A better "Media Module" [RO/EN]
MoonlightShadow
Mi-am amintit si eu cat de mult mi s-a acrit de media, si modul in care este folosita media. Orice baietel isi poate face ziar sa ne spuna cum se joaca el Warcraft, unii tin sa ne pocaiasca si sa ne prezinte Lucrarea lui Dumnezeu, iar dragii bisnitari ocupa jumatate din media, iar mai nou atat de tare se mananca intre ei, incat dupa ce le iese anuntul cu vanzarea lor de paine, hop il sterg si-l republica. Nesimtire? Spam? Neputinta?
Media este unul dintre putinele lucruri care ar trebui sa ATRAGA in acest joc, dar la cum arata..mai degraba indeamna cetatenii la sinucidere. Mi se pare doar mie sau "cineva" ar trebui sa ia masuri, sa se ocupe de aspectele astea?
Mie unuia mi-ar placea si as juca cu placere in continuare eRepublik daca media ar arata cam asa:
-dublarea 5-ului. Adica 10 stiri latest, top rated national, top rated international.
-scoaterea complet in afara legii a anunturilor de vanzari . De ce avem shout-ul ala daca nu pentru mesaje scurte "vand paine, 1 ron, PM me". Ca doar in shout nu se discuta strategii si ordine. Cum ar veni shout-ul este inutil celor care vor sa scrie mai mult de o fraza, dar in acelasi timp bisnitarii publica articole mai scurte decat literele la dispozitie in shout. Cand se ajunge ca jumatate din articole sa fie de vanzare, atunci te poti spala cu ea pe cap de media. Articole importante, cu ordinede lupta sunt ingropate in 25 de minute de articole de vanzari, iar faptul ca situatia persista este bataie de joc. Bisnitarii pot folosi shout-ul, in cel mai buncaz pot folosi comment in articole, desi e discutabil acest lucru din urma. Dupa popularizarea regulii, cine o incalca si continua sa spameze media ar trebui sa primeasca forfeit points.
-scoaterea in afara legii publicarea intr-o limba necunoscuta. In tara x publici ori in limba tarii x, ori in engleza, ori in limba y dar neaparat si-n engleza.
-Spam-ul de tot felul trebuie controlat MULT MAI DES. Degeaba un articol spam care prezinta moda este sters dupa 8 ore, articolul cu ordinul de lupta oricum a fost ingropat de el. Ok, cel care a facut spam a invatat sa nu mai faca (poate).Asa, si? S-a invatat ala minte, dar zilnic se nasc cetateni, zilnic se nasc spam-eri.
-retragearea dreptului de vot pe articole pentru organizatii. Aici este un non-sens cras: o organizatie nu poate vota politic pe motiv ca organizatia este detinuta de un cetatean, care cetatean poate sa aiba 30 de organizatii si sa influenteze alegerile politice in tara. Asa, si? Care-i diferenta la articole? Nu tot la fel un cetatean poate sa aiba 30 de organizatii si sa popularizeze fals un articol? Asta chiar ma depaseste, nu gasesc niciun motiv pentru care o organizatie care costa 5 gold amarati poate vota un articol.Probabil in Republica sunt mai multe organizatii decat cetateni (eu unul am 5 organizatii, si am 6 luni, altii mai vechi au mult mai multe), deci, chiar e non-sens.
-votul negativ. S-a argumentat ca nu se poate implementa votul negativ fiindcam, ironic, cineva cu multe organizatii, sau grup de cetateni cu multe organizatii, pot "ingropa" un articol oarecare. Ironic,protejam mediul politic de votul de pe org-uri, dar recunoastem ce influenta negativa au org-urile in media. Si totusi le lasam capacitatea de votare. Daca articole ar fi votate DOAR DE CETATENI REALI, atunci chiar nu vad nicio problema ca articolele sa fie votate negativ, si sa aiba unele + 60 de voturi, altele -100 voturi. Dar fiindca org-urile pot vota, un prim pas ar putea fi implementarea votului negativ, dar FARA EFECTE asupra votului pozitiv. Adica, presupunand ca un articol a primit 50 voturi cu "+" si 70 voturi cu" -", el sa apara cu 50 de voturi, dar sa fie trecut acolo si numarul de voturi negative. Macar ca reparatie morala,asa..
