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[USA] President of Sweden answers
As it seems many appear to have a lot of questions and/or presumptions regarding Sweden due to the Germany war, I’ve written this article in order to give You a better understanding of partly the war, partly Sweden itself. In this article I’ve tried to take with and answer as many common questions/misunderstandings I’ve seen while searching the world’s news.
As it truly is a long article, over 2250 words, you will have a register where you can pick and choose between what you want to read about.
Register of the article’s containt:
1. Sweden betrayed Atlantis by attacking Germany
2. What are the logical reasons for this war?
3. Background and explanations
4. Sweden’s timing is horrible!
5. Sweden has destroyed Atlantis
6. Sweden intends to invade UK after Germany
7. Sweden’s principles
1. Sweden betrayed Atlantis by attacking Germany
No, we did not betray Atlantis as Germany was not and is not a member of Atlantis at the time. Germany had 1 month trial period in Atlantis, I know that. That period expired 4/24. Since then no voting has been made to decide whether or not they should become members.
It's just the same as if you'd get a trial period on, for example, World of Warcraft. After the trial period you cannot play anymore, if you do not take measures (pay) to get a new play period. It's just the same with Germany. So no, Sweden has not betrayed Atlantis.
2. What are the logical reasons for this war?
1. Sweden's population, who have been declining for months due to boredom, will rise again as the game become more exciting for all players, no matter how much time they spend on the game. This will make Sweden stronger, and by that, also its allies.
2. Sweden will get further borders to hostile nations, which will strengthen Sweden’s and by that also its allies, position.
3. Background and explanations (Continuation of section 2 as well)
3. Germany brought this upon themselves. Sweden has, before this war, done one (1) hostile move against Germany. That was in May 2008. And even then we forced admin to give them half Germany back. 2 months later Germany had conquered Poland, and the Poles had taken over politically. Both the Poles and the Germans BEGGED Sweden to conquer it all, which we did, spending thousands of gold on it. In November we liberated them, as planned and agreed. All we demanded was Schleswig-Holstein (SH). In January Germany allied with PEACE to conquer SH and a number of still Sweden-controlled regions, temporary owned by Sweden to participate in the Atlantis operation 'Operation French Toast'. After that followed 5 months of negotiations, and Sweden was MORE than generous and kind several times, but every offer was declined by Germany. They counter-offered us SH for 5000 gold.
You must understand why my people are upset. There is no way a sovereign nation could EVER endure such ruthlessness, such arrogance and such lack of gratefulness. Sweden has always tried to help and be friendly towards Germany since June 2008, that’s 11 months if you don’t know, eRepublik has existed for 18 months. You do the math.
At last we lost our will to negotiate with Germany. We’d negotiated for 5 months. They’d declined all of our offers, which we’d spent endless hours on refining and adapting to fit both parties. But no, they declined. At last Sweden, who very much dislikes to be disrespected and played with, had to set down its foot.
At this time we had voted yes for Germany entering Atlantis on the trial period in good hope that this would repair our so tarnished relations. I have to be honest; Sweden did not take up the contact with Germany to try to negotiate again, we had internal problems that drew our attention, and Germany ended up in the shadows. But, none the less, Germany did not even attempted to re-open negotiations. Their wish was to ignore the Swedish conflict and hope that Atlantis would make it all go away.
In Sweden at the same time, the people muttered about how badly the Government had treated the Germany conflict, showed their dissatisfaction and raised their voices. I, who always had been one of the strong voices for Germany in Sweden’s congress (working for their coexistence in Sweden during the “occupation”, arguing and working for their liberation in November and after January, leading the negotiations with Germany), had run out of steam to protect and preserve Germany, and was quite pissed off at them myself, decided to listen to the people’s voice and represent them in my candidacy as president.
I succeeded; I became president of Sweden with open support from all major parties (except those bloody commies). When I came into Atlantis I instantly tried to get a voting on whether or not Germany should get a full membership in Atlantis, as their trial time had elapsed. Atlantis’ Supreme General, Shadowuks, blankly refused to put up the voting, though several members asked him to. He ignorantly said that Sweden and Germany can solve this diplomatic, as if we hadn’t tried our best for 5 months already. But, Sweden accepted his demands and opened up the negotiations once again.
At a point it was going quite well, Germany and Sweden seemed to have reached an agreement that would suit both parties. This was when I received intelligence regarding words from Germany’s negotiation leader. I won’t say his name. Let me quote what I got to hear, just as we seemed to have reached an agreement:
“As for X, I find it more likely than not that Sweden is actually going to get a bloody nose and after a few weeks retreats in ignominy, like the hopelessly declining power that they are. This is their last chance to make a big splash. Let them. I shall enjoy watching them fritter away their last gold.
