A farewell to arms...
Atlantis Central Treasury
Dear citizens of the ATLANTIS memberstates
This is the last official ATLANTIS letter that will appear, ATLANTIS is no more. Romania and Sweden have gone one way, UK and USA another. 2 days ago a final meeting has been held, some things where said there and the end of ATLANTIS was concluded.
I want to describe the last few days of ATLANTIS without going into too much detail for you, as I think everyone has the right to know how a alliance like ATLANTIS came to its end.
Exactly 1,5 months ago the Swedish President (at that time) Algeroth approaches me with the proposition to start negotiating the allowance of Germany to ATLANTIS. Seeing as Sweden has always been opposed to letting Germany join ATLANTIS, I was joyed that the nations had finally made peace. Germany joined ATLANTIS, furiating PEACE and soon it was attacked. As we were involved in other war zone’s like Romania, not many countries did actually send much troops to the AGU. With the result of AGU falling to PEACE and Germany losing its peacefully merged regions in Austria. Germany did not mind that. They were happy to join ATLANTIS and keep its original regions. After all this time, I think it’s fair to say we neglected the Austrian regions a bit and could have done a bit more effort for them. But what’s passed is passed. The elections passed an a new Swedish president was elected. In the mean time, the situation on the Romanian-Indo front was changing. Indo simply out-cheated us by far. I’m not going to deny some ATLANTIS citizens didn’t used cheats coz then I’d be lying, but the simple fact is that Indo was just better at it and did it on a bigger scale. Admins have confirmed it and although I will get reactions from PEACE citizens on this, they know that if we are honest with themselves, it’s true. PEACE out-cheated ATLANTIS by far. This was the first sign of the crack in the ATLANTIS armor and I fully blame the e-republic admins lack of responsibility and lack of competence for that.
I want to add btw, now that we are open about everything, that in the entire life of the ATLANTIS-project, not once the use of cheats was promoted or shared. 3 times AIS spy’s brought in cheats and exploits found on enemy forums and each time we unanimously decided to report those to the admins. Which is exactly what happened. Hence why I have always been so proud of the alliance for its stance against cheats.
But back to my story. As I said a new president was elected in Sweden. Algeroth was imo one of the most competent ppl I’ve ever seen in ATLANTIS. A funny, intelligent and mature guy, always prepared to help out and choosing diplomacy over war. A typical example of how a e-president should be. The new president, kaleholm, did no posses those qualities. After being in ATLANTIS for 1 month as a passive member, Germany applied to become active. This would enable them to help in military operations and become more involved in ATLANTIS. Most countries had no problem with that, although Germany hadn’t helped much in the past (how could they, they where A) only a passive member and 😎
they just joined.), it did send some of it’s forces to Romania to help out. Above that, the Germany public elected a pro-ATLANTIS president after years of being under the reign of DKN and co. Some great, warm and friendly Germans like Starkad, Nolan, Isy,… showed up on the ATLANTIS board and showed that Germany was doing great. Then things started changing…. Suddenly Sweden notified me they wanted to attack Germany. Only one month after that very same Sweden had proposed to let them in btw.
So just so you all can grasp the hypocrisy of this situation I’ll write it again: Sweden proposes Germany to ATLANTIS with lots of pooha of how they are best friends now=> Germany joins ATLANTIS, loses all it’s Austrian regions for us but does not complain=> one month later that very same Sweden (under presidency of kaleholm) wants to kick Germany out and invade it!!!!!!
The reason for this attack: “The Swedish ppl are bored and some guy contacted me to write an article about e-rep in a RL newspaper. With a war we will draw more ppl to us”. So basically our little Swedish president is getting a little attention horny and wants to get his head in the newspaper so Germany has to die.
We proposed all kinds of plans to solve this in a diplomatic way ofcourse. We proposed that Sweden would make a path trough Germany all the way to the Netherlands, invade them and then give back the german regions. Germany had no problem with that, but the Swedish didn’t wanted that. Everyone would help with this plan and it was brilliant. It would have a been a perfect plan for a great war where everyone would come out happy but the Kaleholm didn’t wanted that. Like a kid that didn’t get the Pokémon he wanted, he held his leg stiff. “no Holland, I want Germany”.