Eu unul chiar m-am saturat..toti cetatenii normali sunt de acord ca este dincolo de orice nesimtire ce se intampla, cu spam-ul, cu avalansa de bisnitari, am vazut si cateva articole care au luptat impotriva spam-ului. Chiar asa, nu ne baga nimeni in seama?
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[EN VERSION]
I`m reading some articles and I remember how sick and tired I am about the “media” module. Every little boy can create a newspaper and tell us how he`s playing Warcraft, others want us to return our face toward the True God, and traders occupied half of the media. Lately the competition it`s so ferocious that black-market traders re-publish their selling articles as soon as they`re out of “latest five”.
Media should be one of the things which ATTRACTS people, but the way it looks now rather pushes citizens toward suicide. Is it only me, or “someone” should take care of these problems?
I would love and play eRepublik happily if media would look this way:
-double the "5". I would like 10 latest news, 10 national top rated, 10 international top rated, on the main page.
-publishing selling articles in newspaper should be against the law. Why the hell do we have shout box? Not for such 4 words announcements “I sell 5 foods”? We don`t discuss strategies in shouts, but in articles. When half of the articles belong to traders of one kind or another, then you can screw the so-called “media module”. Important articles, like orders to fight, are “buried” in terms of 30 minutes by Spam and traders. They should use shout box, not publishing 5 words articles “i`m selling my cat, my mother, and a q1 weapon, PM me for price”. Also they could use comments in other articles, but no way publish over and over again their damn selling spam.
- publishing in an unknown language should be against the law. If you publish in country X, either you publish in X country`s language, either you publish in English, either in language Y but doubled by English or country`s X language. This is hard, but in a way or another there must be shown some respect for the thousands of citizens that don`t understand one`s word written in their own country. Maybe the media seection should be individually for each country, no matter if a country it`s conquered? That would need citizenship implemented..
-Spam, all kind of it, should be moderated much often. It`s useless to delete a spam article 8 hours later. The article of MoD with fight orders, was buried anyway.Ok, the spammer learned his lesson, won`t do it again (maybe). Yeah, so? New citizenz get born every day, new spammers born every day.
-No voting of articles by organizations. This really is a non-sense. An organization can`t place a political vote because a citizen can own let`s say 30 orgs, hence influence elections results. So? What`s the difference when it comes to media? Same citizen can boost up a article, the same way, influence the “reality” . I just can`t understand that, I see no reason that an org, costing only 5 gold, can vote articles. Probably there are more orgs in eWorld than real citizen ( I`m owning 5, and i`m just 6 months old), this is just non-sens. Few friends can join their voting power and bring an article like “let`s get out of Atlantis” to 100 votes, which resembles the wish of just a few.
-negative vote. Ironical, it was argued that negative vote can`t be implemented, because a group of interests can join votes force and “burry” an article. Funny, it`s ok the same group of interest to do the opposite . If articles would be voted ONLY BY REAL CITIZENS AND NOT BY ORGANIZATIONS, than I see no reason why negative vote can`t be implemented. If 100 citizens vote “+” and 140 vote “-” then the article shiuld be rated “-40” votes. Clean, easy and fair. But because orgs can vote, a first step could be the implementation of negative vote, but with no effects over the rating. Just to be there, a negative number, a moral reparation, just some thumbs down.
Comments
de-acord cu scoaterea votului de pe organizatii. asa s-ar vedea adevarata valoare a articolelor unora.
The negative vote will be used as a battle tool. If someone publishes a good article in Romanian 100 Hungarians could give it a negative vote in an hour.
I agree, ORGs should not vote!
Domnle, eu as imparti toata presa in trei categorii mari si late. Chestiunile serioase, mica publicitate si faptul divers.
votado
Daca nu va veni de la admini schimbarea, nu se va produce. Jucatorii inteleg numai daca-i iei cu forta, nu cu vorba buna.
Moon cad iese articolul tau din latest5, reincep lupta...
