[VG] Democracy on the battlefield - possible better option
VaultGuy
Mr Rory Winterbource recently wroted an article here http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-funky-militia-democracy-on-the-battlefield-2403075/1/20. In the article he suggested that an ally of the eUK comes and wipes us to stop Vendetta importing Serbian PTO'ers into the country. I am in support of this. The Serbian problem is getting out of control and the only way to stop it is a wipe.
The issue is that a wipe will cause us to lose our bonuses which people quite like having. However, the key point of the wipe is to stop congress importing PTO'ers, so why not just get rid of congress?
My idea is this, wipe all of the UK but 3 regions; London, East of England and West Midlands to keep all weapon bonuses that the UK have, which I am guessing they're the bonuses people don't want to see go. Then around the 19th/20th (have a day or two as contingency) each month, ask our occupier to wipe the remaining regions before the 24th so that we can have no congress. Then after the congress elections, retake the regions in time for the CP elections on the 5th. Rinse and repeat until the Serbs are no longer a threat.
This would mean we would have a CP still to pass laws (of course we would need to have people trusted in power) and we have weapon bonuses for at least 2/3 of the month; I think that losing bonuses for a few days is a small price to pay to remove the Serbian threat. And we'd have chances for TP medals every month!
VaultGuy
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That's an idea...
Yeah!
To stop a potential "Serbian dictatorship" via regular Congress elections, let's disband Congress and have an even worse dictatorship right now!
I don't even...
If losing congress is your issue, then we could create a fake congress as such, where parties can elect players to represent them. Then these players can then discuss and vote laws which the CP can pass. This would keep the democracy still while removing players their rights of accepting citizens into the country.
Of course, we'd have to have a trusted citizen in power like I said above, to ensure that everyone plays fair, so Vendetta wouldn't have a CP any time soon 🙂
Idea is not entirely bad, but you forgot that beside imaginary serbian "enemies", you stilll have real enemies, who would be very happy to use the situation. Have you already forgotten invasions of France, Norway and Taiwan? Also, it's a looong term plan, with no guarantee of success, last thing any politician need is to have bonus on production.
Also, you can write-off Iron in West Midlands, there wouldn't be any contact with capitol, so, no bonus.
Ah good point, that is something I missed. But adding an extra region to the list I think wouldn't cause too much of an issue unless we also had South East of England which could open ourselves up to France IF they gain their regions back from Chile, but we'd get back a cattle resource.
Well, if you want 3 regions, why not 4, or 5? That brings you back to start, I'm afraid. :/ And, there's too many IFs, plan is far from solid.
This is not a plan, this is just an idea.
And the number of regions should be minimized so that there are less regions to loss and retake each month resulting in less hassle.
I respect your opinion, fact is that it needs further analysis from military tactician.
True, lesser regions, quicker regaining.
Serbian's are not imaginary enemies, they are in an alliance who we are against, therefore, they are real enemies. Not to mention the number in UK increase's by the day.
With the three regions we would have left, we would only have borders with Belgium and Netherlands who do not pose any threat to us. Of course there is possibility of an Airstrike, but given the result last time, I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to waste the gold and energy and I am sure we could fight it off easily if one was to occur.
So if we have a strong ally, such as Poland, take our regions, our last three regions will be quite well protected.
True, what I had in mind are Serbs with eUK citizenship. Too bad government does nothing on inviting genuine eUK-ans to the game. :/
Air strikes happen all the time, it doesn't relate too much to stupidity, especially when some country makes a run from occupation in original regions. Small and/or weak countries are perfect targets, and that would include eUK, in scenario you described.
It's nice to have strong ally, but you can't always expect from allies to clean up your mess.
I think the problem with trying to get more people to play is that the game is pretty crap 😛
It wouldn't be a mess, it would be more like a kinda deal. They help us by taking our regions, then they gain tax from us while they have those regions. This of course brings up the issue of us losing money from tax, but I am sure the eUK has plenty of spare cash to keep us a float money wise.
Anyway, if eUK wants to military resolve political situation so bad, I would suggest conquering new regions and gaining new resources. That would bring back eUK-ans who left the country and encourage newcomers.. My solution isn't best, but I would always choose a solution that makes country stronger, instead weaker.
