Patton found to be breaking wage promise
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by Paddy Machiavelli
The [a url=http://www.erepublik.com/party-7.html]current leader of opposition party[/a] Fianna Fáil has been found to be going back on his promise to cap wages in line with the national wage agreement, signed by various business leaders last month.
In an [a url=http://www.erepublik.com/article-133301.html]article written by Waterford mayor Fionn[/a], it was claimed that patton has approached staff at the city's companies and offered them a higher wage if they came to [a url=http://www.erepublik.com/profile-129522.html]work for him[/a]. Waterford City currently pays 0.5IEP per skill level, in line with the national wage agreement.
Patton [a url=http://erepublikireland.freeforums.org/agreement-to-half-wages-and-prices-sign-in-t10.html]gave his support to this wage structure on 13th February[/a], the aim of which was to drive down costs in eIreland to make the country and its currency more competitive internationally.
Since going to print The Irish Press has been informed by one of patton's many employees that that Fionn's accusations are correct. The source, who asked to remain anonymous, said they were offered 0.6IEP by patton if they worked for him - this contravenes the agreement patton signed up to last month.
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I never signed any such agreement. I broached a compromise and no one ever responded. I have no idea what you are talking about. I just raised all of my wages significantly just to be competitive
Why are you surprised, we are talking about Patton here? Sweet words, nasty deeds; he\'s also sending msg to people working in the state companies to invite them to his party and figthing against planned economy...
Wow,the unbiased part of your newspaper description makes me laugh \" leader of opposition party Fianna Fáil\"
what\'s biased about that? Wasn\'t it you boasting about being in \"governing party\" this February?
The largest political party that doesn\'t form the government is called the opposition party...
also:
http://erepublikireland.freeforums.org/agreement-to-half-wages-and-prices-sign-in-t10.html#77
\"Why are you surprised, we are talking about Patton here? Sweet words, nasty deeds; \"
How do you know? I mean not to fight you or some thing but where you in December already an citizen? Did you know what patton has done for eIreland?
i mean your an citizen for 2-3 weeks so you can\'t know what he has done for ireland when you wasn\'t a citizen.
it\'s hurting me that an citizen saying that kind of stuff about an other well willing citizen that have done a lot of things so YOU can live here
@patton - the thread linked began as a plan to half wages and costs but then moved to an agreement to set wages at 0.5IEP per skill level - you then replied \"I will make the changes as soon as possible sorry I have not done it sooner.\" The thread is clearly a sign up thread for those willing to implement these changes and you signed up to it. Your compromise solution was in regards to MC\'s economic proposals, not the wage agreement.
Naturally you are within your rights to offer any wage you wish and this newspaper doesn\'t give opinion on that being a good or bad thing - the article merely points out the fact that doing so goes back on your previous commitment.
@topgun - patton is the leader of FF and FF is the opposition party - that is that it is the largest party outside of Government. It is a perfectly unbias description.
Wow.. what fails even more than not honouring a wage agreement is using knowledge of this wage agreement to poach staff from a company who\'s only interest is in developing eWaterford to further his own industrial empire.
For shame, patton, for shame.
How interesting, to hear opposition from the Communistic side about an effort to increase the welfare of the workers.
The irony is quaint.
@Hannesz:
\" I mean not to fight you or some thing \"
no offense taken, dont worry, all critics and comments are welcome, good and bad.
We are also doing things to all people living in eireland; if our party leader is displeased with our work he wont give Fionn and me (Fionns friend and helper) the control of mayor\'s office next time.
Do you think we are filling bags with money to ourselves? we have invest all we have in a public company that can be out of our control if mc thinks we are wrong.
Clean and clear, we do what we think is right and dont get anything in exchange, i think i have ALL THE RIGHT to say what I think, maybe he has build all the country from zero, but know i think he is mistaken full stop
Paddy the agreement you were talking about was to my knowledge an agreement to cut prices and wages by 50 %. I did so at that time but I did not see anything in that article which stopped prices or wages form changing after the fact. Also why cant I compete with other companies for workers. Those companies mentioned are public and intended only for training so they can market their skills in the real market. Of course i am going to ask them to work for me that is the whole point of those companies.
Also until today I didnt even know that pay scale existed ! I was paying my people way under the scale not over. Actually it seems anyone getting paid on that scale is in effect violating the second round of price cuts proposed by MC which cut all wages in half! No one earned that kind of money on the pay scale before the cuts !
@patton
Only Waterford Gifts Techonological Institute is a training facilities.
Waterford Crystal isnt training, and the worker u ask was from there, not from the training.
I was under the impression that all of Waterford\'s companies were training schools.
@patton - I never said you can\'t offer whatever wage you want; you\'re free to do so. The article was merely pointing out that you signed up to an agreement and you were no longer sticking to that.
To say that you were not aware of the pay scale or aware of the agreement to pay 0.5IEP per skill level would suggest that you do not read agreements that you sign up to. Your post clearly comes after the agreement changed to the pay scale laid out before.
Some may think that\'s your own business, others may think you breaking this promise is unbecoming. The role of this newspaper isn\'t to pass judgement, just point out what happened.
If you look at the article it is the \" Half price and wages sign in \' The sign in was for that agreement. The pay scale was discussed inside of the thread however the sign in was not for the pay scale. I encourage all people to go to the thread and look at it yourselves.
Is it needed to act in such a deshonour way???
[patton]until today I didnt even know that pay scale existed ! I[/patton]
Pull the other one! Fionn posted links on the eIreland forum linking articles in the Contract section of these forums outlining the wage policy.