If our proposal is accepted and X attack Y, we should sit on the sidelines and observe how things unfold. Then we can jump in on an opportune moment and get a piece of the action.”
Disappointed, enraged, ashamed and firmly Sweden pulled out of negotiations and stated that Sweden would leave Atlantis if Germany ever joined Atlantis. Diplomacy was over.
Could any of you truly blame us for not being willing to have Germany as our brother in arms, a friend you’d have to rely on to stay safe yourself. Picture yourself in our situation. Would you have tolerated all shit Sweden ever received from Germany?
No, I think not. Not when it really comes down to it. It’s easy to sit and say “I wouldn’t have done that! I would have done this and that!”, but when you really are in the situation, you’ll find that it was not a possibility, not ever.
I’d like to ask everyone who says that Sweden (or me) acts like “a childish, spoilt boy” to really take this into consideration before you really judge us. Please do that, or don’t say anything at all, I kindly beg you.
4. Sweden’s timing is horrible!
This I can agree to. Last week Atlantis took a devastating hit while it lost all of the battles for the crucial regions to PEACE GC. I understand that you think that we should focus fully on fighting PEACE GC rather than fighting ourselves through the Germany-Sweden war. I understand that point, I really do.
But, I personally find it useless to fight against cheaters. The battle of WSR, ESR, Podolia and all there was, was all lost due to cheating. Atlantis stronghold, Romania, was ripped apart by cheaters, and in my humble opinion: Why should we try to fight them during these circumstances? If there is no chance of winning, if there is no game, then why should we fight?
No, I personally won’t fight PEACE until the exploits have been fully fixed, for now and forever, and the guilty have been banned along with all cheat belongings removed. As this is, well, let’s just say, “a big project”, I find it OK to focus on other things meantime. For Sweden’s sake that would be to for once and for all take care of Germany, due to reasons you find described in section 3.
Apparently, my congress thinks like me, since they’ve agreed on dealing with Germany now. So, for all Sweden care, this is a perfect time to take care of domestic matters, until we can proceed with the global wars as they should be fought: without cheats; faire and square.
5. Sweden has destroyed Atlantis
I find this assertion to be both annoying and pathetic. Sweden is called responsible of the collapse of Atlantis. This for starting war against Germany, making the members pick a side. First of all I’d like to make one thing very clear: Atlantis’ moral took a huge hit after the losses last week, affecting nearly all active playing citizens of the New World. Romania officially surrendered as they refuse to fight cheaters. The moral is weakened even more. The members of Atlantis becomes worried about their safety, and they try to find someone to blame, someone to unleash their aggressions on, a psychological defense mechanism called displacement (you unconsciously take out your anger on someone who didn’t cause the anger). Romania has been blamed for causing the dissolution of Atlantis by surrender. I believe that is wrong. I wouldn’t want to play a game where you constantly fight against unbeatable cheaters. Sweden has been blamed for causing the dissolution of Atlantis by putting pressure on the members to pick a side.
First of all, all Sweden ever demanded was that you remained neutral, if you were uncertain what to do. We never said: “It’s friendship with us or them, chose!” We said: “We will punish Germany for their deeds against us now, please let us do this and stay out of our way.”
Secondly, I believe that an alliance should contain of friends, friends who are willing to fight for each other to the last drop of blood, no matter what. A true friend wouldn’t have to chose side, it’d be done automatically, without any questions. A true alliance can resist all the pressure in the world without stumble. Here Atlantis was put under a little pressure, and it all started to fall apart instantly, showing the real unity of the alliance, how weak the alliance really was.
If an alliance can’t stand the pressure and live up to these criterions, it is doomed to collapse sooner or later. Atlantis has experienced how weak its foundations are. But we haven’t collapsed yet. There is still time to repair this, to fix this. If we fix this now we’ll walk out stronger than ever, we’ll be The Dream Team with infinite unity. It is not to late just yet. The last you should do is to let the frustration that’s smoldering inside of us all out on your friend. You can either calm down and let the fire of aggression die by itself, either channel the aggression towards our enemies with renewed power, or you will see that our great alliance fall apart, due to frustrations caused by the cheaters that destroy this game so badly for all of us.
6. Sweden intends to invade UK after Germany
I’m sorry to disappoint you, but this is a false statement. Despite that we Swedes are Pure Awesome, we do have limits. Facing an opponent almost 4 times as many as us is just a liiiiittle too much, even for the strongest, most brutal Viking.
