Life in Austronesia. The Answers.
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by serenity16
Here our answer (at least my answer) to all "Austronesia" ( I prefer call you "Indoaussie") regarding your article about how misserable you are live under eIndonesia. Lets talk about it from your side and our side point of view.
1. The Government From your side, you said we ignore you, and treat you as second class citizens, and don't respect you by not publishing statements in english and the welcome message is written only in Bahasa Indonesia. And we were not listen to you and won't change for you.
From our side, like it or not you are live in eRepublik of Indonesia, and the national language is Bahasa Indonesia. If you don't understand it, you can ask our government nicely to put some english translation in the statements and the welcome message. Just as simple as that. Not by rumbling and whining about how we treat you unfair. And what do you know about respect? First, do you now why the war began at the first place? It's all because your president insulted our president (at that time). That's the trigger, not because our itchy finger. Second, we gave you opportunity to discuss about giving your freedom gradually, one step at a time. And at that time you insulted (again) our government. We even don't asked your gold to free those 2 regions. We are willingly to give them for free. But what did you say to us? Greedy !!! We've build those 2 regions, spend some golds and efforts, and once we offer those 2 regions to you for free, and you called us greedy ? So ridiculous. So once again, what do you know about respect ? You have to learn to respect us before you demand all of us to respect you. From my point of view, you are the one who need to learn respect and good diplomacy. None of this will ever happen if you knew that 2 important things, respect and good diplomacy. About second class citizens, that's all your fault. Since we occupied Australia, we build it. We gave q4 hospital, build some company, providing people some works, build community. And did you help? Nope. You just build your shell and live under it. How can you can be listen? We gave you a chance, and you throw it back to our face. Try to learn some manners.
2. Language barrier From your side, you said that every article an Indoaussie write, is barraged with comments in Bahasa Indonesia, and either ridiculing you or just impolite.
From our side, do you even know what the comments mean? Some of them give good comments. Just like isnuwardana said, we can understand english, but some of us don't have enough skill to write in english. So some of us write it in Bahasa Indonesia. And if you don't like if Indonesian give comments to your article, don't publish it in eRepublik of Indonesia. Like it or not you are part of eRepublik Indonesia now. And Bahasa Indonesia is the national language. And from my point of view, everybody have a right to give whatever comment in whatever language in whoever articles.
3. Parties From your side, you said we shot down every Indoaussie parties and we didn't give you a chance to integrate in Indonesian politics.
From our side, we see your parties are made to challenge eIndonesian government, so why we have to support them ? We haven't see any good effort from your side to integrate with us. All we can see and hear are just your whining, rumbling and your threaten. Is that called integrate? You separate yourself from us, so now you have nowhere for you to call home. We can understand that you want a place to call home, that's why we gave you a chance by starting a negotiation. But your delegation blew it and insulting us. They even threaten us. For you to know, we start the negotiation not because we're afraid of you and your ally. It started from the good deed of our government and from the hope that next time we can be a good neighbor. You want us to change for you? Change yourself first. I'm sorry for my english, but hey, so what ???? I'm an Indonesian citizen and Bahasa Indonesia is our national language not english !!! You don't like it, that's your problems, coz WE ARE THE WINNER!!!!!!!!
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pertamax.....
good job bro,
mantap.... mirip koment gw... tapi jauh lebih lengkap.... sekali lagi mantap.....
tetap....masalah itu aja yang diangkat lama-lama jadi bosen neh...
manthabz bo...
perang2, fight masih 0 nih, pengen setidaknya jadi corporal
happy beeing winner..
well, our fellow Australians. Now you know the truth about this whole mess, and why it began at the first place. Give your comments, so we can hear you and your side of story. We still have prove how your president insulted our president. And we also have prove about the negotiation and how your delegations insulted and threaten us. If you want to be heard, then speak.
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as you see aussies....we are able to read an english language and some of us able to write an english article.....
but.... we love BAHASA INDONESIA as our national language hohoho...
so please write a comment on this article , in "FRANCE LANGUAGE" *lol*
if aussie still stupid and arrogant after read this article.. then see u at battle field my fellow aussie..
ayo2 pada bangkit dari tidur!
Prepare for the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!!! gimme more ammo,ladies!!
please eCitizen do not insulting them any longer with Ur comments..as long as they want to merge and be part of the congress (for instance) and be part of the community (company, organization etc)...we will open handed to welcome U...