Here are some of the plans Loewy (polish president proposed)
Sweden then proposed to hold a vote to kick Germany out of ATLANTIS. As several of the other countries didn’t wanted to go this far and first give priority to diplomacy, I was asked by Scrabman (and many other presidents supported this) to put the vote on hold until this situation would have been resolved.
Me still thinking that a peaceful solution is always the best way forward and that Sweden was actually prepared to negotiate, I putted the vote on hold. Several countries proposed to moderate this negotiation for something else, but Kaleholm kept his leg stiff. He wanted Germany and would get Germany. Fuck the others.
Okey, so we kept on negotiating. Searched for other solutions. Not one worked out well. Until kaleholm proposed the following to the Germans
This is Sweden’s offer to Germany to repair our tarnished relations:
Sweden will be granted the following regions permanently: Schleswig-Holstein, Mecklenburg, Lower-Saxony, NorthRhine-Westphalia. Also, if Sweden later on requires, Rhineland-Palatinate shall be transferred to Sweden.
Germany will pay Sweden 200 gold per month in 6 months. This sum of gold is only a deposit and will be paid back to Germany after the 6th payment from Germany with 200 gold each month until the sum is paid back. If a RW is started in any of the Swedish-German regions and the region is lost, the deposit will forever belong to Sweden.
If any of the Swedish-German regions is lost to Germany they are obliged to return it to Sweden.
Germany will not be a member of Atlantis. However, they will be under Atlantis’ protection.
You've got 24 hours to come up with a answer, 00:00 18/5 2009.
Regards
Kalle Holm
President of Sweden
I first thought this was a joke when I first saw this. 200G every month?!?!?!?!?!? How can a country like Germany ever pay that. Even a child knows that a country like eGermany isn’t capable of paying that! Above that they had to give away 1/3th or their territory!!! What sane president would ever agree with such therms? All that for protection? What are we? The mafia???? I seriously got that feeling after I read that proposal. “What is basically said was: you give me every month 200G and 1/3 of your country and you’ll get our protection. Otherwise we’ll destroy you.“
ATLANTIS has always been an organization ruled and government with honor, dignity and respect for all. The proposal above has neither one of them. I would find it mocking and even insulting to be send such a proposal. And I'll be dammed if I ever would let the alliance turn into some e-crime organisation. Above that, with the strategic retreat of Romania to their original regions, there was much confidence in the ATLANTIS armies anymore.
I would like to add to this btw that what Romania did was a brilliant move. I don’t know who proposed it to retreat to the original regions, but it was a great move. The PEACE propaganda machine immediately turned it into “ATLANTIS is losing” and “Romania has thrown in the towel”. But this is far from the case. Romania still is military seen the most superior nation in e-world. They just got, as stated above, out-cheated by PEACE. Once these bugs are fixed, or Romania found a way get on the same level as cheating as Indonesia, the true power of Romania will be seen again to the world and WSR will be in their control again. Do not make the pathetic mistake to think Romania is dead. It’s far from dead. It’s taken positions and is waiting,… waiting for a chance to get back to the superpower it was 3 weeks ago.
Where was I? … ah yes. Sweden attack Germany. Germany had and MPP with the UK and USA. Both countries saw the proposal given by the Swedes and immediately felt that it was an immoral, insulting and ridiculous proposal. Hence many citizens stood by Germany in this fight, despite our Presidents saying we should remain neutral. Romania and Sweden saw this as treason (like we can control our own citizens) and after some talks, some words fell and the US official Eugene Harlot left. I was personally accused by Romanian and Swedish officials because I’ve put the vote on hold. I do not regret this action, nor do I feel that I acted wrong. I did what I was asked by other presidents and I acted in the beliefs that a diplomatic solution could be reached, unaware that the Swedish president was only out for war.
So that, the story of the end of ATLANTIS. I hold 2 ppl to blame for the end of the ATLANTIS-project.
-Firstly the Admins and the e-rep team for making a game that is so filled with bugs and so focused on profit that they have totally lost control over it. If it weren’t for the incompetence of the Admin team Romania would have now been in Indonesia.