Sweden considers UK a good ally and friend. We’ve never been too close, but we’ve never had any hostilities between our two nations either. When needed, Sweden and UK has always been able to cooperate and discuss as equals to solve the problem we’re facing, may it be PEACE GC or who’s having the first beer after kicking the just stated’s ass. To be honest I’ve actually come to like UK’s president, after spending many hours chatting with each other, discussing the current situation.
So to conclude it all; Sweden will not invade UK. You can relax now, there will be no bloodthirsty, mad berserk Vikings roaming London’s streets in the nearest future. You may have to guard your president a little extra, or she might be kidnapped by a Viking ship while swimming over the Thames in haste, on her run from angry congressmen.
7. Sweden’s principles
Sweden is a nation who plays honest, by the rules and is always open in their opinion or intentions. We respect our friends, our enemies and every neutral country – if they respect us. Sweden is in general very tolerant, though we will not accept any offence without retaliation. If a nation takes disregard or insolence Sweden, we will remember it and avenge when possible, be it next week or a year in time. The same goes for everybody who respects and assists Sweden; we will repay you when possible.
We are very aware of the game mechanics, and we know how to best utilize them after each and every situation. Because of this there’s no coincidence that Sweden has eRepublik’s most efficient army.
Sweden is either a great, well-desirable ally who full-hearted supports its friends to the very end, either a respected, ruthless enemy who with tactics, strength and cunning takes down its opponent.
Thank you for reading
Kalle Holm
President of Sweden
As it truly is a long article, over 2250 words, you will have a register where you can pick and choose between what you want to read about.
Register of the article’s containt:
1. Sweden betrayed Atlantis by attacking Germany
2. What are the logical reasons for this war?
3. Background and explanations
4. Sweden’s timing is horrible!
5. Sweden has destroyed Atlantis
6. Sweden intends to invade UK after Germany
7. Sweden’s principles
1. Sweden betrayed Atlantis by attacking Germany
No, we did not betray Atlantis as Germany was not and is not a member of Atlantis at the time. Germany had 1 month trial period in Atlantis, I know that. That period expired 4/24. Since then no voting has been made to decide whether or not they should become members.
It's just the same as if you'd get a trial period on, for example, World of Warcraft. After the trial period you cannot play anymore, if you do not take measures (pay) to get a new play period. It's just the same with Germany. So no, Sweden has not betrayed Atlantis.
2. What are the logical reasons for this war?
1. Sweden's population, who have been declining for months due to boredom, will rise again as the game become more exciting for all players, no matter how much time they spend on the game. This will make Sweden stronger, and by that, also its allies.
2. Sweden will get further borders to hostile nations, which will strengthen Sweden’s and by that also its allies, position.
3. Background and explanations (Continuation of section 2 as well)
3. Germany brought this upon themselves. Sweden has, before this war, done one (1) hostile move against Germany. That was in May 2008. And even then we forced admin to give them half Germany back. 2 months later Germany had conquered Poland, and the Poles had taken over politically. Both the Poles and the Germans BEGGED Sweden to conquer it all, which we did, spending thousands of gold on it. In November we liberated them, as planned and agreed. All we demanded was Schleswig-Holstein (SH). In January Germany allied with PEACE to conquer SH and a number of still Sweden-controlled regions, temporary owned by Sweden to participate in the Atlantis operation 'Operation French Toast'. After that followed 5 months of negotiations, and Sweden was MORE than generous and kind several times, but every offer was declined by Germany. They counter-offered us SH for 5000 gold.
You must understand why my people are upset. There is no way a sovereign nation could EVER endure such ruthlessness, such arrogance and such lack of gratefulness. Sweden has always tried to help and be friendly towards Germany since June 2008, that’s 11 months if you don’t know, eRepublik has existed for 18 months. You do the math.
At last we lost our will to negotiate with Germany. We’d negotiated for 5 months. They’d declined all of our offers, which we’d spent endless hours on refining and adapting to fit both parties. But no, they declined. At last Sweden, who very much dislikes to be disrespected and played with, had to set down its foot.
At this time we had voted yes for Germany entering Atlantis on the trial period in good hope that this would repair our so tarnished relations. I have to be honest; Sweden did not take up the contact with Germany to try to negotiate again, we had internal problems that drew our attention, and Germany ended up in the shadows. But, none the less, Germany did not even attempted to re-open negotiations. Their wish was to ignore the Swedish conflict and hope that Atlantis would make it all go away.