We are fellow eIndonesian, has manner, integrity, not Greedy (for sure) and kind....
U bring kindness...we will give U freedom...
PEACE and LOVE
Ah.. this is so good...
i'm waiting a comment on france language or any other language except animal language 😛
Agree and voted!
Clearly, both sides know that there is no chance diplomacy will ever work. There will be blood. There will be war.
buat jadi corporal butuh berapa super fights sih?
"build some company, providing people some works, build community. And did you help? Nope."
Just look at what we are doing at True Blue Tucker (not sure what it was formerly known as). It was up for sale so we bought it to give the owner some money and because it wasn't trading very well we had to shut it down. Rather than just firing everyone and leaving them on the street we offered them a new job with extra incentives and a settlement fee, how is that not helping people hold their work. Do you know what I got from it? Either rude comments or no response to the 2+ messages I sent asking them if they needed help or support, truthfully you need to get your facts straight. Your saying we are not helping, you do know its hard to help you when you don't respect us.
For what it is worth there are not that many Aussies left from before the war, so I will not be commenting on that as I myself was not alive at that stage.
Greed. Basically we asked for 3/6 regions to be guaranteed,including Perth or 5/6 not including Perth. Both sides wanted Perth and that was obvious. However while we were willing to negotiate Indonesia were clearly not in that sort of mood. You guys decided that you would offer Australia the two worst regions they had (only grain thankyou but then we are screwed for eternity due to not being large enough to import) (apart from Hobart which some people wanted to be the only region). Now I would have been happy to negotiate specifics but there were too many strings attached, too many if, buts or maybes and certainly too many uses of the word eventually.
I do not want to insult you but you offered Australia a solution that you knew we would not accept. We did not think you would offer what we wanted but we believed that there was a chance of negotiation.
It appears that we were wrong.
So we opt for war. I think that both nations believed it was a very real option. You claim that we showed disrespect? Well I think that respect has to be mutual and it must be said that you could not and would not respect Australia's situation in those talks.
Your English was fine and understandable and I thank you for your effort.
The argument for the language barrier doesn't make any sense. Without invading Australia, Australians would be able to speak in whatever native tongue that they could choose. However, they have to adapt since they can't choose whichever tongue they want to speak in anymore, hence the barrier.
This is going nowhere..
both sides have their own opinion.
both sides have done good and bad stuffs
eIndonesia has heard of what eAustralia's complaining (mostly about language and political position) and I'm quite sure that eIndonesia's goverment would like to find a way out of these problems in a peaceful way.
As for eAustralians, who'd already closed their heart and only aiming for rebellion (plus flamed by some FFF that's more than willing to help in joining war), I can't say anything other than.. see u at the battlefield then
@subpatriot1
there will be no blood, there will only bricks being stacked up higher than ever before if there is a war.
@walcottz
6 fights i guess
if you eAustralians can't accept the solution that eIndonesians give, then resolve it by yourself
well said my friend..... ayo ayo nabung senjata buat perang.. hehehe..
Ready to war..!!
For our fellows Australians, thanks for your comments. As you can see, from both of our side, there's some pro and contra. I personally, try to put myself in both side, what I'll feel if I'm an Australian, and what I feel as an Indonesian.
@Subpatriot1 if that's what you want, we are more than ready to see you at the battlefield. You can have many allies, but we never, ever afraid of you.
@corny-ratbag thanks for your input. This is the kind of thing that you all should do. Give some explanation to all citizens so you can be heard. Some of us maybe won't respect your effort, but some of us will.
@Tim09 In negotiation, there's something that called bargain. It's very rude that your delegation said something that insulted us and even more threaten us in the middle of the bargain. Actually we are willing to give you 3 regions for free, if you know how to make a good diplomacy. And that was the start.
And to all of you, my fellow Australian, if war the only option, we will not run from it. See you in the battlefield, mate.
Saya mohon maaf, tapi ini adalah air besar ... ini adalah Tanah Australia, dan Anda invaded untuk menguji modul baru perang, tidak bergantung pada wiki, memeriksa fakta ... Pasangan juga selalu membuat tantangan untuk kepemimpinan, dalam Bahkan, bidikan pihak bawah karena fakta ini istirahat eRepublik Hukum. "Apakah Anda suka atau tidak, anda sedang tinggal di eIndonesia, pasangan, hanya off air kecil, yang bullish, Anda tidak memiliki cukup tanah di Afrika Selatan dan negara Anda sendiri berdarah, Terakhir Waktu saya diperiksa, NSW telah di Australia, tidak Indonesia ... saya tidak akan posting ini dalam bahasa inggris
See, if you think my translation is bad in BAHASA, see what your English is like
@Serenity LOL, get your facts straight mate we were offered Canberra and both crappy RM, which was why we asked for Perth as well.
