My 2-Clickers are Better Than Yours [OMG vs. LPP]
Konrad Neumann
With the LPP as the largest party in eGermany, it is really interesting for me to see that they did not dominate congress like that of OMG. I mean in the past, many criticized the OMG as too large with too many two clickers and noobs etc; however, with current events, size while an important factor, does not trump election results.
I am interested to understand why despite their size and advert articles with 100 votes etc, the largest party in Germany only fared second best. In many ways, OMG massacred the LPP since there was little to no coordination on the party level and not much advertisements while the LPP is a much larger party with a lot of ads. To be behind 69 votes is a pretty big margin.
There is an old joke in eGermany in that the OMG is a big fat guy taking a nap. It is large full of fat but does not do much. I think recent elections changed this image. If we are to look at party turn out, OMG fared a lot better than that of the LPP. While I am making an assumption that people vote for their own parties and there are no cross votes etc, OMG with a 239 population received 196 votes where as the LPP of 300 members only got 127 votes. In terms of percentage, OMG had a 82 percent voter turnout while the LPP only managed to get 42 percent. It does seem that OMG did wake up and got itself on a treadmill and lost a lot of fat. While OMG still does have a lot of two clickers etc, it seems the OMG 2 clickers are better than that of the LPP's.
Size is important but this goes back to the issue of quantity verses quality. If we look at the LPP member page, there are many pages of members that are extremely young with no avatars at all. Depending on how you count these pages, I would say there are around 10ish page of mostly avatarless new players. In the case of OMG, there are about 3-5 of these pages. While I am not suggesting that the LPP have a lot of inactive multies or avatars equates to votes, but it does show the quality of the two clickers. At the current situation, the OMG 2 clickers are much more developed and mature in level and activity than the LPP. Without going into the recent controversy of LPP recruitment methods, it seems that the LPP are good at recruiting new members but less than stellar translating number of membership into a political asset at this time. While I do not have any numbers and stats on this, but accounts that are new and without avatars tends to die quickly. While the LPP can get a lot of new citizens to join their party, their newest challenge now is to keep these new players interested and at least vote as a 2 clicker for the LPP.
In the current situation, I believe the OMG will still be the largest party in the Bundestag for a while longer. OMG 2 clickers and members are older and more established. LPP's rise regardless of how impressive it is, still have some things to work out. If they are to dominate politics, they need not only to get members to join them, but to minimally get these new members to be LPP 2 clickers. Unless they can do that, the LPP will be second best. In many ways, the LPP is the new party who is fat and overweight. I am sure that the LPP is and will continue to be influential but I think their fundamental error is their focus on quantity and not quality. While OMG is not the best to lecture about high turnouts overall (I think Steinmetze has a lot more rights to talk about quality of members) but if you visit the LPP channel on IRC, it has really little amount of people in it. OMG like I said needs improvement on the IRC as well but fared better overall. If the LPP can fix their activity problems, they will be the number one party of Germany in terms of Bundestag control. Until then, OMG is still the party to go to if you want to be in the party that control most of the Bundestag.
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Konrad, the one and only true president of eGermany \o/
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"In terms of percentage, OMG had a 82 percent voter turnout while the LPP only managed to get 42 percent."
And what do you say about the BP and KPeD that got over 100 %? It's obvious that the top5 parties receive votes from members of foreign parties. But not the LPP. Why is that? Because there is a smear campaign running against us since a long time. People like Kalif call me (and others) nazi not having talked a single word to me. He and the rest of the OMG made up their minds although they
don't know us.
You forgot to mention your support from party no. 6, the SPeD. This shouldn't be underestimated. Plus one or two highly esteemed persons joined the OMG. You don't think this has had the effect to push you?
The LPP has more two clickers on a percentage basis than other parties. So? We never said otherwise. It's easy to be part of the party with the most active persons and laugh about the smaller ones. Our former members Otis and Pecatti quitted or reduced their activity
because of rudeness coming from the OMG and Steinmetze. Don't be so proud of your
"friends" who defame me and others for no reason.
and what OMG did with the power they had ? that's the real question , if you are better , active , more powerful what good that was to eGermany ? why was the hate campaign during my PP ? Simple answer for me now as an outsider - you want weak Germany , you don't want change and the only thing that moves you is when LPP gets on top , which trigger all of the parties - commies ,OMG and etc to throw a lot of dirt at LPP . After LPP is neutralised from fear and hate of change you get to sleep.
Don't be mad, Mrs. Company
Can somebody explain why there is so much hate between everybody, maybe?
tradition : 3
Onrop: "Our former members Otis and Pecatti quitted..."
Otis quit one year ago. Pecatti quitted in spring. So did Deathman and FW2, as far as I observed. Since May, Lord oS and Onrop reformed the LPP completely.
Before, it was a party that could be respected for some notable, somewhat experienced politicians.
After, it became a party mainly reknowned for inexperienced + disgruntled hotheads.
I don't agree with Konrad in every detail, but he did some good analysis here. Congrats.
@Madumius: Some people hate each other here.
Towards the LPP in whole (and especially in the former "glory" in early '12 and late '11) I have quite some respect.
Also, I don't exactly read "hate hate hate" in Konrads article, he is quite matter-of-fact there.
I have not said the the article is about hate, but the situation in general at the moment .
"I think their fundamental error is their focus on quantity and not quality."