-Secondly Kaleholm, Current president of Sweden, for his persistence in going to war with Germany, knowing (and several times warned) in advance that it would destroy ATLANTIS internally.
I am sad on one part. I would had always imagined that we would last for many years and eventually would die in an epic battle against PEACE. I'm glad that ppl like Zocky(fail), Dish, Collins and those other ATLANTIS-haters won't get the honour of bragging that they brought down ATLANTIS. Since it isn’t PEACE that destroyed us. No, we destroyed ourselves internally. PEACE has had no hand in any of this.
I myself feel that I have failed towards Meiko, the previous SG of ATLANTIS. She gave me a wonderful, strong alliance and although I have done everything I could and feel that I have no blame in this situation, I feel sad that now that she is back, I cannot give her a proud, wonderful and strong alliance back. I am sorry Meiko, I have honestly tried everything I could. I've done my best, gave countless hours and countless long evenings for this alliance, as did many others. I know I've done everything I could for ATLANTIS and I have no regrets as SG whatsoever. I want to thank everyone that ever believed in ATLANTIS and kept believing in it and what it stood for, for their support. I want to thank PEACE for their great battles (though not for the last one) and I want to thank all the presidents and who did everything they could in these past 2 weeks to keep everything together.
I want to thank the Romanian citizens for all the great wars they gave us. You truly are worthy of the title “military supernation of e-world”. There is no country stronger, military more sophisticated then you guys. I’m convinced that in a few weeks you’ll have WSR in your possession again and that Romania will be the supernation of before again. The world sees you as warmonger, but I have learned that Romania has some very friendly, very funny and very intelligent ppl in it’s country.
I also want to thank the USA. Always ready to help out the weak. Whenever someone is in need, the USA marines are only one PM away from action. The ppl on the eUSA forums have totally destroyed the bias I had about Americans dumb fat warmongering retards. I have now seen what a great ppl the USA really is. You guys hold the title of giving ATLANTIS my 2 favorite presidents of all time (Justinious and Scrabman). I thank you for your long lasting support to ATLANTIS and your hospitality on your forums.
My thanks also goes to Sweden. Probably the ally I’ve worked with the longest. Even when I was president of the UK during the Northern Alliance I’ve always loved working with the Swedish ppl. You also where always ready when you where need. You did the second most damage in the Romanian battle. For a country your size, that is incredible. Algeroth was a great president and so where the presidents before. Always putting the benefit of the alliance before that of the country. That’s how I will remember Sweden. Shame that your last president hadn’t learned that lesson. And probably the greatest asset (after the hot blonde Swedish girld with C-cups) of all: You guys have Misho!!!!!!! I’d, give all the gold our treasury for a Misho in eUK
😃
Norway. Such a shame about the TO a few months ago. We did all we could to prevent it but we ended up just a little bit short. We also go way back. All the way since the NA. I remember working with forconin back in the old days. The damage done in the battle of WSR, the first time we attacked was amazing! (65K on foreign soil is über for a country the size of Norway) Thanks for your support over the last year.
Finland with it’s Erwin!!! Remember all the laughs we had on the forums? Thanks for your support over the past year Finland. You truly are a great nation.
Spain. I loved working with you guys. We had a blast during French toast, didn’t we? I loved how every election you feared the French over and over again with TO attempts. Boy, you guys where great! When Spain goes in the offence, you can be dam sure about it that they do it properly!! Muchios gracias espagnol!
Poland. Working with you guys was awesome too. Crc and Loewy are great guys who given allot time to ATLANTIS and the ATLANTIS cause. I worked with Crc in AIS and he has always been a very competent person. Thanks for you support guys.
Canada. Great country with great ppl. You guys fought awesomely in France. Thanks for all you’ve done for ATLANTIS our time together.
Croatia. If I’ve learned one thing, it’s that out of all of Europe, the Croatians are by far the funniest. I’ve had a blast of a time with Roby, kokach and the others, joking around about Zocky(fail) laughing on the IRC but when the time of need is there, there’s no better guy have your back then a Croatian. Thanks for the support, I’ll miss our great times.