In Sweden at the same time, the people muttered about how badly the Government had treated the Germany conflict, showed their dissatisfaction and raised their voices. I, who always had been one of the strong voices for Germany in Sweden’s congress (working for their coexistence in Sweden during the “occupation”, arguing and working for their liberation in November and after January, leading the negotiations with Germany), had run out of steam to protect and preserve Germany, and was quite pissed off at them myself, decided to listen to the people’s voice and represent them in my candidacy as president.
I succeeded; I became president of Sweden with open support from all major parties (except those bloody commies). When I came into Atlantis I instantly tried to get a voting on whether or not Germany should get a full membership in Atlantis, as their trial time had elapsed. Atlantis’ Supreme General, Shadowuks, blankly refused to put up the voting, though several members asked him to. He ignorantly said that Sweden and Germany can solve this diplomatic, as if we hadn’t tried our best for 5 months already. But, Sweden accepted his demands and opened up the negotiations once again.
At a point it was going quite well, Germany and Sweden seemed to have reached an agreement that would suit both parties. This was when I received intelligence regarding words from Germany’s negotiation leader. I won’t say his name. Let me quote what I got to hear, just as we seemed to have reached an agreement:
“As for X, I find it more likely than not that Sweden is actually going to get a bloody nose and after a few weeks retreats in ignominy, like the hopelessly declining power that they are. This is their last chance to make a big splash. Let them. I shall enjoy watching them fritter away their last gold.
If our proposal is accepted and X attack Y, we should sit on the sidelines and observe how things unfold. Then we can jump in on an opportune moment and get a piece of the action.”
Disappointed, enraged, ashamed and firmly Sweden pulled out of negotiations and stated that Sweden would leave Atlantis if Germany ever joined Atlantis. Diplomacy was over.
Could any of you truly blame us for not being willing to have Germany as our brother in arms, a friend you’d have to rely on to stay safe yourself. Picture yourself in our situation. Would you have tolerated all shit Sweden ever received from Germany?
No, I think not. Not when it really comes down to it. It’s easy to sit and say “I wouldn’t have done that! I would have done this and that!”, but when you really are in the situation, you’ll find that it was not a possibility, not ever.
I’d like to ask everyone who says that Sweden (or me) acts like “a childish, spoilt boy” to really take this into consideration before you really judge us. Please do that, or don’t say anything at all, I kindly beg you.
4. Sweden’s timing is horrible!
This I can agree to. Last week Atlantis took a devastating hit while it lost all of the battles for the crucial regions to PEACE GC. I understand that you think that we should focus fully on fighting PEACE GC rather than fighting ourselves through the Germany-Sweden war. I understand that point, I really do.
But, I personally find it useless to fight against cheaters. The battle of WSR, ESR, Podolia and all there was, was all lost due to cheating. Atlantis stronghold, Romania, was ripped apart by cheaters, and in my humble opinion: Why should we try to fight them during these circumstances? If there is no chance of winning, if there is no game, then why should we fight?
No, I personally won’t fight PEACE until the exploits have been fully fixed, for now and forever, and the guilty have been banned along with all cheat belongings removed. As this is, well, let’s just say, “a big project”, I find it OK to focus on other things meantime. For Sweden’s sake that would be to for once and for all take care of Germany, due to reasons you find described in section 3.
Apparently, my congress thinks like me, since they’ve agreed on dealing with Germany now. So, for all Sweden care, this is a perfect time to take care of domestic matters, until we can proceed with the global wars as they should be fought: without cheats; faire and square.
5. Sweden has destroyed Atlantis
I find this assertion to be both annoying and pathetic. Sweden is called responsible of the collapse of Atlantis. This for starting war against Germany, making the members pick a side. First of all I’d like to make one thing very clear: Atlantis’ moral took a huge hit after the losses last week, affecting nearly all active playing citizens of the New World. Romania officially surrendered as they refuse to fight cheaters. The moral is weakened even more. The members of Atlantis becomes worried about their safety, and they try to find someone to blame, someone to unleash their aggressions on, a psychological defense mechanism called displacement (you unconsciously take out your anger on someone who didn’t cause the anger). Romania has been blamed for causing the dissolution of Atlantis by surrender. I believe that is wrong. I wouldn’t want to play a game where you constantly fight against unbeatable cheaters. Sweden has been blamed for causing the dissolution of Atlantis by putting pressure on the members to pick a side.
First of all, all Sweden ever demanded was that you remained neutral, if you were uncertain what to do. We never said: “It’s friendship with us or them, chose!” We said: “We will punish Germany for their deeds against us now, please let us do this and stay out of our way.”
Secondly, I believe that an alliance should contain of friends, friends who are willing to fight for each other to the last drop of blood, no matter what. A true friend wouldn’t have to chose side, it’d be done automatically, without any questions. A true alliance can resist all the pressure in the world without stumble. Here Atlantis was put under a little pressure, and it all started to fall apart instantly, showing the real unity of the alliance, how weak the alliance really was.
