1 Year ERepublik
cerclo
And here it is; 1 year since I started playing eRepublik.
The time has come to sum up everything and take a look back at all my successes and failures.
First thing that comes to my mind on doing is to take a look at my rankings:
Ohh…bravo!!! nice, congratz!!! etc…you name it?!
…but haven’t you noticed anything weird?
You invested gold!
Yes, but that’s not it
Let’s take another look at the previous graph.
XP position 100, meaning that in one year I worked harder and fought more than some did in 4
years, congrats!
Medals position 145, Nice
Military Rank position 170, congrats!
1*Q5 position 1098 ???? what happened?
I mean you that worked and fought more in one year than others worked and fought in 4 years, you
that got piles of medals, you weren’t able to reach at least top 200 in the strength of your hit?
NO. Why?
Simply because the strength of the hit depends mostly on strength of the user….
Strength position 1502: This is too much for me to bare. There must be a mistake somewhere.
Nope, no mistake and even more, this is considered to be part of the normal flow of the game by the
majority of the users
I’ll prove you now how this is not right. In most of the online games that you invest real money in,
you are able to reach top 100 in, at the most, 3 months though that’s not the case in eRepublik.
The following rational question is: Why not ?
You know what my 1st question was after joining the game?
cerclo: when did the game start?
gobelin89: it’s been 3 years now,
cerclo: and when will it reset ?
gobelin89: well, it won’t
cerclo: ... let’s look for another game ...
Anyone can reach my profile and realize that I’m not that bad
I doing fine in all areas and I can even help others from time to time.
But let’s just forget about cerclo’s account and analyse this objectively from the standing point of a
1st day user in eRepublik:
Young player:
We’ll take the 1st one that pops in….and no, it is not a clone…and don’t start telling me that only
clones create new accounts on eRepublik….
Nope, it seems I found a Mr.Y
😉that is not a clone
Welcome to the game!
You start working here! You vote for that person! Fight there! What are you doing? Don’t tell me you
already want a BH medal! Why did you join that party? You want to steal the leadership of it? Whose
clone are you? Wait before you will be allowed to candidate for congress!
But don’t worry, you’ll grow up as well in 4 years, time at which I will stop playing this game
and..even if I decide to come back, I’ll still be better than you.
When Mr.Y takes a look at the strength rankings (which cannot be found on eRepublik), he spots a
user that has 11,393.61 in strength (and compares that with 16, as that is what he has)
Simple mathematics prove to us that if Mr.Y is very lucky: being located in a country that
permanently has a NE, has two friends invited by him, he can gain 25 strength points per day, 26
now with the new modification brought to the game.
So 11393/26=438 days It takes more than one year and two months for this guy to reach the
strength level of the top ranked one, under the assumption that the big shot has given up playing
the game ever since, and the small one keeps investing gold massively every day.
Now let’s be serious, doesn’t this sound stupid to start a game where you can only reach to the top
after one year and even that conditioned by the big shot’s decision to meanwhile quit the game?
Or better asked, the standings/rankings to be set by the registration date?
Mr. Y is a perseverant guy so he does not lose hope and starts calculating:
365 days x 26 = 9490 for Mr. Y
11393 + 9490 = 20883 for the super tank
To summarize this, after one year Mr. Y can reach at the level of 45,44% (100*9490/20883) of the
strength of a user that has been playing this game since the beginning.
Let’s take a further look into the future: after 6 years of playing this game, the big shot will have
30373 and the one that started in year 4 will still be trailing at 18980*100/30373 = 62,48% of the big
shot’s level, 71,41% in year 7, 76,91% in year 8 and from here on, things start to stabilize.
It is clear for everyone that the gap cannot be closed under any circumstance. Not to add the fact
of NOT using gold for training.
At the same time, a user that starts in year 5 has only 31,24% of the big shot’s value; 23,8% for one
that starts in year 6 and so on, on overall, from bad to worse.