Greece and Israel. I am glad that the last proper action of ATLANTIS is to free some of your regions. You’ve been trying to get those back now for so long and I’m glad that is partly done. Makoulian is a great with a superb intel service. I’m sorry we couldn’t complete the job and free all your regions, but who know, in time that might work. I hope that people will see this action liberation of Greece and Israel as ATLANTIS’s last action and not the invasion of Germany.
Bosnia & Herzegovina. Though your time in ATLANTIS was short, I do wish to thank you for choosing us. Thanks guys and I hope your country has a magnificent future ahead of you.
Germany. I wish to apologize for what happened. You gave up your union for ATLANTIS when you could have joined PEACE and remain intact. There is no greater proof of loyalty then that. I am truly sorry for what happened, but I hope and wish that you will be able to shake of the Swedish attack.
UK, finally. The Country I’ve always e-lived. Always morals first, always criticizing but yet always warm to welcome towards new ppl. You know how I feel about eUK so I won’t spend more wall of text on it then I already did. But just know that you are great that and that I am more then thankful for all the support over the years.
Further I want to thank everyone, all the former presidents, all the former MoD’s all the former MoFa’s, intel directors, SG’s and SC’s, all the former economy advisors and basically everyone who’ve always kept believing in ATLANTIS, what it stood for and It’s principals. To you all I say “hail!!!” I also want to thank PEACE for all the fun we’ve had. I will never forget opp French toast, it was one of the most epic moments in e-history, as was the battle in WSR.
All that rests me to say now is that I just hope, that the Citizens of PEACE and the ATLANTIS-haters, will show some respect and dignity for the all the people that have put so much of their time and effort in this alliance and would refrain from posting anti-ATLANTIS slogans.
Signed for the last time as
Shadowukcs
ATLANTIS Secretary-General
Freedom!
Democracy!
Power!
ATLANTIS!!!!!!
HAIL ATLANTIS!!!!!!!!
PS: I have one last trick in my sleeve for PEACE. One last ownage of ATLANTIS and more precisely AIS. But I’ll post that up tomorrow or in 2 days.
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pertañax
Meiko was better
but hey! you are a bit good too
good riddance
FURRYMAXXXX
:'(
"Indo simply out-cheated us by far. I’m not going to deny some ATLANTIS citizens didn’t used cheats coz then I’d be lying, but the simple fact is that Indo was just better at it and did it on a bigger scale."
This is so pathetic and annoying...
Admins make the facts clearly about the cheatings...
1. Romania and Spain used the fake golds, not Peace this time... no compensation from admins
2. Romania used the daychange bug, not Peace... no compensation from admins
3. Romania got big "baby boom", whit fake/multi accs, not Peace, to higher the walls in Podolia and WSR, no compensation from admins
4. Indonesian fighters used cheat Q5 weapons. admins give compensation UNDER the fights...
So you can do the math... 3:1 for Atlantis in use cheats, and exploits, and you say the Indo fighters simply out-cheated you? LOL
I must say that, BAN ALL THE CHEATERS from BOTH SIDE, becouse they ruined the game.
How can you ask for a bit of respect from PEACE nations, when you specifically state that PEACE nations cheated more than Atlantis nations, which is next to being complete rubbish also insulting to all those people who didn't cheat and won fights fair and square.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Didn't know emos were active in "ATLANTIS"
Respect...
@ dionysus; because they found 3 times a "how to" on bug abuse on peace country forums, and didn't use those cheats themselves (and handed them out) but reported them.
I'm not claiming it's true or whatever, it's what shadow said and if he thinks so, it's good reason for stating what he said
Rauko: maybe it's 3:1 in amount but not in quality.
:/
hapik!
Not in quality?
Battle of Sardinia? Spain and Romani army win that battle whit full fake golds, nealry against the full Peace army (go and count how many mpp was on our side)!
Battle of Dunbas!
We saw when the daychange bug give lots of point to the wall, and we losed a battle what should be win (as was win later).
The fake babys give around 800-800 "people" to the populations of WSR and Podolia... that makes half of the wall was fake (the wall was around 370000 Both in Podolia and WSR, while the Admins give "only" 220000 points to Romania to compansate the Q5 weapon cheats)!
If you not see the propaganda, only the facts you will see, that the cheating ruining the game, but BOTH Side got realy big cheats.