Ich finde das bringt es ganz gut auf den Punkt. Und zeigt das das Konzept der LPP nicht aufgeht. Grad 3min im Spiel dabei und man wird sofort angeschrieben: "Sprichst du deutsch?" dann kriegt man ein paar nette tipps und "darf" der hilfbereiten LPP joinen, aber irgentwie habt ihr es noch nicht geschafft den neuen dann einzutrichtern wann sie zu wählen haben 😉
Und onrop das weiß ich alles durch meine Multiarmee
die hat übrigens auch die BP so gepusht und dem BP Wahlartikel so viele votes gebracht 😛
Owaya Bacon, ist es nicht wieder an der Zeit für einen neuen Account?
hmm
ne erst lvl 25 weißte doch 😛
und bitte beim nächsten mal Owaya Bac0n mit einer 0, wenn schon mit fakten punkten dann richtig
jau, die Multiarmee kenne ich zur Genüge, die füttere ich wahrscheinlich durch, inklusive Kersis.
-.-'
Enyavar, what about excluding our members from government positions? Is that ok? Just because we wrote a PM by mistake to two of your members? Or what is the reason?
here also the list of my LPPsample
it's quite nice to see that from 30people on day1799 after 30days 12 of them still are alive (with two who quit the LPPmembership)
because i was just interested in how many would survive/get banned i didn't note down more informations but analysing the status atm:
like 9 of 12 alive didn't advance in level until today and 7 of 12 have (even if older) just a strength [quite a lot] below 100 whereas the others reached over 300 or even 400 already.
and the most have no medals not even hardworker. so all in all out of 30 you get like 3 or 4 active players and like other 8-9 who are just 'still breathing'.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjMtJU7oDAUPdDhtRkwyRW5aYnlZNzIwTzFITWtvTFE#gid=0
wird man tatsächlich selbst anderswo durch erep penetriert.. 😁.
also kurz ne Richtigstellung betreffs onrop und "Our former members Otis and Pecatti quitted or reduced their activity because of rudeness coming from the OMG and Steinmetze" :
das mag für Pecatti evtl. eher zutreffen, für mich keineswegs, da war einfach die Zeit der Faktor, und dass eRep eh zu sinnlos wurde. Reibereien mit anderen Parteien haben ich selbst selten gemieden, war doch oft interessant, wenn das Klima stimmte. :3
otis war außerdem ehrengast auf der "metzte"-ronnycon
dann hatte ich eher noch ein Problem mit dem kurs von zeeger und lord. hatten anfangs anständig angefangen, aber haben immer mehr nur auf die memberzahl geschielt, und zu sehr solidarität mit den germanen geübt, nur weil sie (zu recht) gedisst wurden.
die restlichen LPPler waren aber immer ne gute Truppe, zumindest so manche. aber egal. wurd zeit zu quitten ; )
Viel Spaß noch hier, ihr findet mich in Artharia 😁
Vor Löschung bitte anklicken: http://www.artharia.de/?ref=2789 ;p
Konrad, I still like your sense of humou... aaah for reality.
@onrop "what about excluding our members from government positions"
I don't remember that I participated in that. I'm not even part of gov since a few months.
At the moment, it is more than one month that I'm destributing thousands of energy each day to LPP newbies (and others). There were some donations from LPP to me, so it's okay.
Enyavar wie oft willst du es uns vorhalten das du an paar LPP-ler Futter gespendet hast?
Rechne aus wie viel es ist und ich über weise dir es sofort, wenn du kein Platz im Lager hast dann sende ich dir Geld, kannst auch dein Verteiler Lohn berechnen.
Why do you always have to mention this? Just stop donating to them.
Every mistake done by a LPP member is referred to his party, so I'm referring to you party, which supported the current CP and is going to support him again. Don't act like you don't know about that things.
@Lord o S Day 1,833, 14:29
well it's quite funny that many members of a party which boasts about how it is supporting its members have the need(?) to get supplies from elsewhere too.
@onrop Day 1,833, 14:30
there is a little difference in mocking someone because of his membership in a party and mocking someone because of his membership in a party which supported someone who got elected by all germans to be president
eisenmutter ich bin nur auf Reise im Ausland, mein Herz schlägt für LPP 🙂
no... for the doings of the someone who became president with the support of the party where the mocked one is member and yeah f... this
@Lord o S Day 1,833, 14:46
aha sehr interessant. meins schlägt für die korrekte verteilung meines blutes (und damit von nährstoffen und sauerstoff etc pp) in meinem körper.
Eisenmutter, warum schreibst du auf Englisch?
@Lord o S Day 1,833, 14:50
weil der artikel auf englisch ist und daher vielleicht gewollt ist dass nichtdeutschsprachige leute mitlesen + weil ich des englischen mächtig bin
Because the article is written in english by an english-speaking player, you ignorant person
Kalif, where are the non German speakers in you party? There'e only Konrad. Pretty ignorant from you, too.
Konrad spricht kein Deutsch und es ist ok wenn er auf Englisch schriebt aber wenn du mich schon anlaberst dann mach es auf Deutsch 🙂
Kalif jetzt bin ich Ignorant wenn ich der Englischen Sprache nicht mächtig bin?
@Lord o S Day 1,833, 15:06
wusste nicht dass du kein englisch kannst sorry
da der verfasser des artikels in englisch schreibt ist es eben eine geste der höflichkeit dies in den kommentaren ebenso zu tun - insbesondere wenn der verfasser des artikels nur englisch spricht und man davon ausgeht er möchte die kommentare unter seinem artikel verfolgen. daher hatte ich dich in english angeschrieben
ja.
Ich habe Deutsch als Fremdsprache in der Schule gelernt und Englisch versteh ich viel aber möchte zu Zeit nicht schreiben, erst wenn es besser wird 🙂
Ich fordere zweisprachige Comments. Der Kongress sollte sich dem mal annehmen :~