.
What I'm saying is that in the short and medium term, no revaluation can succeed, and in the long term, it just puts people who you just over threw in power, just under a different banner.
I think geography played a huge part there, in addition to a good amount of luck on the part of the patriots too.
Also the fact that Britain had more problems to deal with than just the colonies.
They had decades of conflict between the states, the, Native population and Mexico and the small matter of the American Civil war with over 600,000 dead and wounded
i dont say they fail i just say they are, and i quote, "messy affairs that are followed swiftly by chaos". the American Revolution was followed by a war and initially the colonies were in a bit of a mess. you have to see that i class the revolution as something different from the war of independence.
The american revolution formed a large insular power that has yet to see any real threat to its borders from other nations. Until that happens there is unlikely to be any significant political upheaval in the U S of A
We mostly just bitch and moan here in the U.S. The few times political (protest) action is taken, the protesters are either quickly alienated by the press, or pepper sprayed for something stupid. But on the whole our nation doesn't like to get it's hands dirty (in my opinion).
Voted, it was a very good article even if I'm not from eUK (because you can change this "V for Vendetta" guy for the local crazies of other ecountries). I agree about the RL part too, specially the end line (and I want to add that the bureaucracies are usually less worse than the revolutionaries - just think about Stalin x Khrushchev and Mao x Xiaoping!).
About American Revolution, it seems different than French and Russian in the sense that it didn't tried to reform the entire social order, but just to change the government. It was more a liberation war than a revolution. I think that the Anglo-Saxon culture played a role too - more prudence and common-sense than the romantic, hyperbolic way of (most) continental Europe culture (and unhappily Latin America too).
Don't forget though that the Civil Wars in the UK were not finished until the Glorious Revolution of 1688
so true and infact the whole period is really the 17th century crisis because it also includes the reign of James 1(6th of scotland)
As a RL socialist Revolutions are never doomed however Peaceful Revolutions are much more superior. I am anti Monarchy in real life as it is elitism and unfair.
Woldy's Reign of king cannot be elitist as he has as much real power as those two twats who sit either side of Alan sugar, that and this is a game and woldy is fun.
Down with the real Monarchy (careful now)
Up with Woldy
>Peaceful Revolutions are much more superior
your definition of superior must not be synonymous with successful
You mean like the french Revolution was succesful?
They don't have any nobility do they? 😛
French Revolution was a clusterf*ck, but at least they got Napoleon out of it.
Whereas peaceful revolutions are generally a fanciful idea, unless backed with violence or other form of hard power, like lots and lots of money.
Yes they got Napoleon, and the next several decades were spent fighting him and trying to sort out what the hell was going on in Europe.
During the protests in Paris of '68, When the students and protesters went to ask Jacques Lacan to offer his support he retorted unexpectedly:
"What you aspire to as revolutionaries is a new master. You will get one!"
Despite having belief in social reforms, equality and understanding many of the grievances he saw that behind these noble words were a few powerful men seeking their own ends.
Here in the eUK we seem to have a lot of powerful men who couldn't find their own ends with both hands... 😛
Absolutely agreed, all we've managed now is a new master. Sad as I am to admit it, BA is probably going to win CP tomorrow. I prefer the old TUP bureaucracy, when things were dull and predictable. BA stoked his followers by railing against the elites - what will happen once he's got the power he craves?
o7
please read also
Government Spokesmen of Germany
News and War Show
http://www.erepublik.com/de/article/2412954/1/20
Great read, voted and subbed Comrade o7 😃
Enjoyed reading, an excellent article. Thanks V&S
"The main focus of this revolution for me is that the monarchy was dismantled and England became a Republic for its first and last time."
Does Queen Elizabeth II know this? And I bet Prince Charles will be narked the day the queen steps down and someone points out to him he won't be King after all as the role was abolised centuries ago...
"for its first and last time" >_>
You forget the preeminent philosophers of our time (okay, of my time, probably well before yours....) who said, and I quote:
"Meet the new boss, he's the same as the old boss." - The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again
Problem with revolutions is one usually gets worse than one deposed....
Excellent article. Voted.
The only reason I can see you writing this article is to lead people away from Vendetta, or to save Woldy from becoming dethroned. There have been several good things to come from Revolution, not just the bad ones from the two Revolutions you mentioned. What about the Galactic Rebellion of Star Wars?
the movies never say the empire were baddies apart from the overexaggerated characters. The troopers kept peace and order in a universe that would likely implode without it.
The Star Wars part was to show that just like this game, it isn't real, and it won't repeat what actual people did for their actual lives
History and Star Wars in the comments.... And here I was trying to convince my partner that this game wasn't nerdy.
Interesting read though.