You will tell me that the new users can use gold when fighting and rank up faster in order to reach
the old big shots…
You might be correct, but let’s take a look again at simple mathematics:
Take again the example of Mr.Y after one year:
9490 strength , rank wold class force ** influence 6033
9490 strength , rank wold class force *** influence 6132
9490 strength , rank legendary force influence 6231
9490 strength , rank legendary force* influence 6330
9490 strength , rank legendary force** influence 6429
9490 strength , rank legendary force*** influence 6527
9490 strength , rank GOD of WAR influence 6626
it is obvious that the progress is kept at a minimum, barely exceeding 500 damage extra, though the
financial costs are huge.
On the other hand, the old big shot:
20883 strength being only a commander ** will have a war influence of 7023,39, and when reaching
the World Class Force ** rank (56), he will hit close to double in damage 12982,63
As it can be seen in the war influence formula I = [(R-1)/20 + 0.3] × (S/10+40) x (1 + FirePower/100)
, the rank is divided by 20 when the strength is only divided by 10 which has an extra fixed value of
40 added (this might not be enough), and as this wouldn’t be enough
🙂, the rank stabilizes at 62 when
the strength level grows with 9490 every year.
I= [(56-1)/20 + 0,3] x (20883/10+40) x (1+100/100)
I= (55/20+0,3) x (2088,3+40) x (1+1)
I= (2,75+0,3) x 2128,3 x 2
I= 3,05 x 2128,3 x 2
it can be noticed here that the value of the rank added into the formula will be withing one year at a 0.14% of the strength value, of 0.099% within 2 years, a meaningless 0.075 in 3 years and so on.
In other words, the value of the rank in the formula is not only stabilized in time but it also tend towards 0.
In other words said the rank is useless as RANK = 0
😮
What do you mean you didn’t know? You struggled to rank up for nothing
It is clear to me that the mathematical formula has to be revised as soon as possible!
If this goes on as it is now (favouring the old users), eRepublik will become a gang game (which
actually it already is) which will only be played by those that had the chance of entering the game in
its initial phase or by those that managed to buy old accounts during the process. Those that start
today or those that cannot keep the pace in training with gold will give up on this game or they will
become totally irrelevant during the battles.
You’ll tell me again that that is not the case, that the creators of this game continuously look to
innovate.
YES, YOU ARE RIGHT, the young user has the chance to get a BH every month and that without any
certainty, whereas the old one can do the same every 6 hours or sometimes even faster.
But why do the young users need to get that BH medal? Why can’t they get into something else?
Like politics or economy…
Why shouldn they do it? Why shouldn't the big shots handle politics due to their high level of experience and in doing so, leave the young players to get the BH medals?
Why? Simply because the gold obtained from BH represents a source to finance the gold training.
In other words, the ones that come from behind pay for those that have been in the game before
them
The big tank:
But we have been here since the game started.
And look now how eRepublik repays us, by giving away bazookas to all the newbies? So they can
come an steal my BH medal.
If the young user spends 4 euros per day, he will hit the same as I do. (this giving the fact that the
newbie has to invest that money 3-4 times per day when the old one doesn’t have to invest
at all and what’s more, with 4 euros you get 8 gold whereas getting the BH medal gives you
only 5 gold)
…….
Waiting for other arguments
……..
I do have to state that changing the formula will give a slight disadvantage to the young users
because the old ones already have the rank.
As an overall conclusion I doing fine as I had the chance to join this game while the big shots only
had 4k in strength advantage towards me. Slowly but surely I will overtake those that leave
for holidays and cannot leave the account to someone else to take care off while gone (the
idea has not yet been developed in eRepublik)
But you, the one that starts today, you have no chance of reaching my level, not to talk about the
level of the big shots that I’m planning on reaching.
OK…So what are you suggesting?
I’m suggesting a lot and I am willing to collaborate with the creators of this game if they are
interested, reachable through phone or skype (though not in English, but French and
Romanian).