If an alliance can’t stand the pressure and live up to these criterions, it is doomed to collapse sooner or later. Atlantis has experienced how weak its foundations are. But we haven’t collapsed yet. There is still time to repair this, to fix this. If we fix this now we’ll walk out stronger than ever, we’ll be The Dream Team with infinite unity. It is not to late just yet. The last you should do is to let the frustration that’s smoldering inside of us all out on your friend. You can either calm down and let the fire of aggression die by itself, either channel the aggression towards our enemies with renewed power, or you will see that our great alliance fall apart, due to frustrations caused by the cheaters that destroy this game so badly for all of us.
6. Sweden intends to invade UK after Germany
I’m sorry to disappoint you, but this is a false statement. Despite that we Swedes are Pure Awesome, we do have limits. Facing an opponent almost 4 times as many as us is just a liiiiittle too much, even for the strongest, most brutal Viking.
Sweden considers UK a good ally and friend. We’ve never been too close, but we’ve never had any hostilities between our two nations either. When needed, Sweden and UK has always been able to cooperate and discuss as equals to solve the problem we’re facing, may it be PEACE GC or who’s having the first beer after kicking the just stated’s ass. To be honest I’ve actually come to like UK’s president, after spending many hours chatting with each other, discussing the current situation.
So to conclude it all; Sweden will not invade UK. You can relax now, there will be no bloodthirsty, mad berserk Vikings roaming London’s streets in the nearest future. You may have to guard your president a little extra, or she might be kidnapped by a Viking ship while swimming over the Thames in haste, on her run from angry congressmen.
7. Sweden’s principles
Sweden is a nation who plays honest, by the rules and is always open in their opinion or intentions. We respect our friends, our enemies and every neutral country – if they respect us. Sweden is in general very tolerant, though we will not accept any offence without retaliation. If a nation takes disregard or insolence Sweden, we will remember it and avenge when possible, be it next week or a year in time. The same goes for everybody who respects and assists Sweden; we will repay you when possible.
We are very aware of the game mechanics, and we know how to best utilize them after each and every situation. Because of this there’s no coincidence that Sweden has eRepublik’s most efficient army.
Sweden is either a great, well-desirable ally who full-hearted supports its friends to the very end, either a respected, ruthless enemy who with tactics, strength and cunning takes down its opponent.
Thank you for reading
Kalle Holm
President of Sweden
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Voted.
About time someone stated the truth.
I dont have much to say other than I cant vote for your article and I am glad I am one of the first which is awsome!!! my reason I like both Sweden and Germany
Like it or not you did betray Germany.
We were promised Atlantis membership by Sweden in exchange for us paying off a debt.
Despite us making payments on that debt you attacked anyway.
Cite all the legal reasoning you want about the trial membership, it is a betrayal on moral grounds.
-Elisa Vorimberg
german minister of foreign affairs
I love how boredom is a reason for attacking Germany. What a joke.
Not just a reason, a "logical reason"
-Elisa Vorimberg
german minister of foreign affairs
At least this gives us an idea of where Sweden is coming from.
Kalle, I applaud your efforts to at least come out and state, fully, the reasoning--whether it was logical or not is up to debate. I'm just glad it's out there.
No, boredom is not the reason Tyler, the reason is that there comes a time when you can no longer tolerate a child who lies, cheats, and steals, there comes a time when you just have to take that child over your knee and teach it honesty and honor. The eGermans are the scum of the New World and until they can honor their treaties they will forever be nothing more than scum.
I really don't care about this Atlantis mumbo-jumbo, though eGermany is NOT an Atlantis member anymore, what I care about is eGermany manning up and taking responsibility for their actions and for the treaties that they have signed.
Ewwwww. I'm glad I understand your side now. Well, more than I did... boredom? Seriously?!
Boredom IS listed as the #1 reason:
"Sweden's population, who have been declining for months due to boredom, will rise again as the game become more exciting for all players, no matter how much time they spend on the game. This will make Sweden stronger, and by that, also its allies."
The number one reason is full disclosure, it states why Kalle Holm declared war, not why the Swedish congress and people did, for that you need to see reason number 3.
Honestly Kalle, your not doing yourself any favors with the way that you chunked this out. Didn't you know that Americans only skim to the juicy parts? Imagine them sticking around for educational parts; the very idea is ludicrous!
@Freeman Enterprises
If you comment with an org you lose all credibility.
You are using a mask so that you can make absurd and untrue claims.