So I say, ban all the cheaters.
But other than this pathetic cheating story, I can say, how looks like the collaps of the Atlantis.
I saw the battles from that time, when Hungary start to make his fitrst step to retake the original regions back... and I say when most of the Peace countries sacraficed nearly everithing if that was needed, to help the others, there was no selfish actions from them... while I saw, the first, the secound WSR battle, and the other misslead battles from Atlantis... at the first and secound WSR battle, the Atlantis moved as a good, and big alliances... but after that something is broked (mybe it is started whit the USA Mexico misslead war?)... and the last WSR battle half of the military power fighted in the misslead battles, instead of WSR (like the USA tanks in the battle of ESR, whit the dmg over 10000), and after that everibody start to search somebody to be blamed, while I think not only 1 person, or nation can be blamed for this...
Despite I am French, I hope a new alliance (or maybe two) will raise from the ashes !
The non-cheating common citizens of ATLANTIS nations have my full respect for putting up a good fight in all the great battles we had! Good game, guys, keep it up - doesn't matter whether we are opponents or allies, we'll keep having fun!
To the arrogant leaders who destroyed ATLANTIS with their egomania - sorry, no respect! You wielded superb power and got corrupted by it, and brought about the alliance's downfall - EPIC FAIL for you.
There's a very important confession in the article - that Romania's interests always came first and because of that ATLANTIS often failed to pay adequate attention to other issues in the alliance. With time the accumulation of such issues brought about tension and lack of unity. That's why Romania got totally pwned by the superbly-coordinated PEACE push across Asia and the Ukraine - Romania shared only the burden of increasing and defending its empire, but not the spoils of war, so many allies didn't care to fight for the always hungry Romanian empire anymore.
In this sense you are right - PEACE doesn't bear the main credit for ATLANTIS's sinking, Romania does. Sweden's aggression only planted the cross on the grave, so to speak.
R.I.P. ATLANTIS! You won't be missed.
"The non-cheating common citizens of ATLANTIS nations have my full respect for putting up a good fight in all the great battles we had!"
In this, I can agree fully! Lots of player in Atlantis never cheated, and fighted greatly, not they who deserved the bans.
A lot of Atlantis citizens get my respect, but shadowukcs is not one of them. You started the whole cheatingwhine as soon as you knew that you failed as an SG.
Go cry some more.
Respect to all real Atlantis players.
Hail to Atlantis!
elbanaan, still can't see how it is not insulting for those nations and citizens that didn't use cheats and even though you are saying that cheats were reported, it can't be denied that citizens (or nations) from Atlantis did use cheats (it's not without reason that many Spanish people got banned).
I only have respect for the people that fight fair.
@elbanaan: Like those on the Spanish forums? If you had find these why didnt I ever hear about it :/?
I've been on the peace irc and forum for ages, never has any bug been unreported. We've sent in reports on the last goldabuse long before it became public, finding suspicious donationlogs and organizations which turned out to be cheaters. Ffs, I've wasted so many time on reports, while rather using that time for more useful things for my alliance.
We've seen players from multiple nations cheat and being banned, both sides. But this crying is just lame, I can't call it anything else. I respect a lot of players within Atlantis (not the idea of Atlantis, at the time bunching up 5 of the 6 largest nations for world domination...which turned out to be Romanian world domination), but shadowukcs managed to ruin his reputation the last couple of days.
What the hell? ATLANTIS is no more? I'm pissed.
We can all agree:
1)Fix the game
2)Ban all cheaters
By the way congratz Hungary on 729 new citizens yesterday. Very impressive.
Sonny, now that you mentioned that there's an epidemic of new players in eBulgaria too - we are afraid those might be multies created for a PTO attempt! I hope we're wrong, but one never knows.
Out of curiosity, why did the second plan above involve Sweden taking my home region of Southern Bohemia?! We Czechs are neutral, how could the Polish president be prepared to negotiate for us?
Whaaaaaaaaa....! Sweden is so evil! Whaaaaaaa......!
Sweden is the best country in the world and it's time for it to expand the borders. FOR SWEDEN!