Plis, we need to stop this... i dont know why im acting so peacefull when in true life y love violence but... please, we are a team!!!! We need to cooperate and fight against other countries not between us!!!!
Patton - you cannot complain if you signed up to an agreement you did not read and the details of the wage scale were repeated in many places, not just that thread which you posted on but claimed not to read.
The pay scale was not part of the agreement. The thread was a signup for the price and wage reduction. Nothing in title about pay scale.
So you signed up to an agreement thread that you did not read and it\'s just a coincidence that the prices you offer people are always .1IEP above the agreed pay scale that you apparently knew nothing about?
\" The wages I always offer are .1 IEP above pay scale \"
My starting pay was .4 IEP and my higest paid worker got 1.6 IEP. If I offered a worker .6 IEP it was because I asked him how much he was getting paid and he said \" .5 IEP \" Also the worker probably had more then the basic skill meaning .6 IEP wouldnt have been off the payscale anyway since he didnt have 1 skill .
Is this an admittance to staff poaching?
\" Staff Poaching \" I did not know that when you work for one company you are a slave to it. I regularly lose workers because other GM\'s are willing to pay more. In fact some of my workers went to Waterford because of higher wages. Maybe they should be accused of \" staff poaching \" as well. I mean.... I had workers and they....... took them away.
I\'ll take that as a yes then.
Of course I did. What is the problem with..... gasp.... competition
I think the problem comes back to the old citizen fee. Some people as so comparatively rich that they can afford to pay much higher wages for a time to gain all the workers. Plus with you bringing in profits from almost all sectors, you can take a loss in one industry and still gain overall. If you look at it there really is no balanced competition. Without intervention by a third party the large companies would swallow up everything.
Gasp... competition? You\'ve used the public funds of eWaterford to train up a worker, you then come along and dangle an extra 0.1IEP over their wage to them, and you reap the future benefit? Where\'s the competition in that?
You\'re so fatty rich, you can offer whatever you want to further your own cause at the expense of all newly set up companies who are trying to further the cause of the country, and not themselves.
There\'s a term in Ireland for such people - \"a me feiner\".. you sir are a me feiner!
This is all stemming from very flimsy evidence of a shoddily-crafted and so-called \'agreement.\' There is no law prohibiting Patton from compensating his workers for a hard day\'s work, and the mob would have his head for giving back wages to the people. Yet, if his wages were stingy, they would complain he were a miser, and hoards the profits all to himself. By the flawed logic presented through this chain of dialog, Patton cannot win and must suffer for being a successful businessman because the Communistic approach of the majority party seeks to consolidate and redistribute all wealth equally and all labor equally among the nation.
Who said there was a law against him offering whatever wages he likes?
You\'re right, there is no law, but I will not accept the belief that just because someone is free to do something that it is ok. This is a public training company we are talking about, selflessly given up to whoever is mayor of waterford, it\'s not a rival company (to a certain extent). Also, like I explained above, in the current circumstances it does not take much to be a \"successful businessman\" for some people. Espescially patton, who got his companies almost for free, and then received preferential treatment by the former government, buying his upgrades among other things (I\'m not saying that he hasn\'t done anything for himself, just that he was given a huge advantage). If you want one person controlling everything fine, we can turn out like Russia, where the president tries to starve his political opponents and loots the national treasury. Also, I suggest you read up on the latest economic plans. I have no intention to take anything from anyone, or force anyone to do anything.
You intended, by various statements, to have new citizens\' labor distributed throughout various industries which need it, which is forcing a citizens\' hand at labor.
Not to mention the harsh back blow against Patton is as if he DID break a law, and if he did not, then your condemnation is yet another witch hunt. Training companies have no contract on their employees for labor, do they? You act as if you own these people and their labor, a scary thought when living under the potential shadow of Socialist Ireland.
I really doubt whether a brand new citizen cares in what industry they work. IIf they really want a particular industry then fine.
\"Not to mention the harsh back blow against Patton is as if he DID break a law\" something does not become any more unacceptable just because it\'s \"law\"
How are we acting as if we own the person? I don\'t think the worker has even been mentioned. What we are against is someone luring staff, to increase their already huge amount of wealth at the cost of our economy.
Speaking of wellfare patton, why where you doing the same to food industry workers? People don\'t eat IEP.
\"I really doubt whether a brand new citizen cares in what industry they work. IIf they really want a particular industry then fine.\"
Haha, oh wow. So just because you think a citizen wouldn\'t have a preference does not give you the right to place a citizen into certain industries, comrade, no matter how much governmental control you fancy to wield.
Nice try Paddy but you still didnt get the 350 views my last controversial editorial recieved.
I\'m not interested in hits, I\'m interested in answers to the questions the article has raise😛
Did you sign up to an agreement thread that you did not read? Have you approached staff from rival food, gift or weapons companies and where successful what company did you hire them for? Do you believe that wage competition is counter-productive to the spirit of the agreement you signed, even if you did believe it was only one to half wages?
\"Haha, oh wow. So just because you think a citizen wouldn\'t have a preference does not give you the right to place a citizen into certain industries, comrade, no matter how much governmental control you fancy to wield.\"
You seem to think that we will tell new citizens where to go work, that is not the case. When some industries have enough workers the GMs will agree to not hire. That is exactly what happens in a real free market, except with the situation in Ireland the market is not in equilibrium, most GMs are trying to hire as much as possible, which is why we need cooperation amongst them.
P.S. Patton, I clicked refresh about a hundred times on that article to see if it would work, and it did.
You stink MC
Sorry 😛