10% Work Tax Proves Its Worth
Day 2,366, 11:06
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by Gnilraps
So during my two months as Country President, I spent a good bit of cash.
I'm not talking about my own personal Real Life cash. Yes, I threw some cash at this game during those two months to facilitate my enjoyment of my Presidency, but I'm not counting that.
What I'm talking about is the cash I spent out of our Federal Reserve.
I spent a few million of it.
And boy am I glad I did. I also think that if you will give me a few minutes of your time, you'll be glad about it too.
We've been arguing about the American Work Tax policy in this country since the day it was introduced. If you recall, we were without congress (while Oblige was CP) at the time and so we couldn't alter the default 25% rate that was set by Admin. We eventually settled on 10% rate based on some very clear and sound reasoning.
You probably also know that despite the superior fiscal thinking behind the 10% rate, a loud minority of citizens forsook American Citizenship, selling themselves out for a cheaper tax. These same continue to grind their axe.
However, once the war against Canada came along, our 10% tax rate which had produced for us a war chest of significant size proved its wisdom.
We have all seen that eCanada has a few players with big pockets. DMV3 is, after all, the same player who, when he was a citizen of eUSA, established the Praetorian Guard Military Unit by paying his soldiers 10 Gold per week to join his unit. And DMV is not the only goldbuyer in eCanada.
And since cash spent on Combat Orders generally results in battlefield damage, it was going to take cash to fight against eCanada and her mastercards.
And this brings me to my point.
The war chest that has grown under the 10% Work Tax is America's cash. You paid the taxes.
Some of the monies collected by the Work Tax help to fund the USAF. So (and we've agreed as a nation that this is a good thing) there is a large group of players who fight each day with tanks purchased by tax money - your money. You have paid it, someone else gets to enjoy fighting with it.
But when I withdrew millions of dollars from the Federal Reserve - millions of your dollars, I spent it on Combat Orders - often being paid out to eUS Citizens ONLY - in a war against Canada. In other words, by virtue of Combat Orders funded by monies collected from the Work Tax, you were receiving back into your own personal accounts the very money you had paid out in Taxes (not to mention the simultaneous True Patriot Gold you were receiving.)
So I am proud to have spent the money I spent on battles against an opponent that, meh, isn't really worth much to begin with.
It isn't eCanada that makes war against eCanada worthwhile. It was the fact that by fighting against eCanada, you were receiving back a decent rebate on the taxes you'd been paying.
This is a pattern I'd like to see continue.
Give 'em hell, Molly.
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10% Work Tax?
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2399468/1/20
Heck Yeah.
Translation: we steal your cash then sole it back out only when you do what we say when we say.
Autocorrect you suck. Dole, not sole.
To all of our great surprise, here is a Canadian who is less than pleased with what our tax revenue has produced.
#shocker
Lol wat.
"But when I withdrew millions of dollars from the Federal Reserve - millions of your dollars, I spent it on Combat Orders - often being paid out to eUS Citizens ONLY - in a war against Canada."
Not true. It's also extremely stupid to have COs for eUS only. The reason why COs are used is to attract merc damage. You do not need to attract eUS damage with COs. The money that goes back is also distributed so that the strongest players of eUS would benefit greatly while the weaker players barely get anything. So I guess you claim that weak people should just f**k off then? Justifying high work taxes with that "Only you, my beloved Americans, get the money." is probably the most stupid thing that I've ever read. We spent WAAAY more than we made from the work taxes, we went in on the reserves to do this. No this was not some kind of "Let's give our people some tax return." spree, stop making it look like it. This was money spent to actually maintain the regions because that was the only way you could keep them.
I surely hope that all weaker players feel offended by this article, because you really should. This is disgusting.
Oh ok.
Sigh... Why did I even think that you'd come with with an intellectual reply...
Double with, wopsies.
So...this is you admitting that you're wrong, right? Cause, all I'm seeing is Seppo making a solid counter and your hollow argument being exposed for what it is. I trust many would see it the same.
No Hale. Seppo has a point. However, much as he'd like to think so, it does not invalidate mine.
He is wrong that CO's set to eUSA-only are not useful. I don't care to convince him of that. The eUS Citizens who collected the CO money can attest to the strategy. Oh, and also... it worked. And also, when needed, they were set to global.
Seppo has a bug up his butt. That's why I don't respond to him.
Also Hale, you are already on record opposing this war, so I am thinking that your motives in defending Seppo are sort of transparent
Gnils, you can't say your opposition has a "Bug up their butt". For real man, that turns people off. When I was lobbying for this 10% WT back in the day, I stayed respectful to everyone. And, for better or worse, that WT got passed.
As for transparent motives...again, you can't shy away from debate because the other guy disagrees with you. Of course I disagree with the war.
Good try on evasion, but; What about the point on stronger benefitting more than weak? Also, most COs were not USA only from my knowledge. You're free to prove otherwise.
Not to mention my point on the fact that, whatever you call it, this was spending around a third of our reserve. With a rich enemy like ASTERIA, that type of spending is simply wrong.
All I'm seeing in your answer is ad hom and evasion. Do you really question your capital and point so much that you can't even be bothered to engage in real debate?
> "And also, when needed, they were set to global."
So pretty much always.
If they were set USA-only, how was I able to see (and use) them?
Just go to Kanada....
Why would I? I don't feel anything for Canada, I want to fight for eUS.
So it's a good tactic to give the stronger players the taxpayer money, leaving the weak new players paying for them? To me this isn't exactly a good tactic to retain a player base. Of course players that make a shit ton of money will have a more positive attitude towards it than other players.
A bug up my butt, that's all you got? You don't even try to start an argument.