I would put another two top5/10 section on media, one just for advertisements and one for purely governmental articles.
Also I would create themes for the articles, and sort them by that too; e.g. political, military, literature, ads, humour, betting, and IRL.
Orgs should not vote, I agree.
Negative votes are not necessary is media is sorted in such way; but I would like to retract my vote if I want to.
@ Dr. Piftilian Ojdieru - Problema e ca nu ai cum sa ii opresti sa posteze Publicitate in zona de chestii serioase 🙂 Eventual sa ia forfeit points dar asta inseamna o groaza de munca pe partea adminilor ... Monitorizat toata presa din toate tarile.
Chestia cu scoaterea voturilor de pe Organizatii mi se pare de bun simt ...
Si voturi negative sunt o treaba dar dupa cum s-a mai zis poti sa ai un grup de 100 de oameni care sa dea vot negativ la comanda si cu treaba asta o dam in altele
Will be nice if you won`t use this paper to expose your personal opinion, but unforgettably I don`t think you can.
You try to be smart in international article and you show your value in romanian ones. Smart move and I prefer a spam than seeing you insulting everyone and after they respond seeing you go crying to admins and ask there ban.
Pathetic !
Cu multe puncte sunt de acord, insa...
Votul negativ, poate sa afecteze si intr-un sens rau.
Despre organizatii: nu pot fi decat de acord; ar fi foarte interesant de vazut atunci numarul de voturi al unora care privesc rece.
O imbunatatire la report abuse, si 3 categorii: publicitate; daca apar in timp scurt report abuse pe categorie diferita, sa-i fie schimbata destinatia. Dar din nou, trebuie controlat procesul.
Altfel spus: AVEM NEVOIE DE MODERATORI, DAMN IT!
[RO]
Si eu am spus la fel... cu destul de mult timp in urma (cred ca aveam o saptamana in joc):
- Gruparea pe categorii a sectiuniii "Media";
Si da! - si eu subcriu la ideea ca ORG-urile sa nu voteze; iar legat de votul negativ, ii dau dreptate lui Zoli.
[ENG]
I came with the same ideea, some weeks ago:
- the "Media" section must be groupped in categories;
and Yes! I subscribe also for ORGs not to have the right to vote;
about the negative vote, I agree with Zoli's opinion.
yeah lots of things COULD be done..but i just don`t dare to dream about perfect media, with separate sections, etc, if we just can`t get rid of 20 selling articles/day and 10 spam ones.
@ochireci: write me in romanian, so that i would have a chance to understand your words. Thanks
ar mai fi bine ca la sa existe cel putin 3 persoane oficiale care sa poata da massmail. in situatii de razboi in care articole de lupta sunt date la coada informatia nu mai ajunge si la berbeci.
sau sa existe o coloana cu posturile oficiale care sa ramana mereu prezente pana cand tot o perosana oficiala posteaza altceva
- publishing in an unknown language should be against the law. If you publish in country X, either you publish in X country`s language, either you publish in English, either in language Y but doubled by English or country`s X language.
O , freedom of speak I believe is not something you know. So all Hungary and Russian people from Romania, learn our language or this dude will Kill you 😁))) Pathetic
"Every little boy can create a newspaper and tell us how he`s playing Warcraft, others want us to return our face toward the True God, and traders occupied half of the media"
We know , we see you, I repeat myself that`s why you have a paper to say how emo you are in English and to prove how you really are in romanian articles. You are a crying boy who require attention so I hope entire world will subscribe to this newspaper and laugh to your jokes.
Hey what happen with your last article from yesterday when you insult me in 10.000 words isen`t that a boy behaivor or is just a mistake.