Let’s not forget one thing though, eRepublik is just a game and for us to enjoy this game, a server
has to exist, a software and people to assure maintenance and work on it.
This process incurs a cost.
Therefore eRepublik has to raise funds in order to offer to us this game, it needs funds to innovate
and develop this game and of course in the end, to generate profit, as that is the idea of a
business.
This needs keep on growing constantly. And if 4 years ago, a computer, a table and a chair would
have done the job, today eRepublik is looking towards a different situation. It requires
offices, partners, etc…
For this, the game needs to attract and to keep even more users in this artificial world.
Again, let’s be serious, the knocks on their heads and the banning of the new users won’t help in any
way.
Now seriously I propose the war influence formula to be revised. This formula was written a long
time ago when the daily strength gain was 0.12 (or something like that) and it has been only
once altered since then.
Simply modifying the formula won’t do. It has to be revised every year.
It’s true that in comparison to other games, eRepublik does not reset every year; it doesn’t have
more than one server. It does however represent a normal situation as the investments put
in the game are not easy to be made profitable, especially in an economy where everyone is
an owner and no one is a worker or a consumer for that matter.
NOT only that the rank has to have a bigger influence in the WI formula, but
I suggest that the strength level to be divided by 10 every year.
Let’s analyse this mathematically again:
The one with 11,393.61 becomes 1139,36 and in an year will be 1139,36 + 9490 = 10629,36 which
will take it to 1062,93 by the end of the year which will put him against 949 that the new
user will have.
It is to be noticed that the old user will still have an advantage over the new one though the
difference will become more acceptable. This would work for the old ones as well, who were
absent for a will because of certain reasons.
After a 2 months leave/absence the user loses 60X26=1560 strength which will never be recovered,
though with my idea, the user that enjoyed their vacation will still have a second chance to
get back into the game.
Of course they can gain 30 strength per day so they will not lose the strength capital when the reset
is done.
(1139,36 + 365*30)/10 = (1139,36 + 10950)/10 = 1208,9 against 1095
This will also be beneficial for those that train without gold, as the difference between them and the
ones that do train with gold will be kept at realistic levels and it will give them the chance to
start training with gold when the new year starts.
Besides this, (1208,9 - 1095)/30 = 113,9 /30 = 3,79, which means that if an old player is not training
for 4 days it will allow the young user to overcome him and the other way around.
In the current version, the big shot can easily take one year off of eRepublik and still come back and
be in front of the user that started playing only from year 4.
Of course there can be other solutions as well, though one this is for sure:
The one with high levels of strength cannot be reached from behind and this is unfair.
Respect
Cerclo
PS: Usually I tell you that I give away free toilet paper for the trolls, though today you can only get it
from the opposite corner of the street as the other has filled last time
😛
Comments
I started on day 648, and because of a massive investment of real life cash, I am in the top 100 maxhit Q5 (with a str of 10,000+).
If I were to start this game today, I would have no hope of being a military powerhouse. The only hope is to patiently collect bazooka parts, complete a MU mission each day, and perhaps in a month or two I can try for BH medal. I will also pray to Dio that someone does not steal my BH.
Fun Game.
congrats! 🙂
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Who invest money ? Old player who have BH and CH or new player for strentgh and companies ?
Actually, a new player who invest 10X, 100X, 1000X more gold as an old player can not have the strength of an old player !
Why a new player invest his money in this game ? this game is not attractive for new player. No more new player and it's the end of profit ... and the end of this game.
Ah see your mission : recruit a new player !
you got a sub,nice summary+shout
Who cares about strength?It I don't.I only care about the friends I met in this game,that's why I'm still here.I have never spent one cent to buy gold and I'll never will...Ta,ta!
congratulations
V+
o/
nice o7
zeusdinolimp is my friend!!!
Well to be honest, I don't give a damn about the young player. Maybe the gap is a bit too big but someone who is playing the game for 3-4 years constantly should have a big advantage... The ranks and strenght have been recalculeted a couple of times already and they will be again for sure but the last time it happend I was a year old player whose strenght was reduced to a 20 day old player. That is something that isn't fair.