One thing you also need to factor in is that these stronger players often end up paying much more in tax due to larger numbers of factories and RWM buildings. So if these players are getting more in return it only balances out.
http://prntscr.com/3izpkj Sure we do. There are weaker players with LOTS of factories. There is also LOADS of high strength players without any factories.
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I am happy with the way the government has been handling the war. I am happy to fight against the evil Canadians.
Serbia = Evil
Serbia allies = Evil
Canada = EvilBro
Czech out my article; It'll clear up a lot of the Serb point. Last section is all you need;
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/time-to-end-the-northern-war-1-2399489/1/20
You should of ended the article with
......to the detriment of our allies
Sooo you wasted our tax money very nice!!!
I wish my fellow Canadians understood the virtues of this tax strategy. I tried and failed to get them to see the beauty of this method. I'm glad to see I was right, unfortunately it was used against us because my people didn't seem to think it would work.
Eh, the tax strategy right now can not handle the amount of spending that was done. A few more months of this kind of spending and we have no money left at all. It's good to have money tucked away for emergencies, but to occupy another nation it's not. We spend way more than we get from having the Canadian regions.
You're right that it isn't sustainable. But the problem we have up here is that nobody wants higher taxes for any period of time, no matter how short. They all cried bloody murder that they would all lose money and wouldn't be able to produce anything anymore. Despite me having data to prove the opposite.
This is NOT disgusting. It's a good article by a great guy with a valid point of view. It's a POV I disagree with, particularly since La Migra (run that through Google Translate set on Spanish) gave me the run around when I requested by CS back at the urging of Gnilly for the April Hunt.
I disagree because it devalues the work of players who have devoted time and resources building the commercial side of the game. The engines churning out RM's, Food and Tanks. It pays a TON to USAF, when we all know that National Militaries are becoming increasingly irrelevant, imo.
But get off Gnilly with the "disgusting" bit. Disagree without being disagreeable. or at least be funny about it. like me 😃 http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-marines-no-sheep--2399280/1/20
So it's not disgusting to try to gain political points saying "Hur dur I gave you tax rebate because you all deserved it." when in truth all he did was try to maintain regions because of failed FA to get a NAP? To claim that COs are tax rebate is just lame, strength should never matter in a "tax rebate". It's not even valid to call it that.
No. It isn't. It's the guv'ment way. I don't agree with it, and I continue to voice my opposition to it. But Gnilly's never called me "disgusting" because of it. It's a disagreement on it. Nothing more, nothing less. "hur dur i disagree with you, so you're disgusting." More fun to lay your reasoning out there, have a sense of humor and people will go "huh, seems legit." even if they think it's a good idea to take 10% in taxes and give it to the USAF Sheep patrol 😉.
Then we disagree by what we think is disgusting then. Because I honestly think this is. 🙂
Here's what would happen if I were still US cs.
> Pickle's would still be together.
> Those that take them would still be getting their 10 Q7 per day.
> jver, Mike Ontry, Lansizzle and I would be buying gold to pay for 'em.
> All 4 MU communes WRM production would be shut down.
When you have a lot of RL cash to waste you can do nonsense and call it strategy😛
New and more Honest title:
"10% Work Tax Proves Its Worth for Gnilraps CP"
Lmao
Since I didn't participate in the Bullying of Canada, can I get a tax refund.
No, you owe additional 'no bullying of Canada' tax. Kind of like if you can't afford heath insurance because it's double what it was before, now you pay a penalty to IRS. lol
yeah, good job to the gents that elected Obama. Feel stupid yet?? Not to mention that the people who had healthcare before obamacare got dropped depending on their age and then had to pay 800 a month for obama care. But to disgress back to erep politiks, Im honestly a tad bit upset that we spent this much on Canada....
"I spent on battles against an opponent that, meh, isn't really worth much to begin with."
I accept that we are opponents. There are a lot of Americans that I have a lot of respect for either their dedication, their ability with the written word and even their patriotism. In fact, I've messaged you in the past saying just that.
However, the sentiment you express with that one sentence... that's really unfortunate. I hope people take note. Today your disdain is reserved for Canada. Once you've ground Canada long enough under your massive boot, you'll choose another target. That target may have been a friend in the past but that means nothing ultimately.
i would love to see always combat orders for american battles, for american citizens!
we want to do more damage so combat orders support those players who do more damage! and encourages people to get stronger and do more damage.
so lets scrap all spending and set up all gov spending on combat orders! lets encourage peopel to fight we don't need businesses if no one if fighting!
eCanada is not spending anything close to what your talking about having spent. Where are the books?
Your system tax's the many for the benefit of the few. Throwing a few CC back to the masses in CO's does not change that.
Maybe Canada hasn't spent very much, but DMV has.
Not close to 3 million USD I assure you.
Over 3 months, Canada has spent A BUNCH.
The government itself only manged to get 800 gold out to the treasury before the wipe.
eCanada with less damage is beating us while spending less money, the drugs must be really good up there for you to believe that.
Actually the drugs up here are amazing and we are spending less due to the FF effect.
Our treasury transfers are a matter of record. I proposed 1 of them myself. No mystery. Once you have no congress it is locked.
So USA rejects Canada from Sirius, prompting us to find other allies and now after we end up at war the USA wants us to drop the Serbian MPP and LETO and essentially join the same side we were rejected from?
Hope you learned your lesson.
Nope, they want you to SERVE the side you were rejected from. It seems they see your proper position is on your knees beside the table waiting for them to deign to give you permission to take a few crumbs from their plate.
Well this wasn't the best kind of a response, I'd say.
Just remember the attitude you had, the Canadians will also remember. You reap what you sow.