Will you go again and cry to Admins and ask to ban me because I comment in your paper ? 😁)
I guess it is not about the media-module any more ... 🙁
OchiReci: the pathetic dude it`s yourself...the priest that collects money from the people in his "Church", then gives wellness back to the people in exchange of votes, moreover became even a field marshal in the name of the "church" 😉 That`s what I call pathetic 😁
All i`ve done is to let know the newly born citizens what your business are..no insults, relax, sit down, breath 😁)
@quicksilverl: pardon OchiReci.. he dreams for over a year to become Romanian`s President, but everybody just laugh of him..Because he`s just a bad joke..still, he owns a church that it`s good to offer free wellness to the people two-days before elections, and I`m telling this to the new citizens in last article of mine..hence he`s crazy about me now, i`m ruining his business and hopes 😁
ar mai trebui sa fie si o limita pe zi la publicarea articolelor...asa nu o sa mai vedem articole de 1000 de ori de la acelasi user cu vand etc
I think the negative vote is a great idea. It's a good idea too to not let the orgs vote, either comment because it's a noname comment. Publishing in an "onknown" language as you called it shouldn't be against the law becuse it would mean the erasing of minority articles in every country
What you did is to comment about something you wish but you can`t make.
I offer almost 10.000 wellness points, over 100 house q1-q4 and over 500 food from q1-q3 from my Church in last 9 month so you are jealous.
You come in this game 6 months ago and you think you are good. Do you think I`m impress about your small group of clones , excuse me friends I wan`t to say that comment against me in your previous article 😁
I`m still amuse, very amuse 😁 and this is still a emo article and a emo behavior 😁)
Moon, this is some kind of an record... This is the last article written in last half hour... I told you, we can win this war...
Quote Quicksilver:
"I guess it is not about the media-module any more ... 🙁"
Nora, unfortunatelly you're very right. 😐
De acord cu moon.Media trebuie impartita pe categorii.
Agree with the author.Media section should be split into categories.
Parinte nu vrei sa faci si tu un gest frumos si sa te intorci la biserica ? Ai bani de numarat , painica de cumparat ...
Si te rog nu mai scrie in engleza EVER ... Daca nu le ai nu le ai ... Inceteaza sa te mai faci de ras degeaba .
@charlie50: no, it`s a matter of respect here..minority can write as much as they want, but respect the other thousands of citizens in the country that don`t understand their language. All they need to do is to translate in English their articles. That`s all.
@ochireci: " excuse me friends I wan`t to say that comment against me in your previous article"
translate pls either Romanian or French or English, i`m not understanding this language.
@Roscatul: indeed, this is really strange
I agree the 5to10, and the nonOrg-Vote, but what about the occupied countries?
One day we will invade Romania. The Whole.
Do you want to learn Hungarian to read the news?
Moon I voted this article with all my ORGs 🙂
Everyone has the possibility now, to see, how a romanian thinks.
Use of other language should be banned...
(All Szeklers must be killed, right?)
Stupid...
It is your national charasteristic. That should be STOPPED!
Unsubscribed.
@VLewinski: but you can put a brief summary in English to the bottom of the page.
And I agree with the orgs non-voting idea.
@vlewinsky: "@charlie50: no, it`s a matter of respect here..minority can write as much as they want, but respect the other thousands of citizens in the country that don`t understand their language. All they need to do is to translate in English their articles. That`s all."
A romanian thinks that if i`m publishing in indonezia either i publish in their language either in english, either in Romanian + English.But not only in Romanian.It`s a matter of respect.
@VLewinski: don't judge a nation, that's more than hippocracy.
Look at OchiReci's comment.
@Vlewinski: azért egy kis tartást, és illemtudást legalább az idegenek előtt!
Gata, stiu: SA COSTE PUBLICAREA ARTICOLELOR!
NU MAI LUPTATI IN NORTHERN GREAT PLAN !!!!!1
ORDINE OFICIALE :
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/ordine-presedintele-romaniei-joi-19-03-757676/1/20
[ VOTEAZA-L CA NU`TI CADE MANA ! ]
@hattor: sunt de acord.. sa coste 0.5 gold un articol !
Nu cred ca ajuta cu ceva Banii pe articol . Da spamul de la noobi o sa scada dar cei care fac bisnita isi permit sa scoata 0.5 gold sa posteze un articol .
The negative vote would be a good ideea with some restrictions.
Voting negative an article XY, from country Z can be expressed only by players from country Z.
There is no need for language restriction - you can resolve it in your country with negative votes.