"@Freeman Enterprises
If you comment with an org you lose all credibility.
You are using a mask so that you can make absurd and untrue claims." - Elisa Vorimberg
Happy now?
Yes, very happy.
Now we can all see that you are getting your claims from Swedish propaganda. Germany never lied or cheated.
You have not been a citizen of Germany or Sweden, I question where you get your one-sided information.
-Elisa Vorimberg
german minister of foreign affairs
Research. I see eGerman loyalties flopping around like a fish on land. I see at least one treaty between eGermany and eSweden that eGermany broke. I'm given to understand that there are other treaties broken as well, although because I haven't been able to hunt down the exact text of the other treaties I wont argue those points too strenuously.
Elisa Vorimberg,
Funny how you do not ask that question to people supporting eGermany?
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@Freeman Enterprises: "No, boredom is not the reason Tyler..."
Erm...read Section 2, Paragraph 1.
Boredom is a reason, not THE reason.
Sweden has given military and financial support to all ATLANTIS members. During Germanys trial period they had no contact with Sweden whatsoever, instead they tried to negotiate peace with PEACE nations to avoid any hostilities whatsoever. Sweden has a long history of fighting wars. War brings prosperity in erepublik and ATLANTIS does not need another member who contributes nothing.
If the US doesn't want to be allies with Sweden anymore then good riddance. You backed out of French toast and impeached your president. You backed out of Mexico, after sweden lent you 1000 gold to fund the battles and sent tanks to help you. Oh, and you impeached your president. How is russia going?
Honestly, USA could be an awesome country if they could just stick with something long enough. Instead you play like a bunch of noobs and take the safe path. You have the biggest population of the world. You could be a powerfull nation.
@Algaroth
That is an outright lie, Germany never made any negotiations with PEACE during our trial period.
Our armies were always fighting for Atlantis as loyal members. It is very insulting that you would say otherwise.
It is not a lie. We have it on good authority that you were negotiating an NAP with France. Why would we want a member of ATLANTIS who borders only "friends". How was ATLANTIS supposed to fight PEACE by negotiating non-agression pacts?
eSweden is slowly dying. Even myself just being 3 months have noticed that. This war is therefore cruical for the survival of eSweden.
Heck I think we even do eGermany a favor by attacking them! I have never seen German media so active, the past days I have been reading lots of funny propaganda and well written information! If war brings out the worst out of people IRL it brings out the best of them here in Erep.
If we succeed with getting people back (and ofc new people) in this game it will not matter if we lose this war or not.
I hope (and think) that this episode in Erep history will gain both Sweden AND Germany in the long run.
Classy, Algaroth. The simple fact is, most of us Americans have no problem with Sweden. However, when a nation, like Sweden, decides to attack another of our allies (trial run or not), many of us feel as though we are obliged to honor our MPP. There was no honorable reason for Sweden to attack Germany, especially not when there are/were other battles to be fought elsewhere. You chose not to give Germany a chance and that was a decision made without your allies.
@Algaroth
I'm looking at my government's records right now. There is no mention of any NAP with France, and there certainly were no off-record talks about it while I have been in office.
You are mistaken.
"here was no honorable reason for Sweden to attack Germany"
You must be joking!? If not then I ask to you reread the text and think how you would act and feel if someone treated you as the Germans treated us.
Our allies decided to break the ATLANTIS treaty. Not us.
Also, honour? What honorable reason did america have to attack canada?
You have no idea the crap Sweden and Germany have been through. This goes back long before ATLANTIS and the only way you'll know the whole truth is if you were actually there.
This is between Germany and Sweden.
Elisa: Can you find any government records where you planned Operation Burning Spirit? I doubt it.
@Algaroth
From that statement, I think the true story is probably that Justin Tyme talked to France about an NAP without the permission of the real government.
He has done that in the past a few times, I assure you he has no political power.
Justin Tyme didn't plan OBS alone. I don't buy that.
But he was involved! I knew it!
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Justin Tyme has been convicted of high treason against Germany after fighting against Germany in the Austrian resistance wars.
He did it because he is more loyal to PEACE than he is to Germany.
I know he was involved. I was there. I also know he wasn't alone.
@Algaroth
Who was involved with him? DKN? Isy?
These people don't have political power right now. But they sure like to pretend they do and create diplomatic problems for us.
If the actual German government made an effort to maintain diplomatic ties and do some damage control maybe this could've been avoided.
Voted and agreed. eGermany is pathetic. They have to lie about the past. Then when they can not do that anymore they talk about how they have a new honest government. Yet that is all it is.. talk. They will not negotiate seriously and flood the US media with propaganda for their side. Go away Germany you are cry-baby liars and should not be supported by anyone.