V
congratz cerclo... nice summary... 🙂
good job o7
I Always thought of that. This game dont allow new players. Its engine dont allow new players to get part of the real fun. Even for me, 1 and half year player its really difficult to reach big players (top players, almost impossible).
Voted Hard.
I hope admins really read this article. Trully.
really good job
" If this goes on as it is now (favouring the old users), eRepublik will become a gang game (which
actually it already is) which will only be played by those that had the chance of entering the game in
its initial phase or by those that managed to buy old accounts during the process. Those that start
today or those that cannot keep the pace in training with gold will give up on this game or they will
become totally irrelevant during the battles. "
Correct!! Voted
v
o7 Cerclo
congratz
I have to say Lovely article!!*?
So much useful things to learn from experienced player !!! 😁
Hope to see you much more stronger in next year with new article as well!
ATM
o7
nice article cerclo o7
Voted!
V1 had good formula for strength
As you are getting stronger and stronger you were getting less and less strength points.
Pune si acolo: Euro spent 😃
congrats cerclo!
ok, let's start with some answers...
my acc is 2 and half years old...
i have Strength 9,422.96
you have 1 year old acc and have Strength 7,943.00 and rank higher than me... And i fight regulary... in few months you will get to god of war, and you will hit almost hard as me, and with your gold spending i can't match you!... Unlimited wellness packs give advantage to gold buyers and make their game expirience much more intense than i have for example... maybe you will never pass my strenght, nor will I pass Marco Polo, but it doesn't really matter, because you can hit with bazookas more than me... and i can hit more than Marco Polo or Romper when i use bazookas... Next thing, when you get to lvl 100 (you will get there much before me) you will get special mission wich gives you 10% more dmg and than you will hit higher than me... Gold buyers have big advantage already, difference between new and old players has never been smaller, and this game has balanced a lot in last few changes...
so i don't agree on reducing strength, because it just isn't fair that new player can get almost the same strength as 4 years old acc... They already took away economy skills, and now freshly born eCitizen works the same as someone who plays this for 4 years... you think this is fair? Most changes benefit new players already, and i don't think more benefits are necessary
@Sas Dragos
"zeusdinolimp is my friend!!!"
That's true Dragos and I'm proud of it...
I think like Whisky Warrior, there must be a recognition to older accounts.
I'm 53 days old but i know there's nothing to do about it.
Its part of the rules man, its part of the game.
@Whisky Warrior: who keeps this game alive?
You, or a new player who spends his money?
and if we look once again on the stats above them speak for themselves.
if in one year I made the top 100 XP, rank 170 and 154 to medaly.
if we make a simple calculation 100 +170 +154 / 3 = 141.33
This means that somewhere in the first 150 players are more active.
But not in strength and force hit.
How is it possible that a less active player like me to have such an advantage?
simple:
in the first formula, Strength was divided buy 5 while winning only 0.12 strength per day
and now when we earn 26 / day it is divided only to 10 😒
raising strength won per day does not favour to the newcomers how to understand at first sight ...
but the old ones
to take three simple redem rule. if
0.12 Strength ... / 5
26 Strength ... x
x = 26 * 5 / 0, 12 = 1083.33
Strength value in the formula be so divided at least 1000 if we want to go back on the same basis as before
Nice summary of situation and aspect of the game. Changes must be done or no new players will come into this game. Old ones are leaving due lack of fun but no new comers are here only multies for gold. Game masters must realize this quickly and to make some positive changes. I invest here monney till now and this starts to bother me coz I cannot reach the level I like to reach, cannot be constantly behind old players and fun of this game starts to drop. This is constatation of majority players who pays here. Me as player that pays cannot explain to newcomers when they will reach me or be in front of me. I play 1 year and it is impossible for player that starts to play now to be ever in front of me. This is starting point where game masters must look and change something.