Another useful improvement would be to vote on comments (like on youtube).
But in this case everyone should be able to express negative or positive votes.
What do you think?
MoonlightShadow, VLevinski has a small point there... I know it is a minor one but still... if you occupy a country (see the Russian case) you get a whole lot of people who might not speak other languages, not even enough English to translate whole articles. Translation after all is a job in itself, while playing the game requires only rudimentary English knowledge. So, one would think that imperialistic countries should be a bit more patient with unknown languages and demanding immediate translations. I do think that spam/ads is a more serious problem than an occasional article that you do not understand.
Quicksilver from org - voted of course 😛
Hi! it's a problem, and this symptom also appears in our(hungarian) media.
But there's nothing do against it. Monday I had been write an article against meaningless journalism, calling the censura alive. Commenters tell me, that I am an idiot despotist, and everybody has the right to write. I think, that criterias of founding newspapers are low. Most of the new founders have only two goals, to reach mogul medal, and entertain itself, not the audience. I think that's why teenager rockers founding dozens of newspapers, decreasing the overall quality of the media.
Please forgive me for my bad english.
Or you could translate the more interesting articles to English as you did in the last perioud.
@moon-circle: well,you`re right too, but what can we do?
I think this would be pretty simple, actually: why the hell must the "media" disappear when a country it`s conquered? In RL newspaper written in national language still can be found, no matter what. So, if Romania conquers Russia, then Russia should still have its own media section, just like before. Citizenship being active,that would be really simple,the system could show everyone the news in native language.
Adminii vor sa aiba o viata cat mai usoara, nu vezi ca nici macar nu stiu regulile jocului? Deci nu cred ca le surade ideea sa dea bann-uri pentru spam-uri.
Pana la urma latest 5 era pus doar asa, de forma, dar s-a dovedit foarte util. In prezent si-a pierdut toata utilitatea din pacate, asta e. Gratie compatriotilor nostri mai tineri..
Voturile negative iar nu sunt bune. Ungurii sunt mari blogerii sau mai stiu eu ce, ne-ar lua la rand fiecare articol si ni l-ar baga pe -500. Ar trebui sa voteze doar jucatorii din tara in care se emite articolul (care sa coste 0.5 gold 😉).
In concluzie, singura schimbare pe care o anticipez este ca voturile vor fi date doar de persoanele care locuiesc in tara in care e publicat articolul. Din pacate doar atat...
@IoMircea
si cu presa internationala cum s-ar face?
Sunt de acord, in general cu articolul.
Cred ca ar trebui lasat doar votul pozitiv. Cand ai 0 e clar ca nimeni nu te vrea.
pro 🙂
Presa internationala se poate citi dar nu si vota. Si dispare si Top 5 international, ca ar fi doar ziarele ungurilor acolo 😛
"publishing in an unknown language should be against the law"
That is so wrong I have a hard time deciding where to start 🙂
OK, respect for ignorance? I don't want others to respect my ignorance, I want help to decrease it! Sure, I don't have an education in Italian or Portuguese, but I can get at least some of the meaning. Similar thing with French. I welcome opportunities and motivation to get me further in every domain. And if I don't understand a text, I'm always free to ignore it...
But on a more obvious level: what about war? I'm currently residing in Portuguese territory, which was part of the USA when I'm started playing... yet it's originally part of Mexico. Shouldn't I be allowed to talk in Spanish, to show respect for the ignorance of the occupation forces? 😃
The rest of your suggestions were at least "more or less OK", up to "pretty good idea". Spam is a nuisance.
I don't understand, USA, Portuguese, Mexico or Spain?
In any country you may write in english or in the national language of that country. Else you may write in another language and have a summary in one of the previews languages.
IoMircera: He lived in Mexico. USA attacked Mexico and conquered the territory, so he became part of USA. Portugal counterattacked, so the territory become Portuguese. All this happened in about a 2 week period.
Guess why USA didn't help Romania in the defense of WSR. Because they were busy conquering Mexico. They hit about 200k into Mexico the day WSR was fought. Romania lost WSR whith what, about 2000? 20 000? You do the math.