@Algaroth
Forgive me if this detail didn't come up in my negotiations with Sweden (I was a little pre-occupied dealing with your threats).
Quite frankly I think it is your fault that you are not able to differentiate between members of Germany's government.
It is your duty to figure out if something like that is legitimate before using it as an accusation.
I am not aware of everything that they have done, it's just logistically impossible, I have to trust you to have some common sense.
-Elisa Vorimberg
german minister of foreign affairs
@Xenodochium
You aren't even a month old. How dare you tell me that we have lied about Germany's past!?
And Elisa, you're three and a half months old. Don't throw rocks in a glasshouse.
Elisa: I am not in congress nor president anymore, so I don't have all the details regarding the negotiations after I left office. But I've been involved in Swedish politics for over a year, and dealing with Germany has always been difficult, save for a select few.
Also, it is the responsibility of the current government to right the wrongs of the past administration. You can't just claim things never happened by replacing the people in charge.
"Both the Poles and the Germans BEGGED Sweden to conquer it all, which we did, spending thousands of gold on it."
Oh you poor people of Sweden, i bet you hated being forced into that.
@Algaroth, Did you know that within 3 days of Starkad's election he started payments of debts? Guess not. Swedish-German relations have always been low, but we haven't been trying to destroy them.
We have not tried to make peace with PEACE nations and we have never attempted NAPs. I will tell you that there were a few times where it was proposed to us and we shot it down, this proposal coming from a few PEACE nations. We have shown nothing but loyalty to Atlantis until it's death.
It's true though, the current administration is still reponsible for certain things of a previous one, but not everything. Regardless, we have excelled past previous administrations, yet it was never good enough for Sweden, Karl used a horrible excuse and knew what buttons to push. Now we are at war and that's that.
NO! LIES!
Voice of Atlantis says you killed it
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-farewell-to-arms--806479/1/all" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-fa[..]/all</a>
Swedes will for ever be remembered as the killers of Atlantis, Maybe you should have grown up before you tried to play.
Guess this is our payback for all months of loyalty to Atlantis which we gain nothing of.
Beside, a more false and backstabbing country than Germany in eRepublik is hard to find. (Nothing against Germans IRL)
>You backed out of French toast and impeached your president.
Incorrect. Uncle Sam was the only president that we've ever impeached.
If you want to talk about helping allies, and then bring up French Toast, then let's talk about Argentina. As I recall, Argentina was being invaded, and instead of sending them reinforcements, you pushed into France because you wanted that high wood region. Nobody gave Argentina a competent amount of support, because you convinced them that you could take that high wood region. You never got that high wood region, Sweden, and we lost an ally. You love to bring up the time that you sent us money, but what about when an ally of ours really needed our help? I can't forget our past mistakes, and I, for one, am going to push as hard as I can for America to help their allies when they really need us. When they're under a real threat, not just greedy again. I don't mind supporting my allies when they want to invade, but I won't support you invading another ally of ours. If only you could learn to think about others, we wouldn't be in this mess. Once again, Swedish greed has screwed over their allies.
>I see at least one treaty between eGermany and eSweden that eGermany broke
You must be talking about the time when Popolo(I think that was his name), a Polish rebel, won the presidency in Poland and screwed Germany over. And we all know that Popolo was working closely with Finnbar. So really, Sweden and Poland broke that treaty and framed Germany.
>They have to lie about the past.
You must be joking. See above and tell me who lies about the past.
>They will not negotiate seriously and flood the US media with propaganda for their side.
Have you seen the American media recently? There are Swedish people outright insulting America here. Clearly, Sweden has worse propaganda than Germany.
For all of you out there saying that we need to support Germany because we need to support our allies, technically Sweden has been an ally longer and has done alot more for eUSA, so technically we should be helping them instead of keeping our MPP with Germany.
Now with Sweden saying that we are bad allys and that we did this then and that there is a load of crap. No ally ether us or Sweden can do EVERYTHING. When we decide to help someone we are called liberators, godsends, and heros. If we deside to stay out of a conflict we are called wusses, people say that we never help anyone, or were just scared of losing. The point here is that both Sweden and the US will always take crap for doing something. We are countries that for some reason are expected to do EVERYTHING right and nothing wrong. We are expected to go half way across the world and help that one tiny little country and expect nothing in return. But as soon as we go against the worlds wishes we are the bad guys.