We were promised that if we did whatever the e-Indonesia's wanted we might get back three more regions.
Also if you didn't know, diplomacy is about leveraging your opposite to your advantage and seeking compromise, something that your delegation refused to do, at least we gave options. We were the only delegation except for maybe 2 from the Indonesian delegation who tried to work things out.
We have asked nicely, over and over and over again. And I applaud the Indonesians that did make an effort with the Aussies. It is like living at a strangers house even though we are the original owners, we are hardly able to know things that are going on because of no newspapers being published in English, (thank you to the person who wrote this one in English 🙂 ).
The only time your gov. started listening to us was when ours started talking war.
You say if we don't like how it is do something about it?
We are
The Indonesian propaganda machine is at its lies once again.
Isnuwardana, I respect you, but please stop spreading the lie about being insulted about being asked if you could read english as the start of the war, that's a terrible lie and hurts to think you would pass that as the reason YOU TOOK OUR HOME.
I'll write my response to this article, and tell you the truth from the lies, through another article, look out for it very soon.
I find it laughable that somebody would lecture Tim09 in diplomacy...he know his stuff
Jika aku dapat menggunakan penterjemah untuk berbicara u dapat melakukan hal yang sama untuk bahasa inggris.
My Indonesian isn't good but I will give it a go.
lols, 'if I can use a translator to talk to you, then you can use it for English'
well, seems true enough
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/personal-response-from-someone-with-experience--692072/1
"Since we occupied Australia, we build it. We gave q4 hospital, build some company, providing people some works, build community."
You built those to defend your backsides from future resistance wars and political takeovers... not to benefit us.
"You don't like it, that's your problems, coz WE ARE THE WINNER!!!!!!!!"
Certainly sounds like a "respectful" statement right there. Very diplomatic attitude, reflecting the same attitude at the negotiations..
You eIndonesians are scared stiff. You are all desperately trying to defend yourself by shifting the blame on us Aussies, trying to change the rest of the eWorld's opinions about your country's actions.. you fool no-one, the rest of the eWorld are now aware of what you have done. You shall now suffer the consequences.
@zaney It's the truth that your former president Neo26988 did insulted our former president. Maybe he didn't realize that his words could hurt our feeling. That's why you guys have to learn how to make a good diplomacy. One word wrong, you got trouble. Yes we took your home, coz you were weak. And for you to know isnuwardana have nothing to do with all of this. So stop accuse anyone, and that's the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
@ Ben P Way to go mate. Your translation is much better than taytaz.
@Tecchi There is no defend system in beta version. And we build the defend system after the v1 launched. And that mean we build our defend system after the negotiation failed. Let's get this fact right. So you feel hurt too when I said "You don't like it, that's your problems, coz WE ARE THE WINNER!!!!!!!!" That's how we feel when you called us greedy (not counting the other). We scare stiff ?? HAHAHAHA. We fool no one, and you just fool yourself.
peace, love and gaul...!!
"You don't like it, that's your problems, coz WE ARE THE WINNER!!!!!!!!"
- sounds pretty greedy to me... keep digging your hole deeper and deeper
@Tecchi We're digging the hole for your grave 🙂
serenity you are a very belligerant person.
Actually, this whole article does show to some point that the Indonesian side of Australia is listening, but i believe there is some misinterpretation going on, or at least some sort of mistakes being made.
Why would we reject the offer of the Indonesian Goverment which would return 2 of our home states back to our control, then call the Indonesians Greedy? Something doesn't seem right.
Oh, and the Whole newspaper language barrier, at the very least, can be easily solved. Indonesians can offer a (googled) English translation of their articles. No big bother, is it? In return, our Australian Articles should do the same, no jumping to the conclusions.
Now, hey, I was only born quite recently, and Alas, i was just fired (For no apparent reason... Guess i was a waste of company salary? I had no skill in that line of work so...)and for some reason, the system believes I'm still employed, so i can't work... at all)Back to the point, Austronesia is fielding all sorts of disputes. I have an idea for some of the Newspaper publishers though. Somebody write an article on the tension between Aussies and Indonesians as if they were on the Sidelines, in no way involved.