Cheers
congrats cerclo for this amazing article!
That means:
from 94 FF gives by one of our example 11 393 Strength influence done is 676,210.62
and I give such shape witch the bad formula 478387,62
so I have more than 38 additional FF to reach the level of
when kept in proportion as if it was correctly
him gave 29468.7462 and i give 27490.5162
So we just catch up only 7FF
I say to bag gold
YES bag but so what? that is to bag 4x3, 9 gold = 15.6 gold every 6 hours to compensate for my money I made when miscalculation arose strength?
I do not feel right
Do not get me wrong you, respect any active player, even more than those who survived four years in a game.
but they have inherited an unfair advantage in a mode
if not switch to formula would not have had the advantage that we have today!
You are big, Sir.
why call it a game when you can just buy your position in the top? they should implement a bidding system for the first position in the international ranking. who ever bids more will get to the top. probably that would satisfy you... or maybe you would still be butthurt when romper takes first place.
this is a game, besides money you have to show some skill and dedication. I really dont understand where you're going with this, no one would stay in game this long if you created the rules 😒
v 178 s 1275 o7
"I’ll prove you now how this is not right. In most of the online games that you invest real money in, you are able to reach top 100 in, at the most, 3 months though that’s not the case in eRepublik."
http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/Republic-of-Macedonia-FYROM
~ 1 year old country, rank #4 and that's not from today. You miss the whole point, it's not about who has the best profile, this is multiplayer game, it's supposed to be "fight and contribute to your country"
You need a comment from ochireci (in Romanian). I'm sure it would be colorful.
There are, actually, not so many old fags around which are still playing. Why you want them flattened? The only thing which still is not on sale is strength. Everything else has been devalued. Like medals, damage, ranks. Leave at least something to them. Don't take it away.
When I was eyounger old fugs like RupeTot, zzZZzz, Misho, Durruti where those whom I was hopping to reach. I've surpassed some of them and I'm sad. Would like to see all of them above me.
Probably, I will retire sooner or later as well and you'll be closer to the Olympe and therefore happier...but wait, the way you play this game is suggesting quite opposite.
Whisky warrior +1
@ILoveU2
to be serious
young players of patriotism for their country fight for,
while the other emptied the country of gold, currency, companies, National org, etc
it gives the order to fight the battle somewhere to ensure quiet while they go to make a profitable BH somewhere ....
TL😉R
@oboj Let’s take another look at the previous graph
1*Q5 position 1098 ????
Strength position 1502 ????
where is the problem ?
was not a problem to go in position 100 xp, or 170 rank position or 154 medals position ... bat to strength and 1*q5 is not possible ?!!!!!
why ?
because in the formula strength was not / by 1083 like simple mathematics proves that to be done when the rule changed to Strength
Such an advantage was given to the old player of 1083 times ...
@cerclo those old players earned it by being persistent. You played 1 year, I played 2, your profile is better than mine and I was active most of the time. Be happy about that.
VTNC!
true, sad but true..
bring back strength formula from V1!
If I only could show you my posts and topics in forum while it was available. Every time I posted that issue moderators laughed at me and told me to keep training and one day I'll catch up... Then they lock topic or delete topics and posts.
I appreciate they put bazooka and candy bar feature so weak players could steal medals and free gold from tanks because strong tanks were getting 5-10g for free by food fight and they were training for free.
I'll ready comments and rest of article later to see if some moderator or strong player laughed at you.
kkk, adoro artigos de autopromoção v+
Have you seen the formula for Max Hit? Do you realize that thou you have bigger strenght every day, it contributes less in your max hit?
The part that calculates strenght in your hit value is
Strenght/10 + 40 meaning that 25 strenght you get when you just start increase your hit much more then when you get to for example 10.025 strenght. Ofc you can't catch up with older players (and that should be like that because they are here for years) but that gap between you is smaller and smaller every day...
I've played over than 1 year and I haven't reached 5k str. wanna know why? simple, I've never bought gold.