And as far as I am concerned Sweden did nothing wrong. They got Germany into a one month trial run in Atlantis and germany started paying off there debt. Technically Germany should have been paying off there debt anyway. In the real world we don't go to china and say hey if you get us trade agreement is other asia countries then we will start paying our debt to you. If you ow someone money you pay them that money. Besides It's not swedens fault that you didn't make it past your one month trial membership. You should have talked and tried to keep it. And they didn't attack you until after your one month trial period was up. All I see here is a Lieing Germany trying to say none of this stuff ever happened and that they're the good guys, while most of the world knows that they're not.
I was for Sweden!Szop this "PEACE cheated" thing.If You can't loose,You are a looser already.
Let the truth be known
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-farewell-to-arms1-806476/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-fa[..]1/20</a>
In Atlantis dieing words it calls Sweden childish, and point to them as the killers of Atlantis.
Kill a swede in memory of Atlantis
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show/6549" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show[..]6549</a>
eUSA you can fight from home and put these children in time out, and gain wellness and xp in the process.
voted.
I sided with the Swedes in the first place.
Thank you, Kalle, for taking the time to set the record straight.
"That period expired 4/24. Since then no voting has been made to decide whether or not they should become members."
You should have waited for the vote first. First you vote to decide if they're in the alliance, then you attack if they're not, or don't if they are.
It doesn't make sense to attack a country when a vote is about to be held to possibly enter them into the alliance.
What you did is like having the execution before the trial.
Concerning the Swedish claim to rightfully own Schleswig-Holstein:
1.) Yes, you invaded us and then offered to partially lift the burden of oppression, just keeping SH. If you force someone to sign a contract by holding a loaded gun to his head, this hardly qualifies as an "agreement".
2.) When we discussed joining Atlantis, you agreed to let us keep SH. That was the latest deal. Claiming that SH is rightfully yours is like claiming that Italy should own all French territories because the Roman Empire has passed laws about Gallia being a Roman province.
o think the war is irrelevent in the eusa at the moment anyway but u did show honesty so gl to both countries and let the best man win
So you attacked Germany cause you guys were bored?? Don't get me wrong. That's all fine and stuff but WTF with the World of Warcraft reference ??!!? Now all I think about when I ponder Sweden is a bunch of 25th level Douche Bags who's weapon of choice is insistant bitching. No one cares about why you did what you did! Just shut your manpleaser and move along.
Boredom eh? Well as long as your honest Im cool with that.
Thanks for setting things straight.
Your #1 point in this article is incorrect. You did betray ATLANTIS, even though Germany was not officially made a member. Any country who is willing to come to our aid and join us in alliance is potentially useful and valuable, and you denied us that. In the moment when Romania pulled out and abandoned all of us, we could have used another ally, even one that might be untrustworthy coming from PEACE... But Sweden seemed too vengeful and eager for German land to think that through.
I'm personally neutral in the conflict and don't agree with either side, but Sweden was very selfish in doing this at this particular moment, especially when the alliance was weakened.
Good article: I can definitely understand why Sweden felt compelled to invade Germany. You have to make the game fun somehow right? Of course, the admins should probably look into this issue since the game is not nearly as fun when global relationships come down to boredom..
And yes, you did betray Germany. Maybe not "legally", but I think most people agree that you broke your word. If boredom is your true and just motivation, fine, but please do not pretend like you are being fair and decent. You deserve the public outcry against your actions.
eGermany never lied cheated or stole. At worst they mearly backedout of one agreement making them untrustworthy to you. They may have been in limbo when you attacked as far as membership but they where actively waiting on the vote and still providing aid to the alliance. With RW's going on the bordom reason is completely wrong, and I find it highly unlikely that the hostile messages you recieved where in no way provoked. Both sides have valid points but this is more about eSwedens vengence than anything else, even though they where paying you back. So I guess that makes you as much of a bretrayer as eGermany. With that being done you should be able to back off once you have the h grain region. There really isnt a need to complete conquest as they clearly cant beat you alone, and if PEACE tried to aid them again they would lose all simpathy from ATLANTIS.
@Algaroth You don't know dick about the US. If you did, than you would know that only 10% of the population are actually active. The other 90% are dead or dying.
Kalle laid it out right there. The #1 reason Sweden went to war with Germany was boredom. He quoted some grand insult, but shows no sources - that makes that reason completely irrelavent since it's hearsay. The US will not get involved in a war for lulz, we did that in Mexico, and learned our lesson.
What would the US gain out of fighting for Sweden? Nothing, so again, we arent fighting wars for lulz.
You said it yourself, "This is between Germany and Sweden." So STFU and leave the US out of it!!! I hope you overextend yourselves and wake up one morning with France, Italy, and Hungary declaring war on you and pwning the hell out of your lulz war.