"Americans dumb fat warmongering retards"
wow, that's some opinion to hold about your allies! 🙂
I'm not repeating my comment here, but it would be nice if they all where on the same page. Previous article (http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-farewell-to-arms1-806476/1/all) has more comments already, so it might be easier to keep it there. Or? 😁
ATLANTIS did end up acting like the mafia, some of it soldiers did see that.
@ people @ me:
I didn't say it was true or anything, or that there was nothing on other country forums.
I just believe shadow that they never endorsed cheating on the peace forums. And he is just being shadow and seeing it from 1 side like he always does 😁
you get used to it after a while.
You should see him and dish (another one who only sees it his way) going at eachother.
One thing you forgot:
Germany was never a member of Atlantis. Only TRIAL member with no further action taken after trial period ended.
Read the question/answer post by the Swedish president himself:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-swe-president-of-sweden-answers-806326/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-swe[..]/1/20
ATLANTIS is not Dead! No I refuse to accept that! ATLANTIS can still survive, just DON'T GIVE UP!
I didn't give up! I still believe in ATLANTIS, I was still working for preserving ATLANTIS in the last 3 days! PMing Scrabman, Sara.Droz, searching for info, helping Canada.
And why weren't we told that ATLANTIS has fallen before this Announcement?
Hail Atlantis!
Romania will raise again!
Goodbye ATLANTIS, we will miss you.
Although my country is a member of PEACE GC I'm quite disappointed and sad to read this. This game will never be the same without nasty and tricky Atlantis. With only one military alliance left eRepublik will surely become a dull place to live, work and fight in. I hope unipolar moment won't prevail and that we'll have completely new alliance formed in the short run.
Unipolarity equals Boredom
Goodbye Atlantis, I will miss you.
Thanks, Shadow,
You did a tremendous job against odds that turned out to be impossible.
ATLANTIS is now dead, due to the greed of some of its' members. I'm sorry about that.
For some that is cause for grief, for others, joy.
But liberty, under whatever name, will never be fully suppressed, as long as humans are human, even in a game.
Jon Barack Bluejacket
American Patriot
Fighter for whoever's losing at the moment
Pff. PEACE were always better than ATLANTIS. I've always thought we should join them.
Shadowukcs, I just don't get how Romania's winning in Asia could have stopped Sweden. You said kaleholm was going to attack anyway. You can blame the admins and the developers for Atlantis losing against Peace, whether you are right or not, but the only one you should blame for Atlantis having a miserable end is kaleholm.
You are watering up facts with your emotions in this article.
Other than that, I thank you very much for the background story, I learnt a lot from it.
Good luck!
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Grakulan, oh, the irony! Never mind.
:'(
You're a class guy, shadowukcs. Too bad Atlantis was so opaque. It might've had more public support. But you moved it in the right direction, for sure, and for that you have my thanks. Best of luck & don't be a stranger. 😉
Hail ATLANTIS! A sad day when someone's search for fame brings down an international alliance built on trust, mutual protection, and helping one another stave off the raids of PEACE.
Good buy Atlantis, i miss you.
How could Swedens administration get so much support for destroying Atlantis. There was so many warnings, but it seams that at last many dont care about ATLANTIS. I found a lot of friends in ATLANTIS.
And im really glad, to know eCountrys who belive in Freedom and morality like the USA and the UK for example. And there is hope.
Were light is, darkness will vanish. kalleholms administration will end to.
Shame to see Atlantis going out with a crappy article like this. This really looks like something you should have written in your personal newspaper if anything, since every piece of fact is presented by adding your personal opinion.
Also, you cant bother spelling Algaroth and/or Kalle correctly?
UK most certainly didnt keep ATLANTIS alive anyway. Some of you are even stabbing sweden in the back. Thx for nothing.
Freedom!
Democracy!
Power!
ATLANTIS!!!!!!
HAIL ATLANTIS!!!!!!!!
dude good article!!
God Save eUK and the rest of atlantis
This is BIG:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/i-found-the-foh-forum-on-behalf-of-matthew-orlandini--807076/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/i-fo[..]/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/major-threat-to-euk-i-found-the-foh-forum-on-behalf-of-matthew-orlandini--807076/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/majo[..]/1/20
Greetings from Argentina you suckers!