I do believe there are alot of misconceptions about both nations and there people, but I really honestly think that another shot at the land return offer should be made. We're Australians guys, who cares what they give us? Give us a crap hole, we'll build you a city, give us a wasteland, we'll build thriving corporations, my point is, take what your offered. If your offered a load of crap, then take it. Unless of course that crap is intentionally offered in offence to you, in which case it's probably best not to get your hands smuthered with crap.
thx.. Im happy to see u guys trying. Your bahasa Indonesia is perfect,
this is a great progress
Ollie Chase, that was my personal sentiment. Get what we can and then work for more.
However, Indonesians rubbed it in our faces by offering the two very worse territories.
The two very worse, not a single one that would make us anything but puppets to them, all our resources would have to come from overseas and we could hardly call ourselves 'autonomous'. So when the biggest alliance in the game offers you their support against the people who TOOK your land from you......you're not gonna offend your new friends.
Not to mention the 6 months of NOTHING untill I threatened with war.
Obviously Indonesia answered for a reason, let's try to guess what that reason was...
Strewth. This whole shenanigan sure ain't fair dinkum, that's for true. The war's going to be hard yakka, but I'm gunna enjoy it more than a Farmer's Union Iced Coffee.
Ohhhh, translator struggle there? Maybe us Aussie should start writing in Australian, instead of English. Really screw the Indonesians over. We can try to make them feel like the outsiders. Or publish all our articles in Dutch, then we all have to translate.
Ik heb absoluut geen idee als dit werk. Het is waarschijnlijk jibberish.
stop all this kind of thing just click start war button
@zaney, thanks 🙂 I'm learning it from you.
@Ollie Chase We've already offered that regions for free for the first step, and your delegations called us greedy. And that's the truth. I'm so glad that someone still have a clear mind.
yeaahh... i little - little learning english ... but my head around-around .... accident twelve ....
(sedikit-sedikit belajar bahasa inggris, tapi kepalaku pusing pusing ... celakaduabelas!!)
I WANT TO CUT CONNECTION US
(SAYA INGIN MEMUTUSKAN HUBUNGAN KITA)
I have think this very cook cook
(saya telah memikirkan hal ini masak masak)
I know my love only clap one hand
(saya tahu cinta saya hanya bertepuk sebelah tangan)
Correctly, I have seen you go with a woman entertainment at town with my eyes and head myself
(sebenarnya, saya telah melihat kamu pergi bersama seorang wanita penghibur di kota dengan mata kepala saya sendiri)
You always ask for apology back back times
(kamu selalu minta maaf berulang ulang kali)
Your eyes drop tears crocodile
(matamu mencucurkan airmata buaya)
You are really a man crocodile land
(kamu benar benar seorang lelaki buaya darat)
My Friend speak you play fire
(teman saya bilang kamu bermain api)
Now I know you correct correct play fire
(sekarang saya tahu kamu benar benar bermain api)
So, I break connection and pull my body from this love triangle
(jadi, saya putuskan hubungan dan menarik diri dari cinta segitiga ini)
I know this result I pick is very correct, because you love she very big from me
(saya tahu keputusan yang saya ambil ini benar, karena kamu mencintai dia lebih besar dari saya)
But I still will not go far far from here
(namun saya tetap tidak akan pergi jauh-jauh dari sini)
I don't want you play play with my liver
(saya tidak ingin kamu main-main dengan hati saya)
I have been crying night night until no more eye water thinking about your body
(saya menangis bermalam-malam sampai tidak ada lagi airmata memikirkan dirimu)
I don't want to sick my liver for two times
(saya tidak mau sakit hati untuk kedua kalinya)
Safe walk, nugelobudug
(selamat jalan, nugelobudug)
Girl friend of your liver
(kekasih hatimu)
-nengasih
hwaaaaaaaaa.....
@zaney Get what we can and then work for more. Then you get nothing.
@ICE2008 Is that all you have ? Give us some french and italian please.
@serenity16 Thankyou I tried my best.
Serenity, it's people like you who have complicated this entire situation.
It's people like you that have made the relations between us two countries turn sour.
Everything you have said has been negative and heavily biased. You have offered no compromise, no words of reason, and merely dismiss our concerns and complaints as "unrespectful" without offering a solution.
For people like you, i have no time for..
A peaceful solution still ends up with us pressing the "start a resistance war" button anyway...