Well, isn't that a whole point,of this game, to have more people and more fun? 🙂
I agree, territorial rental is very often. But, after two or three months of having few regions would drain any reserve, without replenishing. Not to mention how lousy eUK would look, far from "great country".
And, just a reminder, all of that is because of, maybe, a hundred of possible PTO-ers? That leaves the rest of more than 1500 citizens, so, eUK is very weak or those PTO-ers are very, very clever and, why shouldn't I say, powerful.
We're not strong enough to start conquering countries so that is out of the question.
We stopped being a great country long ago...
The UK has no where near 1500 active citizens, only around 450 citizens voted in the congress elections and around 50-100 are community active. There are around 40 odd Serbians at least in UK already and while Vendetta has congress, that number increases.
And they are quite clever and powerful. A few months back USA was under a major PTO threat which was close to being successful and they are 3 times the size of us.
you know CPs are still elected in fully wiped countries?
They don't have the power to PTO us at that level... At this point the PTO is still in its "middle stages" (winning Congress places and bringing more voters in).
'Then after the congress elections, retake the regions in time for the CP elections on the 5th' it sounded like he thought we needed land to get a CP i'm well aware of the PTO situation, PTOs are kinda my thing
I was just wrote it like that to show that we should have them returned quickly, not to have them back 20 years later etc etc
alright cool 🙂
about remaining regions : There is a mistake in your logic. There is no road between West midlands and London (or EoE)
He corrected himself, later, in discussion.
This has the potential to work, but it requires the united will of the people and an understanding that it is not going to be resolved in the short term. Keeping some regions for bonuses except at Congress elections could make this a bit less distasteful, but it also means there has to be careful coordination with the cooperating country.
So it's distasteful?
Not to me, it isn't, but it could be to other people. I was speaking in terms of the way I think people in general are likely to react.
Why would they see it as distasteful if you don't? You have a different system of values?
indeed, and maryamq's system of values is superior to anyone other system of values!!!
She acts like that for sure and so do you...
What the... Did most of backstabbers from New Era change their nicknames or what? After a complete failure of "ATO" plan you think this would work? First, you wouldn't have your weapons' bonuses. Second, this would hurt only the new players and those already struggling with the food. Third, what if some of the RWs go unplanned? Just another waste of time and resources in the making...
Young players, please join the NHS for free foo😛 http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2403048/1/20
Did you even read it? The whole point of this is to be able to remove congress and still HAVE weapon bonuses for the majority of the month. Second, as Perry has pointed out, new players have the NHS for food. And the RW's would go to plan if people pulled together to protect the UK.
And at even if in the end we did this and it failed, at least I am trying to contribute to solving the issue rather than sitting their doing nothing.
Why the hell did you even bring up name changes and New Era, what has this got to do with anything?
I also am going to point out to anyone reading this that Ser Fartsalot has done 1 billion damage for Serbia, was in Serbia before he came to UK on the 3rd of May and his CS was accept by another Serbian. So I think it is safe to assume that he is most likely apart of the Serbian PTO.
So, mr Canada potato?
You are part of a country that is an enemy to the United Kingdom therefore I do not think you should have a say or an opinion in our matters for you are an enemy.
Also I am not Canadian, I went there to meet new people and while I was there did not get involved with their politics.
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Sure, you'd like eBelgium to get free resources.
We want to colonize and enslave you. 😛
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This adaptation from rory's suggestion, has its own set of advantages and drawbacks.
Rory's idea would need a big and broad support for a long period of time with a lot of vigilance and willingness from the general public to do this.
This idea would make it easier to gather support, but it would require more monitoring and coordinating.
Unfortunately, I do not think that a majority in the eUK is willing to execute either plans, but it is important that they are discussed.
Lol,d
Ah, the default response of players who can't read.
If you want to stop the influx of Serbs, the parties that aren't bringing them in should all unite behind one or two candidates and make sure they take enough of the votes that they get all the seats in Congress. Or find a way to deport those who let the Serbs in.